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Posted by f0s_man on Sep-21-2005 06:15:

Soundproofing

Didn't find anything on the search...
Eh I was wondering if anybody has got any tips on Soundproofing. CHEAP way.. i mean, other than living in a vaccum... are there like materials that i can pick up from the local hardware store or even better from the dump pile? I was told that egg crates make good insulation.. ideas?


Posted by dj chex on Sep-21-2005 07:15:

There's also the dark grey soft-foam that is used as packaging. It seems very simular to auralex soundproofing foam. Coming to think about it, years ago when i worked at baskin-robbins, they used that type of foam for padding for their waffle cones. They probably still do that, so you actually might wanna call a store manager and ask if you can have some of that foam when they're gonna discard it.


Posted by wee_rooney on Sep-21-2005 10:17:

you can also use fibre-glass or concrete!
fibre-glass would be ur best bet i recon.


Posted by the_rev_jt on Sep-21-2005 12:02:

how about putting carpets on the wall?egg crates could be a good tempory solution but carpets would be better.


Posted by the_rev_jt on Sep-21-2005 12:02:

how about putting carpets on the wall?egg crates could be a good tempory solution or matress foam maybe?


Posted by wee_rooney on Sep-21-2005 12:56:

a thick carpet might work, give it a go an see what happens

polystirene(sp?) would be better i think, u can get big sheets of it pretty cheap, but if uv got some spare carpet then give it a go.


Posted by Trance Nutter on Sep-21-2005 13:04:

theres a foam, I think its what chex was getting at. Its a spongy stuff thats flat on one side and has a wave/pockmarked pattern on the other. Stick that stuff up and it should work a treat. Go down to your local rubber store, as soon as you see it you'll know what I'm talking about.


Looks like this



Or just ask for Acoustic foam, they should know what it is.


Posted by f0s_man on Sep-21-2005 15:33:

So egg crates do work eh?.. well i'm living in a dorm/apartment kinda thing, so it's a temporary thing. I graduate in about 7 months.. need something temporary..:-P

The foam thingy, it kinda looks like the ones that we put between the bedsheet and the mattress.. kinda like mattress foam?

I was wondering.. styrofoam isn't gonna work will it???

Also, the same cardboard-y material that separate the oranges/apples in crates.. you know those purple ones or whatever colors they come in, they're kinda similar to egg crates.. will those work?


Posted by Bass Camp on Sep-21-2005 16:29:

Check out:
http://www.soundprooffoam.com/


Posted by Zack Roth on Sep-21-2005 17:54:

I just got through soundproofing my closet and I used a few different methods...all very cheap. I actually work in a resuarant, so I asked them to put aside their egg cartons and those work well. I'd say I used about 40 or so. I also went to The Rag Shop and they sell all types of foam rangin in thickness. I used 4 inch foam on the walls that I shared with neighbors as well as parts of the cieling, and 2 inch foam for the concrete walls and less problematic areas.

Another really great buy that i wish I came across earlier was this mattress foam that I found at K-mart....here's a picture of it... a King size bed piece of it was like 16.99 and it works great. Its the bumpy yellow stuff on the right hand side...


Posted by CosmoKid on Sep-21-2005 18:47:

quote:
Originally posted by zizack
I just got through soundproofing my closet and I used a few different methods...all very cheap. I actually work in a resuarant, so I asked them to put aside their egg cartons and those work well. I'd say I used about 40 or so. I also went to The Rag Shop and they sell all types of foam rangin in thickness. I used 4 inch foam on the walls that I shared with neighbors as well as parts of the cieling, and 2 inch foam for the concrete walls and less problematic areas.

Another really great buy that i wish I came across earlier was this mattress foam that I found at K-mart....here's a picture of it... a King size bed piece of it was like 16.99 and it works great. Its the bumpy yellow stuff on the right hand side...



Zack,

How did you incorporate the "set of 20 hangars" on the floor?


Posted by richg101 on Sep-21-2005 20:14:

you could put up some old curtains around the room just using a temporary fixing method. the eggbox foam would be great but its really expensive. i take it your trying to minimise standing waves/echos and not isolate sound? any thick curtainy fabric will absorb echos and you ll get a more studio sound on the cheap.

just an idea


Posted by jupiterone on Sep-21-2005 20:24:

quote:
Originally posted by CosmoKid
Zack,

How did you incorporate the "set of 20 hangars" on the floor?



dude those hangers are f'ing sweet.


Posted by sayang on Sep-21-2005 21:16:

HELP!!

I live in an end unit townhouse, my setup is in my room which is the basement. I have a window, and sliding glass doors, and 1 wall is shared by the neighbors basement as well, what exactly should I do?

It's like this:

__ppppp____________oooooooooo_x
__________setup_______________x
______________________________x
______________________________x
______________________________x

p = window
o = sliding glass doors
x = wall connected to neighbors basement



Any help would be greatly appreciated


Posted by f0s_man on Sep-22-2005 03:37:

basically.. i just wanna dull the volume so that i don't get "noise violations" .... but come to think of it.. egg cartons and sponge aren't the most fire-retardant materials around either... hmmm... noise violation or building integrity violation.... ahh shucks..


Posted by preloaded on Sep-22-2005 06:41:

Egg cartons are only really good for absorbing and deflecting high frequency waves but does little to absorb the lower frequency energy that will shake the walls thus pissing off neighbors.

Best bet would be to move you speakers off the floor and away from room corners and 90 degree angles where walls meet other walls, ceilings, and floors.

Acoustic foam (although higly flammable in most cases) is your best friend and corner blocks (bass traps) help immensly.


Posted by antronx on Oct-01-2005 02:46:

i used 2'x3' gray convoluted foam sheets from www.uline.com for soundproofing my garage studio.

pic1

and

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go to http://www.uline.com/Browse_Listing_863.asp
there you can order them. Buy S-6438 24 x 36 x 2" option, because you'll get maximum square footage per dollar. It cost me around $80 for a minimum order of 2'x3' foam sheets. You will get a box with 18 sheets. That's 108 square feet of soundproofing. As compared to Auralex stuff sold at major retailers, you get 96sq.ft. for $279. ofcourse Auralex looks better and you can choose colors, it costs $2.9 per foot, when uline stuff is only $0.74 per foot...

Note that Auralex has sharp cones and regular foam doesnot, i personally don't think sharp edges make a lot of difference, but i can say, when i compare my studio before and after, there is dramatic reduction in echo. I can actually hear my monitors better.
You can glue them to the walls using foam adhesive, or non-toxic glue sold in many home improvement stores. make sure the glue don't dissolve away the foam...
You will love your room after you put those up!

If you are not trying to kill ambient echo in your room, but trying to isolate it, so other people in the house don't hear your boom, studio foam woun't help you much, it doesnot reduce bass frequencies, and your room will sound bassier, because most of highs and mids will be reduced by the foam. This will make your tiny speakers sound like bigger ones. You will need to either build extra walls inside your room and fill them with concrete, or build brick walls around your room in order to contain those lows. But the foam does help a little. contrary to concrete idea, you could research more on "basstraps" i heard those seem to help.


Posted by Abhay on Oct-03-2005 03:37:

quote:
Originally posted by zizack
I just got through soundproofing my closet and I used a few different methods...all very cheap. I actually work in a resuarant, so I asked them to put aside their egg cartons and those work well. I'd say I used about 40 or so. I also went to The Rag Shop and they sell all types of foam rangin in thickness. I used 4 inch foam on the walls that I shared with neighbors as well as parts of the cieling, and 2 inch foam for the concrete walls and less problematic areas.

Another really great buy that i wish I came across earlier was this mattress foam that I found at K-mart....here's a picture of it... a King size bed piece of it was like 16.99 and it works great. Its the bumpy yellow stuff on the right hand side...



woww....

I really wish i had that set of 20 coat hangers. THat's some real nice piece of equipment


Posted by Keith Chambers on Oct-04-2005 18:33:

quote:
Originally posted by zizack
I just got through soundproofing my closet and I used a few different methods...all very cheap. I actually work in a resuarant, so I asked them to put aside their egg cartons and those work well. I'd say I used about 40 or so. I also went to The Rag Shop and they sell all types of foam rangin in thickness. I used 4 inch foam on the walls that I shared with neighbors as well as parts of the cieling, and 2 inch foam for the concrete walls and less problematic areas.

Another really great buy that i wish I came across earlier was this mattress foam that I found at K-mart....here's a picture of it... a King size bed piece of it was like 16.99 and it works great. Its the bumpy yellow stuff on the right hand side...


With all you've spent on gear I would think you would drop a couple hundred so you actually have a useable setup. I can't decide if your setup shows dedication or mental retardation.

I'm just giving you shit but I can look at it and quickly see much better ways to set stuff up. Now I know why my parents always wanted my closet clean! Next time you post a pic of your closet I want to see a clean setup young man!


Posted by Zack Roth on Oct-04-2005 18:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Keith Chambers
With all you've spent on gear I would think you would drop a couple hundred so you actually have a useable setup. I can't decide if your setup shows dedication or mental retardation.

I'm just giving you shit but I can look at it and quickly see much better ways to set stuff up. Now I know why my parents always wanted my closet clean! Next time you post a pic of your closet I want to see a clean setup young man!


Its very usable. And dropping a couple of hundred on new furniture isn't the easiest thing to do when you just move into a new apartment.

If you think you could set up that stuff better, I'm all ears.

The main problem is placing the monitors.


Posted by Abhay on Oct-05-2005 14:42:

OK...

like i live in a shared student accomodation, and have similar problems. I think my latest project is gonna be to turn my room into a mini-nightclub lol.

THe thing is, it's all good to have cheap stuff like eggcrates, styro-foam, and blankets/rugs, all of which work well, but the problem is hanging them up on the wall.

I can't just staple gun and nail stuff all over the room's wall and door and say, LOOK! I SOUNDPROOFED MY ROOM!

How to get around that?


Posted by Allied Nations on Oct-05-2005 15:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Abhay
OK...

like i live in a shared student accomodation, and have similar problems. I think my latest project is gonna be to turn my room into a mini-nightclub lol.

THe thing is, it's all good to have cheap stuff like eggcrates, styro-foam, and blankets/rugs, all of which work well, but the problem is hanging them up on the wall.

I can't just staple gun and nail stuff all over the room's wall and door and say, LOOK! I SOUNDPROOFED MY ROOM!

How to get around that?


double sided tape?


Posted by antronx on Oct-06-2005 23:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Abhay
OK...

like i live in a shared student accomodation, and have similar problems. I think my latest project is gonna be to turn my room into a mini-nightclub lol.

THe thing is, it's all good to have cheap stuff like eggcrates, styro-foam, and blankets/rugs, all of which work well, but the problem is hanging them up on the wall.

I can't just staple gun and nail stuff all over the room's wall and door and say, LOOK! I SOUNDPROOFED MY ROOM!

How to get around that?


Put 8'x10' rugs on your walls. You will need to nail them to the wall. 2 nails per rug is not going to hurt. Check out local supermarkets like walmart or kmart. Dude, you are not going to have a nice soundproofed room in a college dorm without doing heavy construction project. I've been in a dorm before and those walls are shitiest ones when it comes to sound isolation. You'll just have to get a house of your own to turn it to mini nightclub... You don't have many choices in a dorm. Other thing is theft.. I would not want my roommate invite friends over and take/mess up my equipment.. Again, soundproof studio on a dorm just not gonna happen...


Posted by altitude on Oct-07-2005 19:00:

soundproofing is not cheap. don't half ass it--egg cartons and old matress foam? comon boys. if you want to mess with sound, you have to do it right.

there is really no way to stop the lower frequencys with foam(a 20hz wave is about 26ft long), you have to use sheetblocking and floated walls(aka expensive)


you want a cheap solution?

get some good heaphones.


not trying to come off as an asshole, but I've done my research! living around other people and liking loud music is not a fun combination!


Posted by lucas ss on Oct-07-2005 19:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Keith Chambers
With all you've spent on gear I would think you would drop a couple hundred so you actually have a useable setup. I can't decide if your setup shows dedication or mental retardation.

I'm just giving you shit but I can look at it and quickly see much better ways to set stuff up. Now I know why my parents always wanted my closet clean! Next time you post a pic of your closet I want to see a clean setup young man!


lol

yeah, it'd be a bitch to pitchblend on those turntables...and tehn reach way under the shelf to mess w/the gains & whatnot......i'd be bumping my head, knocking stuff over....


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