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Posted by lucas ss on Sep-18-2005 21:53:

pitch change on techs?

so sometimes when i have a track beatmatched and stopped while i eq etc.....then i cue it up and start it and i line up the beats but it sometimes the pitch is off up to 0.5%. i have heard of techs changing pitch when the tonearm is near the spindle but i've only heard that once. i know some songs tracks change pitch but it seems too consistent for that. anyone else experience this?

do you resort to beatmatching while queueing up the track? i don't like doing this with tracks i'm unfamiliar with....

Posted by richg101 on Sep-18-2005 22:15:

it sounds like your tt's are playing up to me. have you used then long? something like this happens with my vestax pdx-d3's. i think they are faulty but they seem fine when i play two copies of the same track on them...

if you are not used to the decks it may just seem like they are off because of the way you cue up/slow/speed up a track during mixing? im not sure.. sounds like there is a problem tho..

Posted by Nikolas Vaughn on Sep-19-2005 14:47:

I get the same prob with techs... hate using them..

Cue it up, all is good.. go for a mix n then gotta either hold the platter while mixing or adjusting the pitch inbetween a mix..

Happend 2 weeks ago at a comp... really fucked me off

Posted by richg101 on Sep-19-2005 21:59:

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Originally posted by Nikolas Vaughn
I get the same prob with techs... hate using them..

Cue it up, all is good.. go for a mix n then gotta either hold the platter while mixing or adjusting the pitch inbetween a mix..

Happend 2 weeks ago at a comp... really fucked me off

i understand exactly what you mean! but its happening with my vestax d-3's. have you used direct drive for long? its taken me four years to get used to going from soundlab belts to vestax directs and i still cant get it right like i could with the old belts.

whats wrong with my decks?

Posted by Nikolas Vaughn on Sep-19-2005 22:27:

They maybe need a service... or the tonearm weight might be set wrong, thats what i been told anyways so maybe look into it

Posted by sayang on Sep-20-2005 03:26:

I mix on my cdj's so much it is now hard for me to beatmatch on tech's

Posted by fr3sh on Sep-20-2005 03:33:

yep same thing happens for me too

i almost always have to slightly ride the pitch on my tech 1200's... not even a year old... got em brand new

usually towards the end of the record it changes tempo for whatever reason

i find that the cdj's are alot more consistent

but if it is really the TT that is at fault... when i end up spending the time to back up my vinyl for use on my cdj's then i will be riding the pitch on the cdjs as well and i sure don't want to have to do that if i don't have to

i guess i will just get some new ones and see if it still happens

Posted by sr126 on Sep-20-2005 07:07:

.05%????

are you sure you're using 12's instead of tech beltdrives??? -it sound like a problem you would have w/beltdrives -i know i did.

i think mine have tweaked like that before, but then again i was still getting used to the feel of the TT. i remember correcting, about .05% then putting the pitch slider back to where it was (or so i thought) and totally wrecked my mix, and had to match it again on the fly, and it turned out to match about.05% slower than my original setting.

one thing that happens to me sometimes (mostly while beatmatching, or when i drop a record wrong) is that i when i kick the slider, i put it back in the wrong place. say it was originally set at -4.5 and i kick the slider and set it to -3.5 or something...

Posted by Stu Cox on Sep-20-2005 13:09:

You've just got to realise that Technics aren't the perfect decks people make them out to be. Still better than any of the others though

Personally I tend to end up riding the pitch most the way through the mix anyway, but that's partly because I rarely beatmatch it perfectly in the first place.

I've got to say I've never noticed a pitch fluctuation as the needle nears the spindle, but I know techs (mk2 particularly) can be a bit variable around 0 and +/-8%... it's just one of those things that you just end up working around when you've been using them for so long - not ideal I know.

Posted by Zild on Sep-20-2005 14:56:

I always have to make little corrections while mixing on techs. It's normal. Maybe that's why PvD has been using CDJs with SSL.

Posted by fr3sh on Sep-21-2005 21:52:

yeah i just recorded some of my vinyls as wavs and i mixed with them on my cdjs recently

and yeah there are tempo fluctuations

with digital files i will have them matched and they will stay matched for a long time with no correction sometimes like 3 min

but with these tracks (vinyls backed up digitally) i do have to correct in the mix slightly just like when i use vinyl normally

meh... guess thats just the way it is

Posted by sayang on Sep-21-2005 23:07:

Mixing cd's are much easier, if i had the tracks on vinyl it would have the same problem you're having.....i think it happens to everyone

Posted by Zild on Sep-21-2005 23:25:

Yeah it happens to everyoue. You have to get used to it and making little corrections as you go.

Posted by richg101 on Sep-23-2005 00:02:

if a tt is quartz controlled then it shouldnt fluctuate by 0.5%. thats absolutely crazy! its either a faulty deck or the track has been cut onto vinyl with a fluctuation in it... a wow and flutter of 0.01/0.02 (depending on which tech deck your using) is pretty much as accurate as a cdj1000. 0.02 flutter aint gonna produce a change of 0.5%! it has to be a problem with when a deck's motor is turned off. or the tt must be faulty. but how can turning the motor off affect the voltage that reaches it?