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I just listened to this radio show of a local DJ playing, his show was called "Industrial Revolution", but to me alot of the songs sounded very trance like. It seems there there is a certain subset of Industrial music that sounds like what I would call "dark trance" although I am pretty sure that the industrial crowd does not call it that. I was wondering if any of you all know what the proper title is for the trance-like stuff that the industrial crowd listens to. I managed to get a tracklist of the guy's set, I know it is pretty random and stuff is scattered across several genres, the stuff I am interested in it the electronic 4/4 beat style that sounds alot like trance minus the pussy appeal.
Here is the tracklist:
2:04PM Front Line Assembly Colombian Necktie
1:59PM Front 242 Melt
1:53PM Pig Sanctuary [Spent Sperm Mix]
1:48PM Sister Machine Gun Better than Me
1:45PM My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult Disco FleshPot
1:36PM Assemblage 23 Opened
1:34PM Bile I reject
1:30PM Rammstein Ich Will
1:25PM Laibach Du Bist Unser
1:20PM Wumpscut Angel
1:14PM Rob Zombie Superbeast
1:12PM Apoptygma Berzerk Deep Red
1:04PM Nitzer Ebb Join in the Chant
1:01PM Oomph!!!!! Eiszeit
12:57PM Nine Inch Nails Sin
12:57PM KMFDM Free Your Hate
12:56PM kmfdm drug against war (razed in black rmx)
12:50PM Recycle Or I will kill you
12:41PM coil Love's Secret Domain
12:39PM funker vogt fortunes of war
12:31PM 16 volt everyday everything
12:28PM ministry lay lady lay
12:27PM prick I apologise
12:19PM rorshach test fornicator
12:17PM download glassblower
12:10PM slick idiot forgive me
12:05PM Sparta Mye
12:01PM John Vanderslice Continuation
11:55AM ...Trail of Dead It Was There That I Saw You
The songs I enjoyed were "columbia necktie" "opened" "deep red" "druga against war" and several others, can somebody please help me find the category of industrial that resembles trance music?
Damn thats an awesome group of songs. I dont think youll find any industrial trance or at least what i think your looking for. But if you can check out Dave Clarke's Essential Mix from Spring 2004. Its a fucking sick techno/industrial set. If you liked some of those songs youll love this set.
It's called EBM. Electronic Body Music. Precursor to GOA trance by the way. Also "futurepop" is a more recent name or outgrowing from EBM, came about in the early-mid 90's I suppose. VNV Nation, Icon Of Coil, Apoptygma Berzerk, Assemblage 23, Juno Reactor, Cabaret Voltaire, Yello, Coil, KMFDM...well you know...just look up the artists on that playlist.
I will gladly give it a try, but are you sure there is no name for the more dancey subset of industrial, I find that if I looks for industrial in searching I find songs that have guitars and screaming, but I want the electronic type, if I am looking for that particular style how do I find it, what term do I search under?
edit: just saw yer post aweindil, can you recomend some really energetic trancey and recent(stuff that I might hear a DJ play in a party these days) EBM tunes?
edit2: gawd damn you are some sort of mind reader I saw yer edit right after I submitted mine, gracias
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| Originally posted by Aiwendil It's called EBM. Electronic Body Music. |
check out Bigod 20 - The Bog and maybe even some Skinny Puppy
definitely Front 242 - Headhunter, fucken classic in my book.
what exactly is meant by...
electronic body music?
I've found this:
Electronic body music (EBM) is a musical genre combining elements of industrial music and electronic dance music. The genre's early influences run the gamut from the noisy industrial music of the time (Throbbing Gristle, Psychic TV) to the Radical Dance scene (Portion Control, 400 Blows) and straight-ahead electronic music (Kraftwerk, DAF).
The term was coined by the Belgian band Front 242 in the early 1980s to describe their music, and they are considered the first EBM band. Through the 1980s and early 1990s the style was characterized by harsh and often sparse electronic beats and became popular in the underground club scene, particularly in Europe. In this early period the most important labels were the European PIAS and Antler-Subway and the North American Wax Trax!; early bands besides Front 242 were Die Krupps, Nitzer Ebb, Borghesia, Neon Judgement, The Weathermen, Klinik, �;GRUMH..., Skinny Puppy, Severed Heads and, Front Line Assembly, among others.
By the mid 1990s, EBM began to borrow more and more heavily from synthpop, with the early releases of such bands as Covenant, and VNV Nation combining harsh industrial beats with synthesizer-driven melodies. By the late 1990s many of these middle-era EBM bands (notably VNV Nation and Covenant) were moving more and more towards synthpop, leading to some confusion and debate over the meaning of the term "EBM." While the term is still debated between "purists" who prefer to apply it to music more reminiscent of 1980s-era Front 242 (the term Old-school EBM is often used for this particular reason) and fans of a more modern style who allow for less adherence to its industrial heritage, today the term typically is used to refer to a sound similar to that of the middle-era bands. In any case, the genre is distinguished from modern interpretations of synthpop and the recent new style known as futurepop by the retention of some degree of harshness and industrial elements.
from discogs,i gather? but i've never heard of that term, and i've listened to some industrial for 15 years. probably never got legs cos it sounds ridiculous.
Never got legs? Hah. EBM isn't industrial music, EBM is EBM. You probably never heard of it because you're ignorant. I mean, regardless of what you have or have not heard, the term has been around since at least 1988.
***shakes fist***
i hardly think that one or several cd titles with "EBM" a genre make.
only guys/gals that make music an academic exercise are probably the only ones that might even use this genre title. genre titles develop when consensus by music listeners develops from the underground or a when a major sponsor such as a big music company, radio station, or group coins it and this lead to a consensus by7 the masses. in this case, F242 coins it. but the second element is missing, and that's probably why i've never heard it.
this is what i found on a quick search:
i typed "EBM" in discogs and only got back 7 results.
i "electronic body music" in disocgs and only got back 10 results.
i typed "EBM" in amazon and only got back 10 results.
i "electronic body music" in amazon and only got back 8 results (and one was trance).
compare that to:
i typed "industrial" in discogs and got back 164 results.
i typed "industrial" in amazon and got back 3031 results.
in any case, even if EBM is a genre (a very dubious proposition), i'de think that it would fall under industrial. logcially, all ebm is indusrial, but not all industrial is ebm.
i'd just call it industrial and be done with it. to be on the safe side, next time i go to my usual record stores, i'll ask for the EBM section.
bah, i gotta go.
i'll keep this topic in mind tho and i'll probably go to store tonight if i get a chance.
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| Originally posted by Spacey Orange ***shakes fist*** i hardly think that one or several cd titles with "EBM" a genre make. only guys/gals that make music an academic exercise are probably the only ones that might even use this genre title. genre titles develop when consensus by music listeners develops from the underground or a when a major sponsor such as a big music company, radio station, or group coins it and this lead to a consensus by7 the masses. in this case, F242 coins it. but the second element is missing, and that's probably why i've never heard it. this is what i found on a quick search: i typed "EBM" in discogs and only got back 7 results. i "electronic body music" in disocgs and only got back 10 results. i typed "EBM" in amazon and only got back 10 results. i "electronic body music" in amazon and only got back 8 results (and one was trance). compare that to: i typed "industrial" in discogs and got back 164 results. i typed "industrial" in amazon and got back 3031 results. in any case, even if EBM is a genre (a very dubious proposition), i'de think that it would fall under industrial. logcially, all ebm is indusrial, but not all industrial is ebm. i'd just call it industrial and be done with it. to be on the safe side, next time i go to my usual record stores, i'll ask for the EBM section. |
so guess what you're saying is this...
the difference being that EBM is 100% or nearly 100% electronic, and that industrial is not.
i hate to say that you're right, so i won't.
most of those songs are indeed industrial but if you wanna relate them to a more familiar electronica style, it will probably be EBM, though in cases of KFMDM, NIN and Rammstein they are more rock then electronica. Industrial is fun but below the originality of it, lies dulness and cliches that most bends use and it gets boring fast.
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| EBM is electronic music, Industrial is rock music |
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| Originally posted by PETRAN Nope industrial is NOT rock music (unless you mean the rammsteins and marilyn mansons types of industrial which is a bad joke in my opinion...), industrial is a completely seperate genre and yes EBM can be considered as an "industrial" sub-genre. Anyway, i can't consider throbbing gristle, coil, art of noise or liaisons daingeroueses as "rock music" anyway!!! Furthermore acts like cabaret voltaire are not industrial nor EBM in my opinion but fall somewhere in between. But enough with this genre stereotyping. |
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| Originally posted by PETRAN Nope industrial is NOT rock music (unless you mean the rammsteins and marilyn mansons types of industrial which is a bad joke in my opinion...), industrial is a completely seperate genre and yes EBM can be considered as an "industrial" sub-genre. Anyway, i can't consider throbbing gristle, coil, art of noise or liaisons daingeroueses as "rock music" anyway!!! Furthermore acts like cabaret voltaire are not industrial nor EBM in my opinion but fall somewhere in between. But enough with this genre stereotyping. |
Industrial is not a genre, it is a STYLE. It falls under the rock category.
The most abrasive and aggressive fusion of rock and electronic music, industrial was initially a blend of avant-garde electronics experiments (tape music, musique concr�te, white noise, synthesizers, sequencers, etc.) and punk provocation. As industrial evolved, its avant-garde influences became far less important than its pounding, relentless, jackhammer beats, which helped transform it into a darker alternative to the hedonism of mainstream dance music. Industrial's trademark sound was harsh and menacing, but its rage was subordinate to the intentionally mechanical, numbingly repetitive qualities of the music, which fit the lyrics' themes of alienation and dehumanization quite well. In the early '90s, Ministry and Nine Inch Nails took their variations on industrial to wider alt-rock and metal audiences, but a substantial number of industrial artists chose to remain underground. The first group of industrial bands � England's Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire, and Germany's Einsturzende Neubauten � were initially as much about beyond-edgy performance art as they were music. The second generation of industrial artists � including Skinny Puppy, Front 242, and Nitzer Ebb � added pummeling dance beats to their predecessors' confrontational sounds, for a substyle often referred to as electronic body music (centered around labels like Wax Trax). Meanwhile, bands like Ministry and KMFDM added metal-guitar riffs, which helped Ministry break through to a wider audience in the late '80s and early '90s; similarly, Nine Inch Nails' Trent Reznor added more traditional song structures, and made his own persona the focal point, giving the music a rare human presence and becoming a star in the process. This more widely appealing strain of industrial continued to influence alternative metal throughout the '90s. Still, after industrial metal began to fade, a near-exclusively electronic form of industrial dance continued to thrive as an uncompromisingly underground style, with many artists coming from the U.S. and Germany.
a little history and explanations on the style.
Alright...Industrial isn't rock...heh. It's a more encompassing term that describes a sound that runs through rock and electronic music. But to call EBM Industrial is kind of like calling GOA Trance EDM. It's not technically wrong, but for a guy requesting something specific it won't get them anywhere. Zombie0915, by the songs he likes, wants more EBM, not more of any Industrial music.
So it's more like this...
Trance should not remotely sound like Industrial, or any other genre that is often coupled with Industrial. That would be a disgrace to the edm scene as a whole.
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| Originally posted by Aiwendil Alright...Industrial isn't rock...heh. It's a more encompassing term that describes a sound that runs through rock and electronic music. But to call EBM Industrial is kind of like calling GOA Trance EDM. It's not technically wrong, but for a guy requesting something specific it won't get them anywhere. Zombie0915, by the songs he likes, wants more EBM, not more of any Industrial music. So it's more like this... |
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| Originally posted by Lepanto dude are you retarded? you just made industrial A GENRE, it's a STYLE! once again... http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?...05843&sql=73:20 look under the bloody Rock Styles, the first thing under the alternative/indie rock subgenre IS INDUSTRIAL. |
'Industrial' sounds sexy - dirty too.
Gimme samples!
gimme some head!
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