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Young Business Professionals [situation needs advisement]

Alright, I'm turning to the c0r for a situation which I have yet to determine it's effectiveness. So I'm employed a a fortune 500 publishing company, semi-happy with the mundane work, the pay is decent and it keeps me day to day. But I just got this call from some undisclosed number and the first word exchange left me besides myself.

His first words to me were "Hi, I'm a recruiter, I know you can't talk right now but I wanted to know if you are interested in a Senior Business Analysis/Sales Operations Director Position. Of course I work in both fields currently (you can say junior analysis/sales operations manager) What leaves me more on the sketch is that he called my work number and not my cellphone number. Yea, it could be friends fucking with me, but none are ambitious enough to know what a Big4 is. Yes it could also be a sting operation by my company (who if it is, is probably reading this post right now), but more over, I advised him to email me his contact info to my home address and I'll follow up when possible. How should I take this?

Opportunity knocking at my door? Run and hide because recruiters know jack shit about anything? Find it sketchy that he dials my workline? I'd like your input, but as you can imagine, the call left me with much to be desired. I'm interested...I'm hooked...am I running into a brick wall with my eyes closed?

Don't think about it anymore until you get some so called info at your place. Then you'll be able to know more about the job and take decisions accordingly.

I'd hit the money.

Serious...you should pick the one you're the most comfortable with.

this happens more than you think. my boss had to recruit people to help us expand our operation. my aunt used to work in the field and was actually looking to get back because her boss was being indicted on embezzlement charges so i gave my boss her number and he recruited her. then he did the same thing to several other employees at competing companies. it didnt really matter in the long run because we've pretty much bought out all the competitors in the area.


back to your situation, i would wait and see what this guy has to say and who he is recruiting for. it could be one of those bull shit pyramid scheme companies. and the fact that he called you at your work number doesnt mean much. he might have gotten a list of people with matching job titles and rattled off the list dialing everyone's number.

There is no way your current company can legally fire you for looking for other opportunities. Go ahead and explore all avenues.

you should look into it on your own time and interview if the opportunity comes up.

i've had recruiters call me at work before, but usually it is on my cellphone.

I work for a major cruise line, and believe me when I tell you,
that they use any means neccesary, to find the person who will
fill the shoes they are looking to fill.
It could be that the recruiter asked somebody you knew, if they
knew anyone in the field and they recommended you.
It's happened to a couple of my friends, so I dont discard the possibility.
In any case, if you wanna play it safe - wait for the email info,
and then find out more about the recruiting agency (just in case they're schmucks trying to make a quick buck, and throwing you in the lion's den)
Then proceed and treat it like boxing:
"stick and move kid, stick & move!

i have recruiters call me all the time. when you employ with a public company almost all of your information is given to all 3 credit agencies.

you can pay to the credit agency for whats called a 'farm report' where they can pinpoint specific people in regards to your occupation, yearly income, etc.

i work at a mortgage company and that technique is used a lot. set up a lunch meeting with them and see whats up

proceed but with caution.

like scottaculous said, (hi scott!), they can't do shit if it's some kind of insider job to screw u over.

i mean, if this dude's serious, they'll contact you as you requested, right?

i hope it works out for your bri! keep us updated meng.

You should look into other avenues but remember alot of time recruiters are full of shit.

thanks for the advice, i spoke to him briefly after work yesterday and he says i've been highly referred by my previous boss (ex-vp of sales - he was let go a month after he hired me LOL). the position seem rigorous and demanding in a fast-paced environment leading a team of 8 junior analysis to support a selling division of approximately 45 sales reps within 4 channels. I guess I can practice some SPSS or six sigma, but like any management in analysis work, you need to know the company before you can implement any strategic advancement. especially in business analysis, you need to take external data and compare it to internal data and create a market trend as a baseline to all theories of business. So we went through the dilly-dallying of probing each other, and it seems like the so-called "recruiter" knows his stuff and represents a handful of decently known companies.

i guess its time to just plunge for the interview. i know my shit, i know my business intelligence and sales operation platforms and I can easily implement analytical strategies from my current job to where ever i get placed, just as long as the pay is right. six figures im comin for ya!

D00d, this happens all the time if you work in a competative field. I get calls from head hunters constantly. Normally, they will get your contact information from someone who once worked with you or someone in the industry that knows you or of you and recommends you to them. Chances are this is legit and he's looking to fill a position. If you are interested in making a change then hear the guy out.

Just bear in mind that if you got an email with the text

"Hi, I'm a recruiter, I know you can't talk right now but I wanted to know if you are interested in a Senior Business Analysis/Sales Operations Director Position."

youd delete it straight away.

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Originally posted by THE_Chris Just bear in mind that if you got an email with the text "Hi, I'm a recruiter, I know you can't talk right now but I wanted to know if you are interested in a Senior Business Analysis/Sales Operations Director Position." youd delete it straight away.

why would i delete it? and i didnt get an email, he called my work number lol?

Ill tell you what� I am a Senior Business Intelligence Consultant and I get this ALL THE TIME! My previous clients talk to recruiter�s amongst other things that they work with and once you have a skill that�s in demand then you can plan on getting this type of call about once a month� sometimes more. Just make sure you pick the right one and don�t burn bridges and you�ll see that 6figi in no time. The more places you work the more this will happen.

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Originally posted by dcougar99 Ill tell you what� I am a Senior Business Intelligence Consultant and I get this ALL THE TIME! My previous clients talk to recruiter�s amongst other things that they work with and once you have a skill that�s in demand then you can plan on getting this type of call about once a month� sometimes more. Just make sure you pick the right one and don�t burn bridges and you�ll see that 6figi in no time. The more places you work the more this will happen.

we've talked about this before, I remember =)

Oddly enough after our last conversation I looked into BI and the composition which creates it and I have to honestly say, it's literally something i am interested in. I can use my technical skills and apply it to this field without hesitation and practice a great amount of efficiency. I'm only wondering if I fit an MBA at the end of my name with an MIS BS degree would I make myself a higher candidate for senior business analysis positions/sales operations director plus whatever salary tier it is in. I'd say that's a 2-3yr investment for an extra 50-80K in salary. Interesting...and yes I've ruminated the thought countless times.

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Originally posted by kid nyce we've talked about this before, I remember =) Oddly enough after our last conversation I looked into BI and the composition which creates it and I have to honestly say, it's literally something i am interested in. I can use my technical skills and apply it to this field without hesitation and practice a great amount of efficiency. I'm only wondering if I fit an MBA at the end of my name with an MIS BS degree would I make myself a higher candidate for senior business analysis positions/sales operations director plus whatever salary tier it is in. I'd say that's a 2-3yr investment for an extra 50-80K in salary. Interesting...and yes I've ruminated the thought countless times.

i didnt realize that you were an MIS major, i always thought you were CS. nice to know we have something in common.

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Originally posted by jonze234 i didnt realize that you were an MIS major, i always thought you were CS. nice to know we have something in common.

Although it does seem that both CS and MIS are similar fields, I believe alot of CS makes up MIS (in an overview sense). CS is a highly specific technology degree, MIS is more from a managemet perspective. I'm looking to incorporate the management aspects of information systems and apply that to business theories (possibly MBA). It's weird, I know what I don't want to do and at the same rate I don't know how I want to approach it. I like business and I'm not too interested in nitty-gritty technical notes (although I am familiar with them) I'm looking for a position that requires technical knowledge (not necessarily the know how) and can attribute to a hardline number like revenue. I want technology to assist sales with a proven track record (risk analysis) and at the same rate I don't want to be "coding" or implementing any of it. Does that make any sense?

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Originally posted by kid nyce Although it does seem that both CS and MIS are similar fields, I believe alot of CS makes up MIS (in an overview sense). CS is a highly specific technology degree, MIS is more from a managemet perspective. I'm looking to incorporate the management aspects of information systems and apply that to business theories (possibly MBA). It's weird, I know what I don't want to do and at the same rate I don't know how I want to approach it. I like business and I'm not too interested in nitty-gritty technical notes (although I am familiar with them) I'm looking for a position that requires technical knowledge (not necessarily the know how) and can attribute to a hardline number like revenue. I want technology to assist sales with a proven track record (risk analysis) and at the same rate I don't want to be "coding" or implementing any of it. Does that make any sense?

Sounds like an MBA... Senior Consulting, Principal Consultant, Director to CIO path to me. Sounds like your going in the right direction!

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Originally posted by kid nyce Although it does seem that both CS and MIS are similar fields, I believe alot of CS makes up MIS (in an overview sense). CS is a highly specific technology degree, MIS is more from a managemet perspective. I'm looking to incorporate the management aspects of information systems and apply that to business theories (possibly MBA). It's weird, I know what I don't want to do and at the same rate I don't know how I want to approach it. I like business and I'm not too interested in nitty-gritty technical notes (although I am familiar with them) I'm looking for a position that requires technical knowledge (not necessarily the know how) and can attribute to a hardline number like revenue. I want technology to assist sales with a proven track record (risk analysis) and at the same rate I don't want to be "coding" or implementing any of it. Does that make any sense?

yea i understand what you mean. thats the kind of job that ive been trying to find. the only thing that ive found out from asking people is that usually you have to put in a couple years of grunt work (programming and such) in order to get promoted to a position of management responsibilities. im working on some certs hoping that it will help until i go to grad school.

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Originally posted by jonze234 yea i understand what you mean. thats the kind of job that ive been trying to find. the only thing that ive found out from asking people is that usually you have to put in a couple years of grunt work (programming and such) in order to get promoted to a position of management responsibilities. im working on some certs hoping that it will help until i go to grad school.

your right... i had 2 years grunt work took on the entire Cognos environment at my old job and was training myself on how it worked wisle running the system for 50+ clients... oh yea and i was only geting paid 32K a year. But it was the opportunity that you gota see and now I am set with over 5 years exp. Just put in the few pain in the ass years up front and take anything you can get your hands on... dont wory about the $$$ till people start calling you and saying "i have a great job and want to pay you big bucks" then you can drive to the bank. certs are great but nothing is like the real world exp! thats what they look for over anything else. good luck!

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Originally posted by dcougar99 your right... i had 2 years grunt work took on the entire Cognos environment at my old job and was training myself on how it worked wisle running the system for 50+ clients... oh yea and i was only geting paid 32K a year. But it was the opportunity that you gota see and now I am set with over 5 years exp. Just put in the few pain in the ass years up front and take anything you can get your hands on... dont wory about the $$$ till people start calling you and saying "i have a great job and want to pay you big bucks" then you can drive to the bank. certs are great but nothing is like the real world exp! thats what they look for over anything else. good luck!

yea the experience part of my resume is killing me on interviews. so i figured getting some certs would help out. any idea on how to get some experience, maybe through different groups or charity work? any advice would help.

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Originally posted by jonze234 yea the experience part of my resume is killing me on interviews. so i figured getting some certs would help out. any idea on how to get some experience, maybe through different groups or charity work? any advice would help.

well... its a bitch for real. I started on a network support team. They gave me a seat next to a consultant... i worked next to him for 4 months and he liked the way i worked... he got hired as a manager of a diff company and called me up. gave me shit pay but a great opportunity in application development and it grew from there. just get in at a lower level (smaller company�s will tend to give you more stuff to do) and take anything you can get your hands on! anything at all that you can use in the future. Once people see they can go to you for help then you will start to be looked at diff from management. Ask for more work and different type of tasks... dont ask for $$$ at this point! wait and stick it out for at least a year (this is a bitch but will pay off in the long run). when you have a few years and shitload of stuff added to your resume then you can ask for $ or switch jobs and get the largest increase $$$. If you switch jobs then stay at that job for at least a year and pickup anything that you can get your hands on other then what you had at your previous job. but whatever you do dont get to the point where you know everything that your doing and your not learning new things! you could get stuck in that groove and its hard as hell to get outa it. Once you have 3-5 years you can change jobs again to something along the lines of consulting etc. and then youll see the $$$. You will be competing against all your co-workers so keep your plan to yourself and dont make enemies... you may work with or for them in the future! its a small world once your in a niche industry for a few years.

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