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need some minor advice on beat matching

...hey fellas, Im not a newbie TA, however, Im new at posting here. Ive been spining records for a few years now, most of which was spend on bad tables. I finlly got some good tables (technics) and ive never looked back. I have notcied that, although my beat matching has improved greatly, its not where i think it should be at. ive been spining on technics for 1 year now, and its truly frustrating. can anyone here offer some advice, or maybe some practicing methods that will lead to better beatmatching? how long was it b4 you guys perfected it? thanks

need to break the slump here!

-audio

first of all no one is perfect at it. once in awhile everyone messes up, everyone usually has to touch the record/table now and then.

just be patient, some days are good and some days just suck.

all i gotta say is always use the pitch slider instead of putting pressure on the record.. it helped my mixing immensely

I'm not spinning that much myself, but many people told me to try and match two same records...that it's a great practicing method...
I think you know about it, but hey if it's good to learn beatmatching...couldn't it be enough to develop it too? and if nothing you might make a nice remix of the track by mistake

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Originally posted by BOOsTER I'm not spinning that much myself, but many people told me to try and match two same records...that it's a great practicing method... I think you know about it, but hey if it's good to learn beatmatching...couldn't it be enough to develop it too? and if nothing you might make a nice remix of the track by mistake

i would personally not do that. it may teach you to go through the motions of mixing, but if you match two of the same record, you don't "find" where the two songs are matched because they are the same tempo. might as well get some real practice with two different songs, because i doubt you're going to mix two of the same song together too often.

What's wrong with putting pressure and touching the record to beatmatch? (i.e. constantly cueing and releasing to see if beats 'match')... is there any reason it is better to solely use the pitch slider and not touch the record?

And lets say you adjust ONLY with pitch slider... if you get both songs in sequence.. will they line-up eventually.. im guessing that is where some "touching" is involved?

putting pressure works but is incosistent and when you are playing out and are nervous, there is a possibility of over correcting. besides if you guess wrong and speed up a track instead of slowing it down then you can correct faster and fix it quicker than if you use your hands or whatever

Using the pitch slider to make minor adjustments (pitch riding) is an advanced technique IMO, i can't do it yet. TBH my only advice is just to practice practice practice, you'll get there eventually. Some people just pick it up quicker than others, I've been spinning for 18 months (6 on techs) and i can beatmatch almost perfectly every time.

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Originally posted by moondog Using the pitch slider to make minor adjustments (pitch riding) is an advanced technique IMO, i can't do it yet. TBH my only advice is just to practice practice practice, you'll get there eventually. Some people just pick it up quicker than others, I've been spinning for 18 months (6 on techs) and i can beatmatch almost perfectly every time.

Quick question about the pitch sliding technique. I have mk2's and I bought them used, looks like theyve seen alot of action (I'm guessing a good 15 years), now playing on m3d's or M5G's I get a totally different feel in the pitch slider...would you think that its normal? or its just my pitch slider on the mk2s? Also, damn the pitch lock click!!

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Originally posted by DJ Xtracktor Quick question about the pitch sliding technique. I have mk2's and I bought them used, looks like theyve seen alot of action (I'm guessing a good 15 years), now playing on m3d's or M5G's I get a totally different feel in the pitch slider...would you think that its normal? or its just my pitch slider on the mk2s? Also, damn the pitch lock click!!

i would inagine that they would become looser as they get older, but mine are only 18 months old, so i'm not sure

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Originally posted by Xtracktor Quick question about the pitch sliding technique. I have mk2's and I bought them used, looks like theyve seen alot of action (I'm guessing a good 15 years), now playing on m3d's or M5G's I get a totally different feel in the pitch slider...would you think that its normal? or its just my pitch slider on the mk2s? Also, damn the pitch lock click!!

Hey if you want I can talk to Elmar to have that looked at and he can remove your pitch lock

thanks for the info fellas. i guess it doesnt really help that Im using some tired technics and Im legaly deaf in one ear. but i do what i can and im not too bad, just need some work. i will use the advice.

what technique do you guys use on the mixer while trying to match the beat? do you guys split the channels on the headset? use the cue/ master knob, so just play both tracks at the same time on the headset?

ive been using variuos methods, but its hard to get used to one or the other on some tracks. its hard spining with one good ear.

Re: need some minor advice on beat matching

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Originally posted by Audiomancer ...hey fellas, Im not a newbie TA, however, Im new at posting here. Ive been spining records for a few years now, most of which was spend on bad tables. I finlly got some good tables (technics) and ive never looked back. I have notcied that, although my beat matching has improved greatly, its not where i think it should be at. ive been spining on technics for 1 year now, and its truly frustrating. can anyone here offer some advice, or maybe some practicing methods that will lead to better beatmatching? how long was it b4 you guys perfected it? thanks need to break the slump here! -audio

Close your eyes, pick 2 records... Close your eyes, set the pitch at some random number... Close your eyes and match the beats. Dont touch the record, just do it with the pitch, dont open your eyes, you dont need to see what number its on because when its matched its matched.

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Originally posted by Sound O fTrance What's wrong with putting pressure and touching the record to beatmatch? (i.e. constantly cueing and releasing to see if beats 'match')... is there any reason it is better to solely use the pitch slider and not touch the record? And lets say you adjust ONLY with pitch slider... if you get both songs in sequence.. will they line-up eventually.. im guessing that is where some "touching" is involved?

i don't mean touching the record to cue it up, of course you need to touch the record then.

just speeding up/slowing down your record by applying pressure with your hands either in the middle of the record or against the platter.

it's inconsistent
it's not accurate
and it puts wear on the motor.

if you have a problem getting the song back up to pitch using the slider, i suggest "kicking" the slider up or down (depending on how fast/slow it's going compared to the playing track) in a quick motion and then setting it back to the matched tempo

it makes for a quicker, more accurate correction of the pitch.

What helped me alot was using the same record method. Now I beat match all the time preety damn good. Everyone has their own technique. If im fast mixing irene styli, Ill use my hands alot on the records normally Ill release it then depending on how much pressure I put on the record to synch it up rather it be faster or slower will help me determine just how far to find the pitch. If im not rushed at all ill just use pitch. I get it matched up quick then play it again and see how long it is matched for time wise and make the 3rd release tweak a lil and be gold by then.

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Originally posted by bokus mixing irene styli

I thought i irene was a has been, anyways i dont like her.. lol her tracks dont do it for me. JMO,

anyhoot, i stopped mixing years ago, got some used decks about a year ago, now i have about 100 records in my collection. All i could say is, I still havent lost it. But the only bad on my part is have trouble when there is no kick or clap to match the beat with the other, for instance.. BT and PVD mix of flaming june, so what I usually do is go half way till i find the kick or the clap beat match then go from there. Also one lesson I learn, no pair of tables are like your own!

Omega Blue i know what you mean. You are right it is inconsistant especially when you have a warped record that spins all the way around with just a little touch. I only do the pitch correcting thing when i m playing on a mk3 or mk5 becsaue of the 0 pitch button. I can just push it and let go and it will return to the original pitch. Whenever I play on a Mk2 or anything else i never touch the pitch becasue i find that no matter how accurate you are you will never put it back to where it originaly was.

Another trick i find that really controls the consistantcy of shifting the record forward and back is to only touch the platter. This requires you to be pretty comfortable when playing live becasue the slightest twitch can ruin everything. For minor corrections always be moving your arm before actually engaging the platter. Heres what I do i extend my hand infront of my me. Twirl it clockwise to speed it (start @ 10 o clock and move towards 2 oclock it until your beats are matched, repeat if its really off, remember alittle at a time). Make sure your arm is moving the same speed as the platter when you first make contact, speed up slowly, like really really slowly. When you release your hand form the platter your hand should be moving the same speed as the platter). Oh yeah When slowing down go counter-clockwise start @ 2 oclock and move to 10 oclock. Most of you probably already know this but after trying every possible techniqe i find this one never fails. Takes practise but trust me you will never touch your record again when you have perfected it. (you can stop rolling yours eyes now)

hope that wasnt too boring and made some sense. I hate touching my records makes them dirty.

you guys have all been helpfull.. im sure before long my Mix will be available for DL. it will be great!

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