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Mixers - Vestax vs. Pioneer ....
i considering buynig a new mixer but i still dont know what to buy i think about the vestax pvc-275 or the pioneer 500 i had a rane mixer but now i want to buy an new one so what do you think ? which of this is best mixer ?
Why are you getting rid of the Rane? 
RANE's da shit 
Id go with the Pioneer..............600 if you can afford it
U should get the 500 because it TOTALLY rips the Vestax.. and if money persisits, get the 600, the effects are AMAZING!
Personally, i think that Vestax mixers arent up to club standards with so little features.
Why do people not understand?
If you are looking for a top end mixer, stay away from Pioneer! They are shite!
The only mixer you should be looking at is the Allen & Heath Xone 62. Or, if you really want to go all out, a Urei rotary or Rane rotary. There is nothing better!
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| Originally posted by DJTJ Why do people not understand? If you are looking for a top end mixer, stay away from Pioneer! They are shite! |
Yeah.. Pioneer are high enough quality mixers and ARE club standard. I dont think Pinto wants to spend like US$800 on the Allen & heath Xone 32 when he can get a DJM-600.
Its not like he is gonna be DJ'ing at a club where he'll need the best.. and from what i remember, money doesnt fall from the sky or this guy would be getting Rane mixers as DJTJ suggested.
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| Originally posted by DJ Darchinova Yeah.. Pioneer are high enough quality mixers and ARE club standard. I dont think Pinto wants to spend like US$800 on the Allen & heath Xone 32 when he can get a DJM-600. Its not like he is gonna be DJ'ing at a club where he'll need the best.. and from what i remember, money doesnt fall from the sky or this guy would be getting Rane mixers as DJTJ suggested. |
The effects on the 600 are SO MUCH better.. just try it out at your local DJ store and see the difference between the 500 and 600 effects.. But you decide if the effects are worth an extra US$100
There are also small things which are improved on the 600.. like the cuts are 2db's lower (24db to 26db).. haha
there is also a sampler and beat effector on the 600
For the same price of a 600 u could get the A&H X:32 which has AMAZING effects... but i dont think this is what your looking for
The 600 should be around $900-1000
and the 500 around $800
GUYS STOP ALLREADY!!!!!. I tried to post this reply yesterday but TA.com was having probs.I wish I had to stop this chat going any futher. Pioneer are CACK. PERIOD. I know this becuase I have used one extensivly, many times. After the initial novelty of the (obvious) effects wears off (and out) you will realise they are very limited, and the sounds no where near as good as an outboard effects unit. I have also witnessed two different DJM600's break/wear out (both bought at seperate times and shops), on one, the headphone pan crackled to the point that it was unbearable to use and the other had transformer problems. The fist one was only three months old!!!!! the second was 9 months!!!! All this for just �700. Bargain (not). Their sound to noise ratio is less than impressive,as is their harmonic distortion and their overall sound quality is not up the level I would expect to find at half the price. Allen and heath are sweet indeed but the price is not.having said that they are at least audio qaulity,and are closer to being better value. Vestax seem to get ripped by many people but their sound quality is among the top 1% of all mixers on the market (A+H included). And no they don't have the cheesy and limited effects the pioneer does but they are well laid out and last a damn long time. More clubs actually Vestax than any other mixer. The sampler on the 600 is nearly useless if you want your mixes to sound pro. Remember you guys, don't beleive everything big name DJ's say about mixers, because they get paid alot of coin to say these things.One last moan, somone was going on about Rane and Urei mixers. Please if you don't know the facts stay quiet. Urei was swallowed by another company many moons ago and the dissolved which means even if you could find a moxer which isnt worn to fuck(near impossible seeing as most of them are over 10years old) getting spare parts for them is not going to happen. rane are built to last but quality wise, they only really match vestax - not surpass, and what you get for the money really isnt worth it. Finally I do not mean to insult Pioneer users out there, but there really are an abundance of better, longer lasting, higher quality mixers for less money. RANN.
Infact my friend just purchased the blue (looks very very nice) Vestax PCV-275 a month ago.. and the sound quality is undetectable from the that and the 600. You would need a dog to make the difference out..!
The things which are good on the PCV-275 are the kill switches (which are quite small) for each eq and channel. And there is also balance on each channels an eq isolators.. But probably the best thing on it is the PCV crossfader which NEVER needs replacing.. it can take up to 1 million side to sides rather than 100,000 times on other mixers. If you plan to keep the mixer you are going to buy for more than 3 years.. get the Vestax
But i would still go the DJM-600.. the Vestax isnt that special, they should make a better monitoring system
But you would be saving around $400 if you got the PCV-275.. but i would rather get the 19-inch PCV-150 which is 4 channel and has some better options but no kill switches, separate channel balances or effects control..
but it is cheaper
Pioneer mixers are used in clubs for all the wrong reasons. For the most part, club owners know jack shit about sound engineering and buy an expensive Pioneer simply because they have heard of Pioneer. They are immensely overpriced, they don't deserve to be priced at over $250, and that's just for the effects. Buying any other brand would be far better value for money - Pioneer are by far the most expensive mixers for what you get.
RANN, I'm not completely certain about this, but I believe you can still get Urei mixers, but as kits. Urei didn't actually make the components of the mixers themselves, they bought them from other companies and assembled them. I think that whoever bought out Urei kept on all the specs and so on and they will provide you with all the components needed to buid your own. But like I said, I'm not totally certain on that.
Darchinova (cool name, by the way) when you listen to the pioneer vs vestax in a bedroom setup you probably won't notice the difference, but the second you have to get sound amplified to anywhere near even club DB levels you will hear an obvious colouration from thr pioneer. DJTJ you are absolutely right about the reasons clubs use pioneer. really the only upside to having a pioneer is that when they do break (and they will) you walk in to nearly any hi fi store on earth (as long as you still have warranty) and they can send it away to get it fixed/replaced. I will soon be doing an my own exact audio comparisons between a few mixers (to compare harmonic distortion, dynamic range, noise floor, signal to niose ratio,etc) and hopefully I'll be able to test a DJM 500+600 and the New PCV range. As for what people go on about "oh I need 4 channels" and "more effects" and "rotary mixers are the best" ,its all bullshit. People like carl Cox can mix on 4 decks but what most people don't realize is that he only ever will use three channels at the same time, if that. I watched him not so long ago do a 4 and half hour set and for 90% of that time he was simply working out of two channels (yes using all four decks) and switched between tracks. On that night he had a pro intallation 8 channel (16 input) mixer but rarely needed 3 working at the same time.The bottom line is a 3 channel mixer will be enough for 99% of DJ's out there. By the way, just to be a ****, I think the PCV 175 is blue and the 275 is silver. You are right in that the vestax have nice features and if you really need more an outboard effects units (korg kaos pad, new vestax dynamic filter and phaser) are allways a better buy and quality ,and ultimatly allow you change it later on, rather than getting a whole new mixer. the monitoring on the vestax is a bit simple but in function it's the same as the pioneer, but it won't break in three months. Really stay away fom pioneer mixers. I don't mean to insult pioneer owners, but there are many mixers out there which are higher quality, have more fuctions, better laid out, last longer and cost no where near as much. that fat cash you lay out for them is because you are buying in to their name. The money you will save buying a vestax can go into a great FX unit or buying more choons - cos at the end of the day it's more about ability - than equipment. PEACE, RANN.
Well obviously DJ Rann has put a lot of thought into this.. and he does have good points
so i dont want to say anything more cos i dont want negative vibes around here.
hehe
Mixer=Rodec
U should buy a mixer for what you need him for!! U won't buy a sportscar if u have to drive throudh the woods every day!!!
If u just wanna use it in your bedroom, most mixers are good enough, even the not so expensive ones! If u wanna use it at big parites or in clubs, then u should buy something which will last long and has good quality! But if u play at parties, u will have the money to buy an expensive one!
I started out with a JB systems classic 3 (in my bedroom)Most people told me it was a crap mixer, but it still works great!! It is a simple 3 channel mixer, with a crossfader and low-med-high tone knobs! That's all you need! Beatmatchers and samplers are just toys!! I know that when i would use it to play more amplified, it would suck big time, but that's not why I needed it!
If you have the money, you should buy a Rodec mixer! Belgian quality!! And i am not saying it because i am from Belgium! They last almost a lifetime and have real good quality! There are 3-9channel mixers! Check it out at www.rodec.be
Greetzz DJ CaBaL
Do what you gotta do.
All i know is that i own a DJM600 and I luv it. There is no one out there that is going to change my mind. There's lots of peepz out there who will say likewise...but they might not even own one
Ive got a friend who spins on a Gemini mixer (home setup) and the sound is incredible. Then again i have other friends who spin on the 600 and its incredible as well.
its pmc270a not 275..
dont get me confused 
I love my vestax pmc270a its a really good mixer. I would have gotten the pioneer 500, but its too overpriced and i coulnd afford it.
a pioneer 500 is $1000, and a vestax pmc270a is $650
hmm.... Unless you are spinning in clubs or raves, you don't really need the cool effects that the pioneers have.
Pioneer, Vestax, Allen&Heath and Rane mixers are all good.
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| Originally posted by Dmatrox its pmc270a not 275.. dont get me confused |
cabal raises a good point dudes....i once had a gemini mixer and even though the quality is obviously less than others out there I made some of my best mixes just because i enjoyed using the thing so much (liked the layout and cue monitor xfader). At the end of the day when you buy a mixer the question is not how good are it's stats or is it better quality/has more fx/more knobs etc, it should just simply be: which one suits me the most ? if you think about what it is you need from a mixer and then go to shop and use the ones you're thinking of the one that "feels" best will be the one to go for everytime.
(just not a DJM600 (heheheh) !!!!only kidding!!!!!
PEACE.
u got it DJ Rann
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