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Posted by richg101 on Sep-18-2005 11:42:

do professional dj's mime?

i find it hard to belive how good and faultless a lot of dj's mixes are...

i struggle to get studio quality mixes when playing live. at least one track goes off during two hours... but at home my mix discs sound as crisp as a commercial mix compilation.


what are the chances that a lot of dj's just 'act' out their mixing while a hidden prerecorded disc is playing?

ps. this aint trying to ruffle anyones feathers. im just curious


Posted by sleepydragon on Sep-18-2005 11:46:

on bigger soundsystems its harder to hear mistakes anyway proffesional djs do make plenty of mistakes its just that u dont hear most of them


Posted by wee_rooney on Sep-18-2005 11:49:

Re: do professional dj's mime?

quote:
Originally posted by richg101
i find it hard to belive how good and faultless a lot of dj's mixes are...

i struggle to get studio quality mixes when playing live. at least one track goes off during two hours... but at home my mix discs sound as crisp as a commercial mix compilation.


what are the chances that a lot of dj's just 'act' out their mixing while a hidden prerecorded disc is playing?

ps. this aint trying to ruffle anyones feathers. im just curious


i take it these "mix discs" dont include any Tiesto sets


Posted by richg101 on Sep-18-2005 11:52:

i guess a quicker mix doesnt show up as much... but i always notice when my mixes dont sound 'perfect' on a big system. i have played on a 30k rig in a 2500 capacity club. i been mixing for longer than ferry corsten but i still dont think my mixes sound great out live. his do tho... its probably just me noticing my own mistakes too much.


Posted by shades_of_gray on Sep-18-2005 11:54:

yes, the booming soundsystem of a club, does spare alot of dj's blushes


Posted by richg101 on Sep-18-2005 11:54:

Re: Re: do professional dj's mime?

quote:
Originally posted by wee_rooney
i take it these "mix discs" dont include any Tiesto sets



a great point! and it reminded me of something.

dj tiesto- live innercity rai amsterdam 1999! this is apparently live mixed but every mix is perfect! anyone know what i mean?


Posted by sleepydragon on Sep-18-2005 11:55:

thats probably cose ur the one doing the mixing ur listening for the mistakes and correcting if need be the people on the dance floor more than likely wont be aware of ur mistakes


Posted by Trance Nutter on Sep-18-2005 12:37:

Re: Re: Re: do professional dj's mime?

quote:
Originally posted by richg101
a great point! and it reminded me of something.

dj tiesto- live innercity rai amsterdam 1999! this is apparently live mixed but every mix is perfect! anyone know what i mean?


The CD is mastered.

Theres a video going around of the event and his first mix is an all time shocker. Listen to the CD, not so.


Posted by richg101 on Sep-18-2005 12:53:

i might have guessed!

that cd is truly a work of art. not one non standout track!

fav: orbital velocity; the last voyage! never seen this for sale anywhere


thats shattered my respect a bit for the cd now.


Posted by Trance Nutter on Sep-18-2005 13:11:

I believe the t/l is the same, the set is basically the same. Just some of the mistakes have been fixed up (or at least the first mix)


Posted by JFernie on Sep-18-2005 15:48:

the tiesto cd was re recorded in the studio of course, i couple of tracks are in different positions compared to the live set as well, its still a great cd though


Posted by CleverName on Sep-19-2005 15:34:

When I saw Oakenfold spin at Space 3/9/04 I swear I saw him getting a drink or chatting up some girls or something when I heard the next song queuing up. But he was back fast enough to not really have any hard evidence


Posted by T-Soma on Sep-19-2005 23:39:

Once when i made a mix cd all was going well except one or two tracks didnt mix well so i remixed them and cut and paste it into the mix. But if your saying to pre-record a set and play live then although iv neva played live its a definite no no.


Posted by fr3sh on Sep-20-2005 04:24:

honestly for a dj to really truly fake a performance would be more work than doing it live

if he was being watched by someone who knows something about djing... this mime dj would have to fade in at the exact same time as the pre recorded mix... eq at the same time... swap basslines at the same time

and on and on and on

if i found out that any dj (professional or not) was "miming" his/her performance i would be personally offended
and if word got out that a professional dj did something like that... it would put the integrity of this industry under great scrutiny and question

people would start doubting the credibility of this phenomenon of the "superstar dj"


Posted by sr126 on Sep-20-2005 06:44:

you will hear your mix unravel in headphones before the crowd hears it over the speaker system when mixing live. no mater how loud it is. therefore you will alwasy have a small 'cushion'. if you record yourself mixing, and there was a part where you struggled, play that part on your stereo. unless you really messed up, it will not sound as bad as you remembered it. listen to that section again through your headphones, and you will notice your mistakes more than you did when you listened to it out the speakers just a couple of moments before.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-20-2005 07:49:

this reminds me of the time i saw oakenfold last year.. or maybe the year before..? anyways

he was mixing so/so.. no trainwrecks.. and one time during the set he sat back and threw out the god pose.. (i know everyone talks shit and says he throws it out all the time, but i'm serious) and no joke, while he was standing there, hands away from the decks, the song transitioned to the next one.

at the time, i thought, "wow! he beatmatched and programmed the tracks so well that he didn't even have to correct or eq to pull off that transition!!!"

but now that i think about it... he could have very well just busted out a mix cd. i can't remember for sure, i was pretty fucked up..

and anyways, he ended up start/stopping TWICE! that night.. and then he left the stage abruptly a half hour early. it was an odd night.


Posted by fr3sh on Sep-20-2005 07:55:

maybe he had the runs

lol

anyway i suppose it is possible to do a "full" transition with no hands

provided they are beatmatched

it would have to be an instance where (for example) the incoming track was at "full eq" and the outgoing track was equed appropriately so the tracks sounded nice together
now... if the outgoing track was on an outro where the track fades out phrase by phrase in its original form it could very well seem like what you just described

either that or he played a pre-recorded mix


Posted by wee_rooney on Sep-20-2005 10:30:

there was rumours goin about that he uses cd's with about 3 songs mixed together on each cd, so he only has to mix them every 3 songs!

dont know if theres any truth behind it though.



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