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On Friday, May 23rd, the nationwide, public radio and television show Democracy Now! premiered Afghan Massacre: The Convoy of Death, a controversial documentary film alleging U.S. military involvement in a massacre of Taliban prisoners in Afghanistan. The film, never before shown in the U.S., aired during the Friday broadcast of Democracy Now!, at 9 a.m. EST. Afghan Massacre: the Convoy of Death has been broadcast on national television in Britain, Germany, Italy and Australia and has been screened by the European parliament. Produced and directed by Irish filmmaker and former BBC producer Jamie Doran, the film tells the story of thousands of prisoners who surrendered to the US military’s Afghan allies after the siege of Kunduz. According to the film, some three thousand of the prisoners were forced into sealed containers and loaded onto trucks for transport to Sheberghan prison. When the prisoners began shouting for air, U.S.-allied Afghan soldiers fired directly into the truck, killing many of them. The rest suffered through an appalling road trip lasting up to four days, so thirsty they clawed at the skin of their fellow prisoners as they licked perspiration and even drank blood from open wounds. Witnesses say that when the trucks arrived and soldiers opened the containers, most of the people inside were dead. They also say US Special Forces re-directed the containers carrying the living and dead into the desert and stood by as survivors were shot and buried. Now, up to three thousand bodies lie buried in a mass grave. Outraged human rights groups and lawyers are calling for an investigation but the U.N. special envoy to Afghanistan refuses any U.N.-backed investigation until the Afghan government can protect witnesses. Two of the witnesses in the film have already been killed.

Source: Democracy Now!

The Afghan government will not be able to protect the witnessess. All what the UN is waiting for is for all the witnesses to die.

boo hoo.

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Originally posted by Lepanto boo hoo.

What is wrong you do not care about this? If you do not noticed the US government always bitches about what the Germans did at the battle of the bulge and they only killed 90americans(?). Here you have Americans killing 2k thats a lot of peeps. SO I am guessing that you believe an arab life is less important than a white persons life?

Mabye he's boo-hooing because it came from a left-wing website akin to democraticunderground.com.

I think that's where the boohoo came from aswell.

Alright so maybe he was boo-hooing about that sorry about the confusion.

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Originally posted by Shakka Mabye he's boo-hooing because it came from a left-wing website akin to democraticunderground.com.

What? So it never really happened? Man, that's a load off my mind - for a moment there I thought that US soldiers in exceptional circumstances were as monstrous people as soldiers of other nationalities. You know, that they're no better than any other young psychos - germans, afghani, or what have you. Glad to be proven wrong.
Thanks for your highly demonstrative "boo hoo", Lepanto. I'll never fall for shallow reasoning and evidence again. I promise.

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Originally posted by Shakka Mabye he's boo-hooing because it came from a left-wing website akin to democraticunderground.com.

That and the accusation is unsubstantiated.
Knowing the left-leaning media, they would been all over this like a fat kid on a smartie otherwise; regardless if there was any substance to it or not, that shit sells!

I find it interesting and disgusting how people so easily dismiss something as "right" or "left" so they can continue to hold on to their delusional world views. So unless your source isn't BBC or the Washington Post or some other relatively mainstream media outlet it's automatically false? It's sad how conditioned so many of us are.

first of the boo hoo comment was a tad sarcastic. second of all arabs ARE white LOL. middle eastern people are considered caucasion if you didn't know or realize this before.

furthermore, this is taken from a "left" wing site but it doesn't change the event itself, even though it was prolly blown out of proportion.

However, I fail to see how this is a HUGE deal that will change the course of history or whatnot. Even though i think when someone surrenders they are entitled to their own rights, something that THEY don't believe in aka beheadings, burning bodies, etc.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I find it interesting and disgusting how people so easily dismiss something as "right" or "left" so they can continue to hold on to their delusional world views. So unless your source isn't BBC or the Washington Post or some other relatively mainstream media outlet it's automatically false? It's sad how conditioned so many of us are.

Cold, callous, conditioned - and desensitized to the plights of fellow human beings.


Anyway, the one word that best describes the behavior which is displayed by many killers is psychopath. It would seem as though we have an abundance of them in our society - as well as the military.

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In the UK, the Mental Health Act 1983 defines a psychopathic disorder as a persistent disorder or disability of the mind (whether or not including significant impairment of intelligence) which results in abnormally aggressive or severely irresponsible conduct. We now have a much clearer picture of the psychopath following research by Professor Robert Hare, head of psychology at the University of British Columbia in Canada. His conclusions, after years of study, are that psychopathy is probably not a mental disorder and is unlikely to respond to treatment. His findings have great significance for police and for those responsible for supervising offenders both in custody and in the community. Hare believes that psychopathic killers are not mad in the strict psychiatric or legal sense but behave in a cold and deliberate way with scant regard to the feelings of their victims. http://www.janes.com/security/law_e...i/ipi0170.shtml

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I find it interesting and disgusting how people so easily dismiss something as "right" or "left" so they can continue to hold on to their delusional world views. So unless your source isn't BBC or the Washington Post or some other relatively mainstream media outlet it's automatically false? It's sad how conditioned so many of us are.

While true, I'm not about to believe something just because someone decided to make a movie about it...

*cough*MichaelMoore*cough*

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r While true, I'm not about to believe something just because someone decided to make a movie about it... *cough*MichaelMoore*cough*

No, instead you ignorantly disregard the entire message simply because it's being voiced by a person whom you consider to be a political foe.

Michael Moore, although an easily hateable guy, did have some very good points in an otherwise factually challenged 9/11 documentary.

I personally don't like the guy, but in saying that I also have to admit that I don't even know him. I also don't pass judgement based on the people's court of popular opinion - which is almost always be swayed by the corporate, conservatively owned "liberal" media and the feebleminded shills that always promote their skewed versions of events.

As I said, Michael Moore does have some good points...

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5938683

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Originally posted by Trancer-X [color=#33ccff]No, instead you ignorantly disregard the entire message simply because it's being voiced by a person whom you consider to be a political foe.

No, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

The fact that he's on, "The other side of fence" doesn't mean a total disgard on my behalf.
Had that been the actual truth, I probably wouldn't even know what the movie was about...
Nor would I even opened the thread to begin with knowing a "political adversary" created it; so much for being ignorant...
Unless you actually think I going into lefty-threads just to butt heads. Unfortunately I don't like to waste time like that; debate is what I'm after, hence I ask questions.
Take the question for what it is, not for where it's coming from since that would lead to a biasing reply and opinion such as yours.

I simply stated that if this is such a catastrophy, why isn't the media all over it like they are with everything else catastrophic?
A valid question I would think no?

It does suggest that either this really is a huge cover-up or that the director is diving into the realm of a working theory...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I simply stated that if this is such a catastrophy, why isn't the media all over it like they are with everything else catastrophic? A valid question I would think no?

Well, judging by the scale of past coverups - if this story is true, then it would still be a relatively small coverup.

Why isn't the media all over it? Haven't you retained anything that I've been saying on these boards? Investigative journalism has been dead for quite some time now. For the most part, we're only fed what they want us to consume, and that is very little.

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"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar weekly salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." - John Swinton, former Chief of Staff of the New York Times (1953)

look making such a large atrotious allegation you better have facts.
Bodies, witnesses, mass graves, and in addition some way to connect that to the USA military (as opposed to just the N. Alliance), by demonstration of a letter, order, report, command, deployment, etc of US forces according to the plot line.

If such a thing did happen, it should not be hard to get those facts.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I simply stated that if this is such a catastrophy, why isn't the media all over it like they are with everything else catastrophic? A valid question I would think no?

That is the second time you've used that absurd argument. Well, why isn't the mainstream "leftist" media covering it?

You remember the massacres in East Timor right? Well, the media was NOT covering them until a few good journalist found the opportunity to push those stories in. Human Rights groups had been all over it way before the media touched it and were desperately trying to get the news out so something would be done about it.

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Originally posted by Yoepus look making such a large atrotious allegation you better have facts. Bodies, witnesses, mass graves, and in addition some way to connect that to the USA military (as opposed to just the N. Alliance), by demonstration of a letter, order, report, command, deployment, etc of US forces according to the plot line. If such a thing did happen, it should not be hard to get those facts.

Right, people do have em, and just like many people who responded to this thread, they don't believe it. *cough* bias *cought*

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That is the second time you've used that absurd argument. Well, why isn't the mainstream "leftist" media covering it?

Why is it "absurd"?
The media can give us a daily body count from Iraq but can't report a major catastrophy?
How does that translate to absurd?
That's just logical deduction in my books...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Why is it "absurd"? The media can give us a daily body count from Iraq but can't report a major catastrophy? How does that translate to absurd? That's just logical deduction in my books...

Clearly you have a very poor understanding of how the media works, the pressures involved from various institutions, the people who run them etc. I already gave you the East Timor example as a counter example.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Clearly you have a very poor understanding of how the media works, the pressures involved from various institutions, the people who run them etc. I already gave you the East Timor example as a counter example.

I guess I'm just not making myself very clear then.
Media pressures and influences are acedemic and therefore, understood (at least one would think in a forum such as this).
What I trying to get at really was, who/what are the influences sheltering the catastrophe up?
How is it that this one investigative reporter was the only one that seems to be bringing it up?

Forgive me for being a sceptic but when it comes to media of any sort (news/movies/etc.) there is always a bias one side or the other depending on the source.
Rare is the day of balanced "reporting".
Even 'documentaries' have to a taken with a grain of salt ala the personal tirade of Mr.Moore.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid SO I am guessing that you believe an arab life is less important than a white persons life?

Not an Arab life...a Taliban life.

I could give 2 shits if all those little Taliban/Al Queda ******s where killed.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I find it interesting and disgusting how people so easily dismiss something as "right" or "left" so they can continue to hold on to their delusional world views. So unless your source isn't BBC or the Washington Post or some other relatively mainstream media outlet it's automatically false? It's sad how conditioned so many of us are.

+1 !!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Not an Arab life...a Taliban life. I could give 2 shits if all those little Taliban/Al Queda ******s where killed.

wow, what a tool.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby wow, what a tool.

ya? thanks n00b...now run along.

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