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Katrina aid from Cuba? No thanks, says U.S.

I cant understand how SOME still like this president jeeeezz

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9311876/

Yes, only an idiot would say no to "1,600 medics, field hospitals and 83 tons of medical supplies"

How is this any different then when Iran had its huge earthquake at bam and still said no to Israeli aid and rescue teams (one of the most advance and experience in rubble recovery in the world)?

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Originally posted by Yoepus How is this any different then when Iran had its huge earthquake a while back which said no to Israeli aid and rescue teams?

Who said that was smart by Iran?! Obviously Iran's government is a bunch of stupid fucks!

Not all of us voted for Bush. I know I didn't... I think he's an idiot. As an American... I'm very sadden and disappointed on how Bush/FEMA has handled things. But that's to be expected with how the Bush Adminstration has ran things.

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Originally posted by Yoepus How is this any different then when Iran had its huge earthquake at bam and still said no to Israeli aid and rescue teams (one of the most advance and experience in rubble recovery in the world)?

So your admiting the stupidity of Iran with the one that rules the US..

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Originally posted by monkey1717 Not all of us voted for Bush. I know I didn't... I think he's an idiot. As an American... I'm very sadden and disappointed on how Bush/FEMA has handled things. But that's to be expected with how the Bush Adminstration has ran things.

I voted for Bush. I think he is a human being who tends to screw up. I am saddened that the state of Louisiana and the city of New Orleans could not do more.
Many politicians are corrpt and imperfect.
In New Olreans, they have the busses and transportation, not in Washington.
The State have to give the evacuation order, not the Feds
A considerable minority of diehards, wanted to remain.

There is enough blame to go around in my opinion.
1. Stupid People who chose to remain (not the ones with no transportation)
2. The City of New Orleans for not using the busses
3. The State of Louisiana for waiting to issue the evacuation order ( over 20 hours after the federal recommendation)
4. The Federal Government for appointing a horse judger to direct FEMA.

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance I voted for Bush. I think he is a human being who tends to screw up.

What did you vote for him for then?!

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Originally posted by George Smiley What did you vote for him for then?!

It should be "Why did I vote for him?" Because I speak good American!

Well, lets see.

George Bush - multi-millionaire, (me - lower middle class) and I agree with his Social Security plan of having private accounts. I liked him because he seemed human. He screws up when he speaks. He seems very real. A weak conservative compared to others and he has a broader appeal due to that. He still raises taxes.

John Kerry - multi-millionaire, seemed to me like a stuck-up prick and I was in Vietnam! A walking stiff in my opinion. He never laid out a strong plan for his version of Iraq. Openly wanted to raise taxes. A strong liberal.

Bush, I thought was the lesser of two evils. So shoot me, it is my right to vote, even though it is truly decided by an electoral college.

I couldn't agree with you more in terms of the electorial college electing the president.. if not Gore would have been president last time. In the end, it is the lesser of two evils. Can't trust a politicain no matter what party their in.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Yes, only an idiot would say no to "1,600 medics, field hospitals and 83 tons of medical supplies"

If no one can see the obvious political implications of a country like Cuba "Offering" the U.S. aid, then you all truly know nah-dah about politics.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco If no one can see the obvious political implications of a country like Cuba "Offering" the U.S. aid, then you all truly know nah-dah about politics.

yup. and don't bother expaining it to these myopic dumbasses...

Castro sucks huge donkey !@#$%^&

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After graduating medical school shortly after her 22nd birthday, Fernandez spent two years in an isolated mountain community. �I once had to walk some 10 miles for an ambulance,� she said.

Graduated medical school shortly after her 22nd birthday? Not to be pompus, but what kind of medical eduation is that? In the US, the normal MD path takes 4 years of undergrad and 4 years of medical school with a minimum of two years of residency (depending on your field). If you started college at 18, you'd be at least 28 before you were truly practicing medicing on your own. I wonder what kind of "doctors" these people really are.

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance Because I speak good American!

Shame the language you are supposed to be using in here is English!

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Graduated medical school shortly after her 22nd birthday? Not to be pompus, but what kind of medical eduation is that? In the US, the normal MD path takes 4 years of undergrad and 4 years of medical school with a minimum of two years of residency (depending on your field). If you started college at 18, you'd be at least 28 before you were truly practicing medicing on your own. I wonder what kind of "doctors" these people really are.

Cuba has one of the finest doctors in the world, as well as one of the finest Cancer treatments in the world, people from all over go over there if you didnt know.. .. but right, some people dont expect that from a Communist country ruled by Castro, there are things that people need to open their eyes, minds and see some reality check.
( I can speak because my grandfather had Cancer and its well known about this Cancer treatment in the MEdical field )

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance I voted for Bush. I think he is a human being who tends to screw up. I am saddened that the state of Louisiana and the city of New Orleans could not do more. Many politicians are corrpt and imperfect. In New Olreans, they have the busses and transportation, not in Washington. The State have to give the evacuation order, not the Feds A considerable minority of diehards, wanted to remain. There is enough blame to go around in my opinion. 1. Stupid People who chose to remain (not the ones with no transportation) 2. The City of New Orleans for not using the busses 3. The State of Louisiana for waiting to issue the evacuation order ( over 20 hours after the federal recommendation) 4. The Federal Government for appointing a horse judger to direct FEMA.

and

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Originally posted by donnybrasco If no one can see the obvious political implications of a country like Cuba "Offering" the U.S. aid, then you all truly know nah-dah about politics.

And how does the facts that others have fucked up before, and that Cuba has a not-so-hidden agenda, justify turning away medical aid when parts of your population is in badly need of it? Considering how the conservatives of the US always trumpet the freedom of the US people, shouldn't it be the starving suckers in Louisiana that thanked no to the cuban doctors, rather than the fucking fool in the white house?

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Originally posted by LiquidX I cant understand how SOME still like this president jeeeezz

Well, I think the stemcells are pretty well off. Oh yeah, and them gays can't marry. Focus on the important things dude.

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Originally posted by LiquidX Cuba has one of the finest doctors in the world, as well as one of the finest Cancer treatments in the world, people from all over go over there if you didnt know.. .. but right, some people dont expect that from a Communist country ruled by Castro, there are things that people need to open their eyes, minds and see some reality check. ( I can speak because my grandfather had Cancer and its well known about this Cancer treatment in the MEdical field )

Well, I've worked at a cancer hospital here in the United States for the last three years, and I've never heard of Cuba's cancer program once. If you could give some sources as to the caliber of their doctors or cancer program I'd appreciate it.

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Originally posted by LiquidX Cuba has one of the finest doctors in the world,

I don't think this is the doctor in question. Do they have any others?

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Originally posted by trancaholic and And how does the facts that others have fucked up before, and that Cuba has a not-so-hidden agenda, justify turning away medical aid when parts of your population is in badly need of it? Considering how the conservatives of the US always trumpet the freedom of the US people, shouldn't it be the starving suckers in Louisiana that thanked no to the cuban doctors, rather than the fucking fool in the white house?

I dunno why I'm always the one ending up defending these things but here are several possible explinations:


1) Cuban doctors are not certified according to international standards.
2) Fear that a spy/espinoage team willl be send under cover of this aid.
3) Deprivation of Cuba's doctors from their own population
4) The acknowledgement of legitimacy for the Cuban government, which the USA does not recognize.
5) Undermining US foriegn policy.
6) Theft/import of contraband.

Now why is it so hard to see some possible courses of action the US government acted to this request in the way it did?


Though admittedly I do not know the official or real reason...

^^^I think it's closest to #4.

There is a good possibility that we didn't need Medical Teams anyway, from everything I'm reading...but accepting help from Cuba would, as the mustard stated, mean we acknowledge his government...and this is the man who tried to set up Russian Nuclear Missiles in his country, aiming them at us! How much does he really "care" about the good ole USA??

And don't forget the World-Wide Public Perception wind-fall for Cuba if they did provide "Big ole clumsy USA with Medical Teams from tiny, supposedly impotent, Cuba". Cuba would appear stronger than a Super-Power, and hence, gain credibility in the International Community.

Castro the Humanitarian? I don't know if he is or not......but he's a shrewd Politician. He knows the message this "offer" would send to the world should it be accepted. Even offering it and having it rejected (as he knew it would be) is still a political win-win for him (again, as he knew it would be), as there are more than a few people out there who are buying in to this ploy.............as can be seen right here on this board.

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Cuba's attempts to gain a foothold in the international pharmaceutical market have come up against formidable obstacles, both commercial and political, with the stringent US trade embargo.

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The special obstacles to Cuba breaking into the western market have led to a policy of trying to find joint venture partners, which currently include a Canadian, German and a Spanish company. Cuba's cutting-edge products for neck and breast cancer have caused the biggest stir in the world of biotechnology. They have just been licensed to a German pharmaceutical company, with rights to develop the drug TheraCIM h-R3 for the European market. Analysts say so far the commercial rewards for Cuba's many medical innovations have only been a fraction of their potential. But if TheraCim h-R3 receives regulatory approval, it could become a standard cancer treatment in Europe in four or five years, with estimated sales of around $3bn a year.

BBC NEWS

TheraCIM...ah yes the Cuban EGFR Inhibitor. The American version of this drug (Iressa) was approved by the FDA years ago and so far there have been mixed results at best. The Canadian company announced success in the testing of this drug (only a phase I/II study) because of partial reactions out of a control group of a whopping 20+ people. After it goes through a phase III/IV study with a study group of 2000+ (like Iressa did years ago) then maybe we can jump on the Cuban biotechnology bandwagon. As of right now TheraCIM is just one of many drugs in the "new family" of EGFR Inhibitors that has had limited success with limitd study.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono TheraCIM...ah yes the Cuban EGFR Inhibitor. The American version of this drug (Iressa) was approved by the FDA years ago and so far there have been mixed results at best. The Canadian company announced success in the testing of this drug (only a phase I/II study) because of partial reactions out of a control group of a whopping 20+ people. After it goes through a phase III/IV study with a study group of 2000+ (like Iressa did years ago) then maybe we can jump on the Cuban biotechnology bandwagon. As of right now TheraCIM is just one of many drugs in the "new family" of EGFR Inhibitors that has had limited success with limitd study.

I thought that after Phase III studies, approval was the next step. I was not aware that there was a Phase IV. How about Phase IIIb?

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Well, I've worked at a cancer hospital here in the United States for the last three years, and I've never heard of Cuba's cancer program once. If you could give some sources as to the caliber of their doctors or cancer program I'd appreciate it.

Well, Im pretty surprise, hence Cuba gets patients from all over the world, many wealthy people who can afford for alternatives for cure in Cancer. Here in Miami one of the best doctors in Jackson Memorial even gave us a hint that Cuba could have given a cure to my grandfather in one of its centers. There's a reason why MARADONA ( the famous Soccer player ).. goes to Cuba for the drug treatment.

Here's an interesting Link as to how countries around the world look into Cuba for cancer testings and such..

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/art...eview/909/1/87/

PS: I googled this.. didnt get info as to the source of the website and who owns it and such. But the BBC source posted above is just one of the prime examples of Cuba and its cancer treatments.

We don't need no STINKING aid.

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