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Atta Papers (2.5 terabytes worth) Destroyed on Orders

WASHINGTON - A Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta as a terrorist two years before the 2001 attacks, a congressman said Thursday.


The employee is prepared to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee and was expected to identify the person who ordered him to destroy the large volume of documents, said Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa.

Weldon declined to identify the employee, citing confidentiality matters. Weldon described the documents as "2.5 terabytes" � as much as one-fourth of all the printed materials in the Library of Congress, he added.

A Senate Judiciary Committee aide said the witnesses for Wednesday hearing had not been finalized and could not confirm Weldon's comments.

Army Maj. Paul Swiergosz, a Pentagon spokesman, said officials have been "fact-finding in earnest for quite some time."

"We've interviewed 80 people involved with Able Danger, combed through hundreds of thousands of documents and millions of e-mails and have still found no documentation of Mohamed Atta," Swiergosz said.

He added that certain data had to be destroyed in accordance with existing regulations regarding "intelligence data on U.S. persons."

Weldon has said that Atta, the mastermind of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and three other hijackers were identified in 1999 by a classified military intelligence unit known as "Able Danger," which determined they could be members of an al-Qaida cell.

On Wednesday, former members of the Sept. 11 commission dismissed the "Able Danger" assertions. One commissioner, ex-Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash., said, "Bluntly, it just didn't happen and that's the conclusion of all 10 of us."

Weldon responded angrily to Gorton's assertions.

"It's absolutely unbelievable that a commission would say this program just didn't exist," Weldon said Thursday.

Pentagon officials said this month they had found three more people who recall an intelligence chart identifying Atta as a terrorist prior to the Sept. 11 attacks.

Two military officers, Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, have come forward to support Weldon's claims.





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Jesus. Wonder how far this will go.

Why would they do that? I mean, it would only add fuel to the fire of all these conspiracy theorists about how 9/11 is another great cover-up.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Jesus. Wonder how far this will go.

Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 1:22 a.m. EDT

Missing Able Danger 'Atta' Chart in 2002 Video

A copy of the Able Danger chart that identified lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta as a terrorist operating inside the U.S. a year before the 9/11 attacks is clearly visible in a video of a 2002 speech by delivered by Rep. Curt Weldon to the Heritage Foundation.

The Pentagon, the 9/11 Commission and the Senate Intelligence Committee are currently seeking evidence that the bombshell chart, featuring a photo Atta, ever existed - as claimed by three members of the Able Danger team, along with Rep. Weldon. But so far, no physical evidence of the controversial document has surfaced.


Until now.

A third of the way through his May 23, 2002 address on data fusion techniques, the video shows Rep. Weldon unfurling a copy of the now missing document and displaying it to the Heritage audience.

"This is the unclassified chart that was done by the Special Forces Command briefing center one year before 9/11," he explains. "It is the complete architecture of al Qaeda and pan-Islamic extremism. It gives all the linkages. It gives all the capabilities. . . ."

Though Weldon never mentions Able Danger or Atta by name - and the video never zooms in on the chart to the point where Atta's photo is identifiable - it's clear from Weldon comments that the chart is the same one currently being sought.

Since the Able Danger story broke three weeks ago, the Pennsylvania Republican has repeatedly insisted that he gave a copy of the chart shortly after the 9/11 attacks to then-Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley.

In the 2002 speech, Weldon told the same story in greater detail, standing beside a copy of what he said he gave Hadley.

"I went to the White House. I don't mean to embarrass this guy cause he's a good friend of mine. But I took a mini version of this chart in Nov. [2001] and I turned it over to him - Steve Hadley, who works directly for [then-National Security Advisor] Condi Rice."

Weldon said Hadley was stunned after viewing the Al Qaeda-Atta document.

"This is unbelievable - where'd you get this?" he wanted to know.

After being told that the chart was prepared by military intelligence a year before the 9/11 attacks, Hadley said, according to Weldon, "I've got to show this to the man" - apparently referring to President Bush.

In the same speech, Rep. Weldon also revealed that then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Hugh Shelton received a briefing on the Able Danger chart in the closing weeks of the Clinton administration.

To view Rep. Weldon's entire 2002 speech to the Heritage Foundation, go to:
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/2002archive.cfm
He displays the al Qaeda-Atta chart approximately 34 minutes into the presentation.


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/.../29/12430.shtml

wow, even FOX has been covering this

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"There's something very sinister going on here that really troubles me," Weldon told FOX News on Thursday, blasting the Sept. 11 commission for not taking the claims more seriously. He said some panel members were trying to smear Shaffer and Able Danger. "What's the Sept. 11 commission got to hide?" Weldon asked. "The commission is trying to spin this because they're embarrassed about what's coming out. In two weeks with two staffers, I've uncovered more in this regard than they did with 80 staffers and $15 million of taxpayer money." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167130,00.html

Interesting post, Trancer.

I kinda wonder if the tin foil hat could be worn by either party. Some Rightside tin foilers might claim some Clintonites might have covered this up a little bit, considering it was from 2 yrs. prior to 9/11. Like I said, it'll be interesting to see how far this goes...

2.5 Terabytes of documents on one person?

I call bullshit on that figure, especially if the person is actually trying to say there were an equivalent number of documents to 1/4 of the contents of the library of congress.

I will not refute someone was ordered to destroy documents. But the number is sensationalized.


MrS

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Originally posted by Streakfury Why would they do that? I mean, it would only add fuel to the fire of all these conspiracy theorists about how 9/11 is another great cover-up.

I'm not really interested in conspiracy theories but if you've familiar with any of the arguments presented against the official version of events it so fucking obvious the official story is a complete whitewash. Plus, the reasons/motivation that the authorities gave for the attacks we're also a load of crock. "They hate us/our freedom/are depraved opponents of civilization itself."

EDIT: I've been up all night and quit smoking recently and am trying to get linux to work, so no hostility intended.

Does anyone know if author (and former NBC News producer) Daniel Hopsicker has ever been sued over his book? It seems like it contains a load of information regarding Atta, but I'm curious if anyone has ever come after him in regards to any sort of libel case.

http://www.madcowprod.com/08172005.html

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/mod...article&sid=639

http://pierrejoubert.blogspot.com/2...terrorland.html

http://www.democraticunderground.co...ess=104x1433886

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel 2.5 Terabytes of documents on one person? I call bullshit on that figure, especially if the person is actually trying to say there were an equivalent number of documents to 1/4 of the contents of the library of congress. I will not refute someone was ordered to destroy documents. But the number is sensationalized. MrS

Maybe they had a load of digital images in RAW format, along with video footage in there?

2.5TB does seem like an unusually large file, but you also have to keep in mind that, according to James Banford's 1982 book, The Puzzle Palace: A Report on America's Most Secret Agency, the NSA has over 12 acres worth of underground computers at Fort Meade - which are constantly crunching and storing data (on just about every one of us.) He also reported that in 1978 the NSA controlled 68,000 people to listen in on the world's communications, analyze satellite eavesdropping systems, and develop and break codes. Numerous listening posts are spread around the globe, and 40 tons of classified documents are sent to the shredder each day. (and that was back in 1978!)

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Maybe they had a load of digital images in RAW format, along with video footage in there? 2.5TB does seem like an unusually large file, but you also have to keep in mind that, according to James Banford's 1982 book, The Puzzle Palace: A Report on America's Most Secret Agency, the NSA has over 12 acres worth of underground computers at Fort Meade - which are constantly crunching and storing data (on just about every one of us.) He also reported that in 1978 the NSA controlled 68,000 people to listen in on the world's communications, analyze satellite eavesdropping systems, and develop and break codes. Numerous listening posts are spread around the globe, and 40 tons of classified documents are sent to the shredder each day. (and that was back in 1978!)

Video can take up 2.5 TB very easily, in uncompressed high-res format. Heck, uncompressed HDTV can take about 200 GB for like 30 minutes, or even more.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm not really interested in conspiracy theories but if you've familiar with any of the arguments presented against the official version of events it so fucking obvious the official story is a complete whitewash. Plus, the reasons/motivation that the authorities gave for the attacks we're also a load of crock. "They hate us/our freedom/are depraved opponents of civilization itself." EDIT: I've been up all night and quit smoking recently and am trying to get linux to work, so no hostility intended.

None taken.

I don't believe all the conspiracy theories either, but then there is always going to be information that's withheld from the public with events like that, so there will always be people who scream blue murder. Meh, let them get on with it, I say.

ABC news and all the big ones, including Fox, is saying that this person will testify next week before a Senate Judiciary Committee on who ordered the destruction and when. when, being the operative word here.

so lets keep an eye on it.

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Originally posted by Streakfury Meh, let them get on with it, I say.

Ignorance is bliss.

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Originally posted by Q5echo so lets keep an eye on it.

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Originally posted by ali92 Video can take up 2.5 TB very easily, in uncompressed high-res format. Heck, uncompressed HDTV can take about 200 GB for like 30 minutes, or even more.

Even though i have my doubts if people in american inteligence agencies have any inteligence at all im rather certain that they employ at least one geek that knows how to use a divx encoder

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Originally posted by Moongoose Even though i have my doubts if people in american inteligence agencies have any inteligence at all im rather certain that they employ at least one geek that knows how to use a divx encoder

You do realise divx isn't perfect If you want the best quality you shouldnt encode it, so it's probably a good idea to keep it in raw format if you have lots of resources like these guys

Anyway, that's fucking interesting!!!

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Originally posted by St_Andrew You do realise divx isn't perfect If you want the best quality you shouldnt encode it, so it's probably a good idea to keep it in raw format if you have lots of resources like these guys Anyway, that's fucking interesting!!!

Yes. This is very true. Lossy encoders have artefacts in the files, no matter how high the bitrate or resolution, and they get rid of stuff that supposedly can't be seen with the naked eye, within normal viewing range for films or TV programmes, and are resonable settinsg for the average viewer. The kind of applications military uses video for, are far from what can be considered 'normal' when contrasted with consumer technology.

I always knew clinton was responsible ...

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Originally posted by Streakfury Why would they do that? I mean, it would only add fuel to the fire of all these conspiracy theorists about how 9/11 is another great cover-up.

From my understanding, able danger not only spied on potential terrorists, but also spied on US citizens. This is of course, extremely illegal for a military intellgience service and prompted its shutdown. A double edged sword if you will ...

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Intrigue Over Able Danger Grows Updated: Thursday, Sep. 1, 2005 - 6:32 AM WTOP's J.J. Green looks into how Able Danger altered careers. J.J. Green, federalnewsradio.com WASHINGTON - The Pentagon appears to have reversed its position on Able Danger, the Army intelligence collection team. A Pentagon spokesman now says "there's no reason to doubt the specific recollections" of the growing number of team members. The team members say the project had pre-Sept. 11 intelligence on al Qaida, which Defense Department lawyers prohibited them from sharing with the FBI. Members of the team say they identified the lead Sept. 11 terrorist Mohamed Atta as a cell leader more than a year before the attacks on the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. "You could touch the picture and literally drill down and it would give you all the facts that we had from whatever source we had, we identified our sources and then why we had made a link," says defense contractor J.D. Smith, describing how Able Danger's computer software program worked. The team collected and analyzed information gathered by the "deep" data mining operation. Smith says data was gathered from a variety of sources, including about 30 or 40 individuals, but one day it all came to a grinding halt. So why did that happen? "The I.G. (inspector general) came in and shut down the operation because of a claim that we were collecting information on U.S citizens," says Smith. It turned out to be more than just a claim. "On some of my charts I had links to U.S citizens," he says. Smith notes that it's illegal for the military to collect intelligence on U.S. citizens. Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa., has alleged a Pentagon coverup regarding Able Danger and is seeking congressional hearings on the matter. Weldon has said coverup will "shake the country to its roots." (Copyright 2005 by WTOP. All Rights Reserved.)

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Originally posted by occrider I always knew clinton was responsible ...

For that stain on your dress?

Ya I figured he was too.






MrS

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Originally posted by occrider From my understanding, able danger not only spied on potential terrorists, but also spied on US citizens. This is of course, extremely illegal for a military intellgience service and prompted its shutdown. A double edged sword if you will ...

And Able Danger was only one of many gov't. programs that were deemed to be illegal. It would be nice if people could learn these things so that I wouldn't have to constantly be dealing with naive, uninformed kids on here, but I do realize that's a lot to ask.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Interesting post, Trancer. I kinda wonder if the tin foil hat could be worn by either party. Some Rightside tin foilers might claim some Clintonites might have covered this up a little bit, considering it was from 2 yrs. prior to 9/11. Like I said, it'll be interesting to see how far this goes...

On another note, I actually upgraded from the tinfoil hat a little while ago. I'm currently testing the new "mind guard" software beta on my Linux box - and I've been having some great success with it!

Check it:
http://zapatopi.net/mindguard/

wtf Trancer

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Originally posted by josh4 wtf Trancer

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