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Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Sep-08-2005 04:41:

Sven Goran Eriksson must go

Sorry, but he's had his chance I think as England manager. There is no doubt this team has talent...why does it never surface? I'm wondering if maybe they tanked this game in rebellion to Sven?

his stupid 4-5-1 and diamond formations are not working...the left side is still a problem. He keeps playing Beckham over S.W. Phillips and openly declaring his loyalty to players like Rio Ferdiand who looks completely lost out there lately...same with Michael Owen.

The last three England performances have been terrible and embarrassing. If they play like this in October, they don't deserve to go to Germany.

Thoughts?


Posted by xxxtasy on Sep-08-2005 06:28:

I thought the cocensus among the pundits are that the midfield wasn't dominant at all, i.e. Gerrard and Lampard.

Beckham was energitic and made some good long passes, Rooney was left stranded at the left without the needed midfield help, Owen was outnumbered at the front.

Now only if the midfield improves and start holding to the ball longer.

The funny thing is a pundit at soccernet.com lauded Sven's bold tactics at trying out the new 4-5-1 formation, as Sven says, the players are playing at the same position they play at club level, the formation whether it is 4-4-2, 4-5-1, or 4-4-3 wasn't the problem, that's what he said.

Lampard and Gerrard had been relatively silent. If there is a revolt, the manager should deal with it, out-of-form players should be benched.


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Sep-08-2005 06:35:

Well managers often take the blame for this sort of thing though...it comes with the territory. If the players are not responding to him, it's easier to remove one man than the whole starting XI right? I guess Sven deserves to right the ship in the next two games against Austria and Poland. But he's presided over two international tournaments and only reached the QF in each. Most international managers last one tourney and then they're out.

It might be time for a new approach...his contract is quite ridiculous after all.


Posted by gatecrasher on Sep-08-2005 11:07:

Who needs Ronaldinho when u have David Healy


Posted by Chang monkey on Sep-08-2005 12:29:

eriksonn is a fuking nuisance,. he hasnt got a clue. bring in curbishly or mclaren


Posted by sleepydragon on Sep-08-2005 15:27:

haha the f.a are never gonna sack sven they r gonna have to pay him the remainder of his contract if hes sacked im sure he has a 2 year contract on �4 million a year.
Sven is sitting pretty right now he either stays in his over paid job or gets sacked and get a �8million pay off.


Posted by RubiK Cube on Sep-08-2005 15:34:

Eriksson wont be sacked, the Fa will wait for him to resign after the world cup (or the WC play-offs if we fail to qualify).

When Sven took over it was good for the national team as he didnt carry any baggage or have any favourites like the previous managers did. The problem is he soon found them and refused to drop players when they were out of form. Beckham was the prime example of this a couple of years ago. Its the same now with Gerrard/Lampard. He wants to fit all his favourite/best players into the starting 11 but it completely unbalances the team. Rooney out on the wide left is the most criminal waste of a player ever!


Posted by OLi_A on Sep-08-2005 15:40:

like the time australia beat england 3-1
meow bitches haha


Posted by MeRc_4_HiRe on Sep-09-2005 06:38:

hahah i remember that when the aussie's beat the english 3-1


btw sven couldn't even coach chelsea if he was manager, even with all the great players and money.

ps. im a manchester united supporter and i say that


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Sep-09-2005 07:02:

Well, I still say, depending on how England perform against Austria or Poland, those two games should be Sven's last chance in this period of tension. I hope (and predict) this will serve as a wakeup call in the dressing room and they'll play well in October and probably qualify.

But it still seems as if he's run out of ideas and England's performance has become worse over time, not better. Where's the fire that swept them to a 5-1 victory over Germany in 2001? There's much more talent on this current roster!


Posted by xxxtasy on Sep-09-2005 11:17:

This should be a good read for you.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/column...orldcup&cc=4716


If it is true that the midfield trio cajoled Sven for the 4-5-1 formation, and hence Rooney in an akward position, it is a pity.


Posted by Soeder on Sep-09-2005 14:21:

it's awfull that he use Owen over Defoe


Posted by Vyper0987 on Sep-09-2005 15:29:

my opinion...play the talent and not the names. the netherlands is a prime example. their new coach plays the best players at the moment, not the biggest names. they're kicking ass with the dutch league young guns and without players like seedorf, davids, kluivert, etc.

if sven would wise up, he'd start playing the best performers in games instead of stockpiling underachieving big names in the lineup.


Posted by zoric on Sep-09-2005 20:55:

England really sucks bigtime, They lost against Northern Ireland. It's the bloody players fault, Not this man's..


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Sep-09-2005 22:23:

quote:
Originally posted by xxxtasy
This should be a good read for you.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/column...orldcup&cc=4716


If it is true that the midfield trio cajoled Sven for the 4-5-1 formation, and hence Rooney in an akward position, it is a pity.


That was a good read, thank you. I wouldn't put it past those players lobbying Sven for that formation. They probably thought "hey, it's Northern Ireland, we wont' lose to them in a million years so let's have everybody get to play". Selfishness. Playing for England is supposed to be the height of any player's dreams. If Lampard, Beckham and Gerrard are so selfish as to put themselves over the team, then they need to be disciplined. But Sven's got his faves as everyone says...which is why he needs to be sacked now and the FA can start over with a new tactically minded manager.

and by any player's dream, I mean playing for one's country.


Posted by irishclubbing on Sep-09-2005 22:36:

marvelous !


Posted by Alexander_DE on Sep-15-2005 10:02:

I think Eriksson is not the problem in this qualifying round. I think you should look at the players, because with a national team with so many superstar players the coach doesn't really carry the responsibility no more.

Anyway, we have always seen that England always get nervous in the important games, no matter which coach was doing the job (from 1990 - up to now).

I think England will make it. They should keep their nerves.


Posted by Matty V on Sep-18-2005 01:14:

Sven is too defensive minded and doesnt have the balls to try all out attack. If we're chasing the game he'd rather make sure we prevent the other team scoring and hoping to nick a goal from somewhere instead of going for it. This type of tactic doesnt win you games.

However most of our players on the pitch dont help either. We have players who can pick the game up by the scruff of the neck but they just dont seem willing to make the effort for england.


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Sep-18-2005 06:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Matty V
Sven is too defensive minded and doesnt have the balls to try all out attack. If we're chasing the game he'd rather make sure we prevent the other team scoring and hoping to nick a goal from somewhere instead of going for it. This type of tactic doesnt win you games.

However most of our players on the pitch dont help either. We have players who can pick the game up by the scruff of the neck but they just dont seem willing to make the effort for england.


I agree...his defensive tendencies hurt England against Portugal...after Owen's quick goal, they should have pressed and put the Porkies away. Rooney getting hurt didn't help and I believe that's what allowed Portugal to win but coulda, shoulda, woulda.

I don't think it's lack of effort though...I think it's the pressure that builds in their minds every time they play.


Posted by InterMilan31 on Sep-18-2005 07:40:

Smitty replace him with your hero David Moyes(sp)

This happens every year right. I can remember the last 2 qualifying rounds for the Euro and WC they had a desperate match to quallify. Wasnt it Turkey in one and Greece in the other. Theres no doubt that they will qualify. The only questions I have for England are:

1. The Keeper(they all suck)
2. Cole-Terry-Rio-? that ? is full of shite players
3. Media - to me the English media are the most criticial of all. I know ppl who think that is just because they can only read english so that is all they hear but trust me. Italy and Switzerland doesn't get nearly the amount of pressure or bashing england gets in the press.


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Sep-18-2005 07:45:

Aside from David James, who is absolutely a disaster at times, England's keeps have been decent. Robinson is definitely the #1. He had no chance on the goal by N. Ireland, made a few marvelous saves against Wales and didn't play in the 4-1 embarrassment to Denmark. (that was James)

Cole and Terry shite? Nah man. I am starting to have serious doubts about Rio back there, though he was brilliant in the 2002 WC. Agreed about the English Press. This isn't the 1920's anymore...England aren't ever going to win anything with ease.

About Moyes...never quite had the confidence in him actually. He's made some bizarre moves but I'll let the season get a bit older before I start asking him to get canned.


Posted by InterMilan31 on Sep-18-2005 07:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Aside from David James, who is absolutely a disaster at times, England's keeps have been decent. Robinson is definitely the #1. He had no chance on the goal by N. Ireland, made a few marvelous saves against Wales and didn't play in the 4-1 embarrassment to Denmark. (that was James)

Cole and Terry shite? Nah man. I am starting to have serious doubts about Rio back there, though he was brilliant in the 2002 WC. Agreed about the English Press. This isn't the 1920's anymore...England aren't ever going to win anything with ease.

About Moyes...never quite had the confidence in him actually. He's made some bizarre moves but I'll let the season get a bit older before I start asking him to get canned.


No no no Cole, Terry, bridge, Rio, King, Campbell etc I have no problem with its that right posistion I do no when can play fullback in england right now.

Robinson. I have no confidence in him in a big game against a big nation. James is awful, Kirkland is below average so is Green from Norwich.

just 3 more weeks until you ask for his head Everton is so bad this season. No offense


Posted by Alexander_DE on Oct-01-2005 22:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Aside from David James, who is absolutely a disaster at times, England's keeps have been decent. Robinson is definitely the #1. He had no chance on the goal by N. Ireland, made a few marvelous saves against Wales and didn't play in the 4-1 embarrassment to Denmark. (that was James)

Cole and Terry shite? Nah man. I am starting to have serious doubts about Rio back there, though he was brilliant in the 2002 WC. Agreed about the English Press. This isn't the 1920's anymore...England aren't ever going to win anything with ease.

About Moyes...never quite had the confidence in him actually. He's made some bizarre moves but I'll let the season get a bit older before I start asking him to get canned.


All just a lump of bollocks. That is the problem with England players right now: They have skill, but because they earn so much money and therefore spend it and have "good nights out" they become shit. To put it bluntly. It is like that with every soccer player, not just in England. They should just chill and spend more time on the pitch and, most of all, concentrate and their skill.


Posted by The_G0dfather on Oct-04-2005 21:09:

Great idea, fire your coach less than a year before the WC !!!!
GOGOGOGO


Posted by Virus on Oct-05-2005 23:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Chang monkey
eriksonn is a fuking nuisance,. he hasnt got a clue. bring in curbishly or mclaren


Yeah, bring in an English world beater instead of Sven! Seriously, what have they ever won?

Sven G�ran Eriksson made one mistake, and that was to take on the impossible task of managing the English national team. He probably went for the money.

He won the Uefa Cup with IFK Gothenburg(!) in his thirties, he then went on to win the Portugese league with Benfica. He won the Serie A with Lazio and has coached teams like Roma and Sampdoria.

You English are incredible. You see yourselves as Gods gift to football, while you've won the world cup less times than Uruguay and never managed an European Championship.

You should be grateful that we lend you Sven, but instead you moan about how all your troubles would disapear if only you had one of your walk-on-water-second hand coaches as a manager.

No wonder an English coach hasn't won the Premiership(your own league!) for what, 10 years?

Fancy names don't make a team.


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