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Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-15-2005 04:51:

this may be a little out of line but...

can someone create a sticky thread devoted to DJ terminology with definitions and examples? because the thread below me is the 10000000000000000 thread that asks, "what's a rotary mixer?"

and it would also be great if there could be another sticky thread devoted to different specs on cdj's and tt's, such as...

-pitch increments for whatever cdj (i.e. %.05, %.02, etc)
-wow and flutter for whatever TT
-direct drive or not
-TA's own experiences with different equipment

and us TADJ's can just add more and more info so it becomes one huge thread of important info on equipment without the reposts a billion times.

seriously, on a daily basis there is at least one "what's so great about rotary mixers?" thread and at least one "which cdj should i buy between xxxx and xxxx?" thread (even though i've been known to make a few myself)


who here is man enough to start such a thread? chockfull of wonderful DJ hardware goodness?

Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-15-2005 04:55:

in fact, i'll start off with just some info off the top of my head.

a ROTARY MIXER is a mixer that has knobs instead of volume sliders for the channels. Many believe that rotary mixers are better because it allows the dj more control.




pioneer cdj-1000
%.02 pitch resolution at 6% pitch range
vinyl emulated platter

pioneer cdj-800
%.05 pitch increment
vinyl emulated platter

pioneer cdj-200
%.02 pitch increment
jog wheel

pioneer cdj-100
%.1 pitch increment
jog wheel


denon dns-1000
%.1 pitch increment
vinyl emulated platter

denon dns-3000
%.05 pitch increment
vinyl emulated platter

denon dns-5000
4% = 0.02 (Range: +4 to -4)
10% = 0.10 (Range: +10 to -10)
16% = 0.10 (Range: +16 to -16)
24% = 0.10 (Range: +24 to -24)
50% = 0.50 (Range: +50 to -50)
100% = 1.00 (Range: +100 to -100)
belt-driven vinyl emulated platter




and so on and so forth. who's with me

Posted by Trogdor on Sep-15-2005 06:21:

Hmm. Great idea, but your first post has bad info in it.

Posted by BradP on Sep-15-2005 06:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_Blue
denon dns-5000
%.05 pitch increment
belt-driven vinyl emulated platter


On the Denon DNS-5000 the pitch increment can be switched between:

4% = 0.02 (Range: +4 to -4)
10% = 0.10 (Range: +10 to -10)
16% = 0.10 (Range: +16 to -16)
24% = 0.10 (Range: +24 to -24)
50% = 0.50 (Range: +50 to -50)
100% = 1.00 (Range: +100 to -100)

Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-15-2005 06:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Trogdor
Hmm. Great idea, but your first post has bad info in it.


hmm thanks for the clarification

that's what this thread is all about!!! (not bad information persay)

quote:
Originally posted by BradP
On the Denon DNS-5000 the pitch increment can be switched between:

4% = 0.02 (Range: +4 to -4)
10% = 0.10 (Range: +10 to -10)
16% = 0.10 (Range: +16 to -16)
24% = 0.10 (Range: +24 to -24)
50% = 0.50 (Range: +50 to -50)
100% = 1.00 (Range: +100 to -100)


that's what i'm talking about

will fix first post

Posted by spdandpwr on Sep-15-2005 07:32:

the cdj-200 has no scratching

Posted by spdandpwr on Sep-15-2005 07:46:

Turntable 101

In today's posting of turntable 101 we will list several key factors in djing and equipment:

-Don't buy belt driven turntables
-Technics are industry standard
-Both Numark and Stanton provide key correction on select turntable models (unfortunately this technology has yet to be perfected on the turntable)
-Straight arm turntables provide greater skip resistance and s-shaped tone-arms provide higher sound quality

Today we will look at the Stanton Str8-150

The STR8-150 offers durable construction designed to minimize feedback, an industry-leading torque motor - up to 4.5 Kgf-cm, and an ultra-stable platter and tone arm. Features include: Key Correction, Reverse, up to 50% pitch adjustment, and S/PDIF digital outputs (courtesy of music123)

For a complete review please check out this Link

Posted by Xtracktor on Sep-15-2005 11:31:

Wow, very nice idea! TA DJ Hardware thread...alot of the overclocking forums that I go to have alot of stickies like these.

Well lets see:

mixer wise, stay clear of the Behringer djx 700 at all cost.

Question though: what is the increment on the CDJ 700S (I have one thats why )

Posted by Ryan0751 on Sep-15-2005 14:17:

The CDJ-1000 has %.02 pitch resolution at 6% pitch range...

quote:
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pioneer cdj-1000
%.05 pitch increment
vinyl emulated platter

Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-15-2005 18:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
The CDJ-1000 has %.02 pitch resolution at 6% pitch range...


fixed!

Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-15-2005 18:46:

quote:
Originally posted by spdandpwr
the cdj-200 has no scratching


thanks




Numark TT200

I own a pair of these, it's a great starter deck for the DJ on a budget.

- direct drive, torque: 1.7kg/cm
- replaceable lights, crossfaders, and straight/s-shaped tonearms
- 33,45,78 RPM with reverse function
- "quartz" button that snaps the vinyl back to %0


my only gripes with these decks is that the pitch fader is EXTREMELY sensitive. it takes a long time to get used to how the fader works. other than that, it's an excellent deck for the money.

Posted by BradP on Sep-15-2005 19:15:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Xtracktor
mixer wise, stay clear of the Behringer djx 700 at all cost.


I use a Behringer DJX700 and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. I don't have the cash to buy a top of the line mixer, so for $200 (Canadian currency) it works nicely. Mabye once I get the chance to use a newer or industry standard mixer i'll see why people bash Behringer so much.

Posted by spdandpwr on Sep-15-2005 20:13:

Turntable 101

Lesson 2

Today we will discuss a very important factor when purchasing dj equipment.

SAVE YOUR MONEY BEFORE YOU BUY EQUIPMENT

Even if you don't plan on becoming a popular dj or even becoming serious with it, you still should invest in quality stuff. The mixer you can get away with a cheaper unit but for turntables it is suggested to go with higher end ones. The reason being is that when you buy an expensive deck and become serious with djing you won't have to complain or whine on how you didn't buy the equipment from the start. But let's say you are one of the few who hates djing and decides not pursue it. Well, because you invested in technics or any other high end table, you can now sell the equipment online for nearly the same price. It's a win win situation. Besides who is willing to buy used cheapo turntables.....nobody! Therfore it makes sense in every respect to go with the best turntable.

I suggest for an entry level two channel mixer that everyone go with the djm-707 it's a solid mixer with an optical crossfader that is sure to last. But this brings up a new issue which we will discuss in later issues. For now please take that piece of advice.

Posted by punjabi on Sep-15-2005 21:20:

my only piece of advice (at this time):

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM BEHRINGER!!!

oh and definitely agree with the guy above me...save your money and get quality starter gear. i did, and i don't regret spending the extra money one bit.

Posted by Vlad on Sep-15-2005 22:46:

Since this thread is gonna be alittle messy, what Im gonna do is Im gonna keep a log of all the specifications that go onto this thread for different types of DJ equipment, once we tap all of it, Ill post a clean cut thread.

Posted by Vlad on Sep-15-2005 22:48:

We could also make a section of definitions, defining even the most redunant of parts on equipment, so that new people can just refer to that thread if they dont know what a function on something does.

Posted by Vlad on Sep-15-2005 23:30:

Heres something Ive been working on..

Turntables

Technics

Technics SL-1200mk5/SL-1210mk5
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 1.5
Wow & Flutter: 0.01%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Technics SL-1210mk5G
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8 & 16%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 1.5
Wow & Flutter: 0.01%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Technics SL-1200mk2/SL-1210mk2
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 1.5
Wow & Flutter: 0.01%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Stanton

Stanton ST-150
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 4.5
Wow & Flutter: <0.1%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Stanton STR8-150
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8, 25 & 50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 4.5
Wow & Flutter: <0.1%
Tone Arm: Striaght
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Stanton T-120
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8, 25 & 50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 4.5
Wow & Flutter: 0.1%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Stanton T-80
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8 & 12%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): >1.6
Wow & Flutter: 0.15%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Stanton T-60
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): >1.0
Wow & Flutter: 0.015%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Stanton T-50
Belt Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): n/a
Wow & Flutter: 0.02%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Numark

Numark TTX-1
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10, 20 & 50% (8% Optional)
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 2.5, 3.7 & 4.7
Wow & Flutter: n/a
Tone Arm: Straight & S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Numark TT-500
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10, 20 & 50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 5.0
Wow & Flutter: n/a
Tone Arm: Straight & S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Numark TT-200
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 2.0
Wow & Flutter: <0.2%
Tone Arm: Straight & S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Numark TT-1650
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 1.0
Wow & Flutter: <0.25%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Numark TT-1610
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): n/a
Wow & Flutter: <0.25%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Vestax

Vestax PDX-2300mkII Pro
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 2.2
Wow & Flutter: 0.07%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Vestax PDX-2000mkII Pro
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 4.7
Wow & Flutter: 0.07%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Vestax PDX-2000mkII
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 2.2
Wow & Flutter: 0.07%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Gemini

Gemini TT-04
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10 & 20%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 5.0
Wow & Flutter: n/a
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Gemini TT-02
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm):
Wow & Flutter: 0.25%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Gemini TT-01
Belt Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): n/a
Wow & Flutter: >0.25%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45


Im gonna be doing this for turntables, cdj's, mixers, headphones, carts and f/x

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Sep-15-2005 23:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

Numark TTX-1
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8, 10, 20 & 50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 2.5, 3.7 & 4.7
Wow & Flutter: n/a
Tone Arm: Straight & S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78


Pitch range is +/-10, 20, 50% - there's no 8% option.

Posted by Vlad on Sep-16-2005 01:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Pitch range is +/-10, 20, 50% - there's no 8% option.


There is, but its optional.

Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-16-2005 04:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Heres something Ive been working on..

Turntables

Technics

Technics SL-1200mk5/SL-1210mk5
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 1.5
Wow & Flutter: 0.01%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Technics SL-1210mk5G
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8 & 16%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 1.5
Wow & Flutter: 0.01%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Technics SL-1200mk2/SL-1210mk2
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 1.5
Wow & Flutter: 0.01%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Stanton

Stanton ST-150
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 4.5
Wow & Flutter: <0.1%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Stanton STR8-150
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8, 25 & 50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 4.5
Wow & Flutter: <0.1%
Tone Arm: Striaght
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Stanton T-120
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8, 25 & 50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 4.5
Wow & Flutter: 0.1%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Stanton T-80
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-8 & 12%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): >1.6
Wow & Flutter: 0.15%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Stanton T-60
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): >1.0
Wow & Flutter: 0.015%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Stanton T-50
Belt Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): n/a
Wow & Flutter: 0.02%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Numark

Numark TTX-1
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10, 20 & 50% (8% Optional)
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 2.5, 3.7 & 4.7
Wow & Flutter: n/a
Tone Arm: Straight & S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Numark TT-500
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10, 20 & 50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 5.0
Wow & Flutter: n/a
Tone Arm: Straight & S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Numark TT-200
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 2.0
Wow & Flutter: <0.2%
Tone Arm: Straight & S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Numark TT-1650
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 1.0
Wow & Flutter: <0.25%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Numark TT-1610
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): n/a
Wow & Flutter: <0.25%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Vestax

Vestax PDX-2300mkII Pro
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 2.2
Wow & Flutter: 0.07%
Tone Arm: S-Shaped
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Vestax PDX-2000mkII Pro
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 4.7
Wow & Flutter: 0.07%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Vestax PDX-2000mkII
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-50%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 2.2
Wow & Flutter: 0.07%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Gemini

Gemini TT-04
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10 & 20%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): 5.0
Wow & Flutter: n/a
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33, 45 & 78

Gemini TT-02
Direct Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm):
Wow & Flutter: 0.25%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45

Gemini TT-01
Belt Drive Motor
Pitch Range: +/-10%
Motor Torque (kgf/cm): n/a
Wow & Flutter: >0.25%
Tone Arm: Straight
Speeds (rpm): 33 & 45


Im gonna be doing this for turntables, cdj's, mixers, headphones, carts and f/x


whoa, great work

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Sep-16-2005 10:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
There is, but its optional.

No there isn't. Only 10, 20 and 50.

Or if there is they've hidden it pretty damn well since I've been using TTX's for almost 2 years now and still haven't found the option...

Posted by Vlad on Sep-16-2005 15:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
No there isn't. Only 10, 20 and 50.

Or if there is they've hidden it pretty damn well since I've been using TTX's for almost 2 years now and still haven't found the option...



Maybe you know better than Numark than? Cause those spec's are taken from their site. Optional doesnt mean hidden, it means you have to order the turntable with that option.

Posted by Wraith on Sep-16-2005 15:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
No there isn't. Only 10, 20 and 50.

Or if there is they've hidden it pretty damn well since I've been using TTX's for almost 2 years now and still haven't found the option...


Try this if you will. Turn on your TTX and then hold the pitch button down and watch the display.

Posted by spdandpwr on Sep-16-2005 22:38:

I was looking to see the price on the djm-707 and for some reason i can't find the mixer for sale on music123 or musiciansfriend so if you are looking for the next best thing for a mixer, get the sa-12 from stanton it is selling for 300 us and comes with effects not to mention the mixer was selling for 500 two months ago. Get it while supplies last. If i had these golden opportunities when i was buying my dj equipment.....my set-up would own



It's only the 3x champion, DJ Craze signature mixer!" This battle mixer (designed for the champ) has all the flexibility and quality of a club mixer but has all the requirements of today's Turntablist. The SA-12 incorporates a "user-friendly" removable effect module that any DJ can install [one of three sound modules available]. These modules can then be assigned to either channel (1/2), the microphone, and even the main mix.

Taken from music123


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