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i think i'm gonna migrate to cd's.

so i decided that i'm going to sell my decks and buy a pair of cd decks instead. and i got a chance to get to dns-1000's for 500 bucks, brand new. whaddaya guys think?

is .1% really that shitty?

Re: i think i'm gonna migrate to cd's.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue so i decided that i'm going to sell my decks and buy a pair of cd decks instead. and i got a chance to get to dns-1000's for 500 bucks, brand new. whaddaya guys think? is .1% really that shitty?

booo!!!

.1% gets very annoying after a while.. just get serato or fs2!!

if ur gonna buy cd players, at least get some proper ones..

check out the pioneer cmx-3000, its dual and its .05 at least

or just get 2 cdj200s for trance.. dont sell decks!!!

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Originally posted by dinoXpress booo!!! .1% gets very annoying after a while.. just get serato or fs2!! if ur gonna buy cd players, at least get some proper ones.. check out the pioneer cmx-3000, its dual and its .05 at least or just get 2 cdj200s for trance.. dont sell decks!!!

ouch. that bad, huh?

i thought cdj200's were .1% also


i just like the fact that i can download all the latest tracks via beatport, quickly, easily, and cheaply. that, and since cdj'ing is becoming the norm nowadays, it just seems like the natural progression. dns-1000's are that bad though, huh? i figured 250 a deck is a damn good deal

Re: i think i'm gonna migrate to cd's.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue so i decided that i'm going to sell my decks and buy a pair of cd decks instead. and i got a chance to get to dns-1000's for 500 bucks, brand new. whaddaya guys think? is .1% really that shitty?

make sure you archive you vinyl first... you'll regret it if you don't. at least you'll have something to play.

i would go for something better than the dns1000. i think .1% is almost ok. it's not crappy, but it's not great either. i have the dnd4500, and w/the pitch control set 10% i generally spend more time correcting the pitch, than i do w/techs. -some songs stay together like if were mixing on techs, but 95% of the time, i'm definately riding the pitch more than i do w/the techs.

then again, the pitch control is a little wierd on mine. you have to move the fader a bit before it shows the change on the screen. and sometimes it goes by .1% incremtents, some time .2%.

if you can afford something w/a higher resolution, go for it.

well, money is an issue and 500 seems like a steal. to be honest, the main reason i want cd players is because of the pitch bend buttons- it makes mixing sooo much easier. but then again, if the pitch increment is .1%, mixing would be much harder, right?

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue well, money is an issue and 500 seems like a steal. to be honest, the main reason i want cd players is because of the pitch bend buttons- it makes mixing sooo much easier. but then again, if the pitch increment is .1%, mixing would be much harder, right?

not MUCH harder, it's bad like mixing on beltdrives. but it's *NOT* as tight as techs.

i would agree w/dino, it DOES or will get annoying.

try one out if you can. take a cd's w/you to guitar center or something.

if money is an issue, save. don't mean to sound rude or disrespectful. but i almost had to completely stop eating, in order to save up for the crap i have now. and i'm glad i did. if would have bought other TT's, or carts. i would still be wondering what if, and then be mad at myself because i didn't.

i've adopted the "buy it once, buy it right." philosophy. it's hard, but i'm very happy w/results. you don't have to buy top of the line the first time around. just don't settle for bottom feeder stuff, you'll regret it.

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Originally posted by sr126 not MUCH harder, it's bad like mixing on beltdrives. but it's *NOT* as tight as techs.

it can't possibly be as bad as mixing on belt drives?!?!? most cd decks have near-instant start and responsive pitch sliders, right? unlike belt-drives....

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue it can't possibly be as bad as mixing on belt drives?!?!? most cd decks have near-instant start and responsive pitch sliders, right? unlike belt-drives....

even tho the beltdrives i was mixing on at home for about 5years didn't match, they still had 'responsive pitch sliders'. true, the torque sucks, so cueing is constant headache. but they were moody also. the pitch wavered constantly. you always had to stay on top of them to correct them. <- this is the main reason why i comprared mixing on dns1000/dnd4500 to mixing on belt drives. if you are used to mixing on techs, these TT's are as close as you can get to "set and forget" when it comes to beatmatching. then you will denfinately be unhappy riding out mixes on the dns1000. you will be forced to spend more time correcting, and less time mixing, and doing tricks.

oohhhh now i see why you responed the way you did... in my original post i meant to say that it's *NOT* as bad as mixing on beltdrives... sorry for ommission. :)

i can speak english fluently, but i sure as hell can't type it fluently... he he he hhheeeeee.... :-(

the cdj200s are .02 btw..

500 might look like a steal but after being around a LOT of cheap cd decks.. its just not worth it to buy cheap, ive seen so many die.

im sure the denons are great but i dunno, i guess im just partial to pio when it comes to cd decks..

well i have the cdj-100s which have a 0,1% pitch for about 6 years now and while you can definitely mix on them, it is indeed annoying on those mixings where you constantly have to pitch it up or down every couple of seconds for that perfect mix. I'd say... if those are really a bargain and you're in a hurry, go for it, you'll mix on them as well, you just have to go there adjust it more often. But for some more money you can get the cdj-200s and they already have 0,02, i'd go for those if i were you!

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Originally posted by sr126 oohhhh now i see why you responed the way you did... in my original post i meant to say that it's *NOT* as bad as mixing on beltdrives... sorry for ommission. i can speak english fluently, but i sure as hell can't type it fluently... he he he hhheeeeee.... :-(

thanks for the advice guys. so if you had to choose... would you pick cdj-100's or the denon's?

CDJ 200s! .02 pitch, great for trance and relatively cheap (compared to others), made by pioneer.

BTW in your previous post did you mean 200s rather than 100s? Don't get 100s they are out dated and the 200s are better imo.

ok ok. no pio's, no denon's. how about the axis 9's pitch?

edit- actually, just found out from searching- axis 9 = .1%

To be honest I dont know that much about axis 9 and such. They look/sound kinda shady and poor, dunno though.

I would go with the philosophy of buy cheap buy twice, or buy medium/high quality the first time and it will last.

You don't want to buy something cheap then find out its not really what you wanted or it doesn't do the job. Because when you try and sell it you will lose a lot of money, plus have to buy better stuff the second time around. So my suggestion is save up for what you really want, and waht does the job. And imo CDJ 200s are a good choice. GL with your decision.

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Originally posted by FuzzyChicken To be honest I dont know that much about axis 9 and such. They look/sound kinda shady and poor, dunno though. I would go with the philosophy of buy cheap buy twice, or buy medium/high quality the first time and it will last. You don't want to buy something cheap then find out its not really what you wanted or it doesn't do the job. Because when you try and sell it you will lose a lot of money, plus have to buy better stuff the second time around. So my suggestion is save up for what you really want, and waht does the job. And imo CDJ 200s are a good choice. GL with your decision.

thanks. damn i'm disappointed. i wanted cd decks NOW! and now i have to save up instead.

Ask around and see waht people think about the "cheaperish" CD decks like axis 9 and other denons, bascily anything besides pioneer.

Here is another fourm with good info on DJ equipment, do a search there for what you are looking at and see waht people have said about them.

http://www.djsource.co.uk/forums/

I am also looking for a new equipment, and I want to ask
what is exacvtly the pitch increment?

does that means, that if I get a song beatmatched at the same speed, eve though they are equal, one song will start running faster or slower than the other one, and they will run out of sync?

Thank You.

pitch increment is how accurate you can change the tempo of one song to match it with the one thats playing. So the more accurate teh pitch increment is (CDJ 200s .02 vs Axis 9/something .1) the closer you can match the song, and thus you dont have to ride the pitch all the time to make sure the two songs don't drift. Its just a matter of ease so you can make long transitions and the like, easier and better since you don't have to consistantly adjust the pitch.

I hope this is accurate and helps, if not Im sure someone will correct me.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue thanks for the advice guys. so if you had to choose... would you pick cdj-100's or the denon's?

actually, i will always be partial toward denon. i'm not a fan of pioneer at all. after selling consumer audio, and comparing the two -denon will kill pioneer, in sound quality, and build quality.

denon has a rep for being durable, and functional. people seem to have mixed opinions about pioneer. -but they are the standard, while denon isn't.

also, denon's warranty on their dj products is the best i have EVER seen. they really do stand behind their products.

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Originally posted by sr126 actually, i will always be partial toward denon. i'm not a fan of pioneer at all. after selling consumer audio, and comparing the two -denon will kill pioneer, in sound quality, and build quality. denon has a rep for being durable, and functional. people seem to have mixed opinions about pioneer. -but they are the standard, while denon isn't. also, denon's warranty on their dj products is the best i have EVER seen. they really do stand behind their products.

i cant say i agree with you on this at all..

ive used sooo many denon players with one thing fucked up, or 2 things fucked up, it seems like theres always something wrong with someones denon.. ive seen so many clubs with 2 dual cd players because there always something fucked up on of the decks.. and belivee me it wasnt for some crazy 3 deck mixing...but the pios arent perfect either, but in my opinion they are stronger, least these 1000s anyways..

i am still gonna STRONGLY suggest you dont waste your money on cheap shit.. instant gratfication is outweighed by lasting quality imo

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue i can download all the latest tracks via beatport

i'll tell ya... i love beatport... but there is no way i would agree that you can get even close to (let alone "all") of the latest tracks off of there

i find that alot of stuff that i want cannot be found on there or it is added to the site way after the track has released... this is not always the case, but for reasons as such i have both vinyl and cd

and go for the good cdj's.... yeah yeah they cost alot... just bite the bullet once and you will never turn back. i have the cdj1000's and i have to tell you... having accurate decks pays off because the more accurate the beatmatching is, the more you can focus on eqing etc instead of babysitting your decks

at the absolute worst case scenario... have a cheap deck with a good needle and record the vinyls as high quality wavs and burn to a cd to play on your cdjs....

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