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Posted by Vlad on Sep-17-2005 05:08:

Wire Tap all Mosque's? Yes or No?

It was the topic of discussion on a radio show I listen to, what do yall think?


Posted by Dupz on Sep-17-2005 06:01:

yes.... only if the same is done to churches, synagogues and what not..

but honestly, have people lost their fukn minds or what??


Posted by Vlad on Sep-17-2005 06:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Dupz
yes.... only if the same is done to churches, synagogues and what not..

but honestly, have people lost their fukn minds or what??



I agree, it makes it even.

Lost their minds in what sense?


Posted by Lepanto on Sep-17-2005 07:17:

Maybe.


Posted by MrSquirrel on Sep-17-2005 07:32:

No to wiretaps.

Yes to making all religious institutions no longer tax exempt. If they want a say in government they need to start forking over some dough to help pay for it.


MrS


Posted by shaolin_Z on Sep-17-2005 10:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Dupz
but honestly, have people lost their fukn minds or what??


Yeah, seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? Let them take away all your privacy, liberties, and rights while they're at it.

*shakes head*


Posted by George Smiley on Sep-17-2005 11:26:

We should have TV screens on the walls of every building in the country and they must be monitored at all times!


Posted by Lepanto on Sep-17-2005 12:40:

I thought we were at war and should look out for ourselves. Guess not.


Posted by St_Andrew on Sep-17-2005 12:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Lepanto
I thought we were at war and should look out for ourselves. Guess not.


Yeah wiretapping every mosque in america would probably make the muslims a lot more friendly towards you!

Also, what the hell happend to living in a free country?! That idea is just insane, and anyone who even think that it's worth discussion should be lynched


Posted by Lepanto on Sep-17-2005 13:07:

On contrary, shows that you don't know much. During wars rules change. Things like treason come into effect. But you know more about the US than the people who live here ofcourse.

And, yes I'm sure our gov't wants our "enemy" more friendly towards us.


Posted by Streakfury on Sep-17-2005 13:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
It was the topic of discussion on a radio show I listen to, what do yall think?


Well, although you'd get a lot of people saying that tapping phone lines etc would infringe on human rights in some way, I still think it would be a good idea. If it wasn't such a widely known fact that Mosques are used to recruit terrorists and show propaganda to Muslims on a mass scale, I'd suggest tapping the phone lines of other religious buildings too, such as churches and synagogues. But until it's shown that churches and synagogues are also being used for the same illegitimate purposes, they should be left alone.


Posted by Lepanto on Sep-17-2005 13:10:

Vlad the show you were listening to wouldn't happen to be Howard Stern would it? Because I heard that as well and...IT'S HOWARD STERN..


Also, by wire tapping do you mean it's done legally or through the Homeland Security?


Posted by Dupz on Sep-17-2005 13:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Lepanto
On contrary, shows that you don't know much. During wars rules change. Things like treason come into effect. But you know more about the US than the people who live here ofcourse.

And, yes I'm sure our gov't wants our "enemy" more friendly towards us.


I thought you yanks are fighting a war on terrorism.. not on Islam..


Posted by St_Andrew on Sep-17-2005 13:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Lepanto
On contrary, shows that you don't know much. During wars rules change. Things like treason come into effect. But you know more about the US than the people who live here ofcourse.


To be honest, many times it seems like I do.

quote:
And, yes I'm sure our gov't wants our "enemy" more friendly towards us.


Why wouldn't you want your enemy more friendly towards you? That's the fucking best thing that could happen to you.

Also, why do you think it's so easy recruiting suecide bombers, even in countries like the UK. Is it because you don't have enough wiretappers? Or is it perhaps because they are sick and tierd of your way of always getting on the muslims? Think about it. Perhaps your "hardline" is having opposite effect? Ever thought about that?


Posted by Lepanto on Sep-17-2005 13:17:

No, not really. Also, last time I checked they brought the war to the WESTERN WORLD. Sorry to say that the US was the only one along with the UK who had balls to actually do something about it unlike the UN who are a bunch of bitches. And you know what's funny? You could debate all you want but at the end of the way whose way is ACTUALLY HAPPENING?

Thin line between Islamd and terrorism nowdays.


Edit: Streak didn't think it was a bad idea either and as long as one person agrees with an idea it has room to grow.


No one said it's a good idea but it's a damn justified one.


Posted by shaolin_Z on Sep-17-2005 13:25:

Lepanto, you are insane. I've rarely seen/sensed the kind of hostility you have towards Muslims on the TA forums.


Posted by Lepanto on Sep-17-2005 13:26:

quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Lepanto, you are insane. I've rarely seen/sensed the kind of hostility you have towards Muslims on the TA forums.


That's cause i don't have any towards Muslims in the very least. I do towards extremists however who are being recruited in Mosques and who take refuge in Mosques like Streak mentioned on the previous page.


Posted by Dupz on Sep-17-2005 13:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Lepanto
No, not really. Also, last time I checked they brought the war to the WESTERN WORLD. Sorry to say that the US was the only one along with the UK who had balls to actually do something about it unlike the UN who are a bunch of bitches. And you know what's funny? You could debate all you want but at the end of the way whose way is ACTUALLY HAPPENING?

Thin line between Islamd and terrorism nowdays.


Edit: Streak didn't think it was a bad idea either and as long as one person agrees with an idea it has room to grow.


No one said it's a good idea but it's a damn justified one.


oh yeah, the US was attacked for absolutely NOOOO reason.. good one.. Perhaps check your country's foreign policies pre-9/11 and see why the world hates the US. The US isnt as innocent as they lead themselves to believe, my friend. (and no, that does not give justification for what those extremists have done to the US.. so dont start flaming people)

and if you believe that there's a thin line between Islam and terrorism then I'm sorry to say that you've been watching too much television. Again, us poor little Christians over here claim to be victimised by Islamic terrorism yet we sit ignorantly in the comfort of our homes while Christian fundamentalists perpetrate exactly what we are trying to combat. There's a fine line between Christianity and terrorism too buddy..


Posted by Lepanto on Sep-17-2005 13:28:

Please explain how there's a huge difference between REAL Islam not something your dumb ass would read online, the way it's practiced today in the Middle East and terrorism. Not going to find too much, BUDDY Don't watch too much TV but I could see you spend too much time on PDD forums.

Like I've said, at the end of the day the world rotates the way I describe it not the way your bleeding heart wants it to


Posted by shaolin_Z on Sep-17-2005 13:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Lepanto
That's cause i don't have any towards Muslims in the very least. I do towards extremists however who are being recruited in Mosques and who take refuge in Mosques like Streak mentioned on the previous page.


You just said, twice, that's there's a thin line between Islam and terrorism. Well I'm Muslim, and am far more familiar with "real" Islam than you. I wonder, would you have been a Nazi 50 yrs ago?

EDIT: Not to mention that you just suggested wiretapping mosques would be a good idea.


Posted by Dupz on Sep-17-2005 13:35:

Look, fine... Probe the mosques as much as you like and then have another whinge when local muslims and middle-eastern extremists start suicide bombing all over the place..

It's not the solution to the problem of security. It's all part of a process that will lead to isolation of those moderate muslims in the community.. and you could bet your bottom dollar that they're not going to become more moderate as a result.


Posted by St_Andrew on Sep-17-2005 13:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Lepanto
Edit: Streak didn't think it was a bad idea either and as long as one person agrees with an idea it has room to grow.


More than one person on this earth think that nuking the US would be a good idea. Does that mean it's a good idea too?

And as everyone has said here, the only thing it will lead to is more hate towards the US/UK/whoever imposes it. How is that so hard to understand?


Posted by shaolin_Z on Sep-17-2005 13:44:

@ St_Andrew: I'm trying to PM you but your mailbox is full. Lemme know when you free up a spot.


Posted by St_Andrew on Sep-17-2005 13:55:

quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
@ St_Andrew: I'm trying to PM you but your mailbox is full. Lemme know when you free up a spot.


Try now, sorry for that


Posted by shaolin_Z on Sep-17-2005 13:57:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
Try now, sorry for that


Done, no biggie.


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