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Dane fights for state-funded sex A disabled Danish man is fighting for the state to pay for him to have a prostitute visit him at home.

Source: BBC

Well, even though it's funny, the problem is quite legitimate.

There are lots of men, disabled or not, who for some reason or other can't get laid. What if they're ugly? Or, suppose they've had several girlfriends, but each one of those GFs insisted on a commited relationship and marriage, and the man honestly told them that he wasn't ready and was just looking for a light relationship. And he just couldn't find a girl who shared his wish for a purely physical relatinship.

See, the vast majority of young women will refuse to have sex unless there is the possibility of commitment etc. When a woman gets older, she starts viewing sex as a physical need just like men.

Anyway, the whole point of this, there are many males who for certain reasons can't get this need satisfied, and this affects the general population in a very negative way. Irritability, depression, and aggressive behavior result.

Plus it's unfair. Why should a universal need, similar to eating and being able to urinate, be allowed to some people as a privilege, but denied to others? Especially given the fact that nobody forces these women to become prostitutes in Denmark and Germany, they do it of THEIR OWN FREE WILL. The vast majority.

The thing I found funny was that he was insisting on the state paying for it. That's all. While true that a reasonable amount of sex in ones life may be a good/healthy, it's not like you can't survive without it (since you made the anology of needs such as food, urinating etc). So I really wouldn't call it a "need." If you haven't gotton any in a while, exert some self-control. Look at the shaolin monks, never had sex EVER and they're doing just fine (plus, many people don't before marriage, they don't flip out and become a danger to society or themselves).

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z (plus, many people don't before marriage, they don't flip out and become a danger to society or themselves).

That's what YOU think.

You have no idea how this issue is ruining their lives and the lives of those around them. Because they have issues, they seek religion or some other pursuit as a crotch. Society degenerates into crime and depression.

Human beings are programmed to reproduce. There's a reason why Sex is #4 on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. When did you take your psychology 101 class? Do you remember that Sex comes even before Love and Self-Actualization? It's second only to air, food, and water.

To believe that a human's sexual need is not as extreme as food or water is naive x100. Any specialist or psychologist will tell you otherwise. Otherwise the whole field of psychology and Maslow's chart would be a laughingstock.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd That's what YOU think. You have no idea how this issue is ruining their lives and the lives of those around them. Because they have issues, they seek religion or some other pursuit as a crotch. Society degenerates into crime and depression. Human beings are programmed to reproduce. There's a reason why Sex is #4 on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. When did you take your psychology 101 class? Do you remember that Sex comes even before Love and Self-Actualization? It's second only to air, food, and water. To believe that a human's sexual need is not as extreme as food or water is naive x100. Any specialist or psychologist will tell you otherwise. Otherwise the whole field of psychology and Maslow's chart would be a laughingstock.

You're right in what you say, which is why people who are generally religious (in the true sense of the word) and practicing Christians/Muslims/Jews, generally tend to get married at much earlier ages. That takes care of that need + others (such as companionship etc).

When they don't, then yes, you're right, it does create problems for them and those around them.

If it's the danish policy to pay for all the extra costs for disabled ppl, he should be paid for extra costs of this too. Can't see why not.

Anyway, pretty cool if he would get a state funded prostitute

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd That's what YOU think. You have no idea how this issue is ruining their lives and the lives of those around them. Because they have issues, they seek religion or some other pursuit as a crotch. Society degenerates into crime and depression. Human beings are programmed to reproduce. There's a reason why Sex is #4 on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. When did you take your psychology 101 class? Do you remember that Sex comes even before Love and Self-Actualization? It's second only to air, food, and water. To believe that a human's sexual need is not as extreme as food or water is naive x100. Any specialist or psychologist will tell you otherwise. Otherwise the whole field of psychology and Maslow's chart would be a laughingstock.

you might need sex to have a healthier psyche, but you certainly don't need it to have it to survive. that's why it's ludicrous to compare it with the necessity for food.

I can't believe you people are having a serious debate about this.

Somehow, I don't think I'd want to see a 'state-funded' protitute...

Ah. The BBC broke my story - I told them it was confidential.

Anyway, this is yet another example of danes expecting the state to provide *every god damn thing* for them. Sex is nowhere near as essential to living as food, water, social contacts, and domiciles. Handicapped people get loads of money from the state in Denmark (my cousin is severely handicapped, and he gets 24 hours supervision, a free car, lifetime pension, all accessories he need, and he still lives at home), and they should be able to afford sex just as well as any other person.

Damn looks like the Danes get a lot of nice things from big brother. I am just kinda curious how does he get it up?

Read the article.

He is not asking for the state to pay for the sex, he is asking them to pay for the call girls' transportation to his home because he is unable to go to them. He is already paying for the sex himself, he just wants the difference between what a healthy person would pay (going to the prostitute) and what he pays. Which is, as far as I can tell from what the article says about Danish disability rights law, what the law says it will provide for.


If you are going to comment on the issue, please read the whole article and not just the headline. I saw the headline and thought it would be pretty funny. I found it to be more sad than anything. I can't say I support his position ethically/morally but legally speaking, he is by no means out of line asking for this.


MrS

yay for sex

This goes back to my previous argument in the bird flu thread. Survival of the fittest. If you can't get laid, then you can't get laid. In order to reproduce, you have to get laid. If you can't get laid, then there is a reason for it. The reason is that you are not evolutionarly viable and are not meant to reproduce. So the government should not intervene to alter the course of nature. Of course, you can always find some nasty obese girl, but then your offspring won't be any better off then you are.

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel Read the article. He is not asking for the state to pay for the sex, he is asking them to pay for the call girls' transportation to his home because he is unable to go to them. He is already paying for the sex himself, he just wants the difference between what a healthy person would pay (going to the prostitute) and what he pays. Which is, as far as I can tell from what the article says about Danish disability rights law, what the law says it will provide for. If you are going to comment on the issue, please read the whole article and not just the headline. I saw the headline and thought it would be pretty funny. I found it to be more sad than anything. I can't say I support his position ethically/morally but legally speaking, he is by no means out of line asking for this. MrS

+1

I posted similar to this earlier (after 1st reply) but it never made it for some maddening reason.

But yes, from my vague legal understanding of Denmark's equivalent to the ADA as reference to the article, this is no different the the state covering the chinese food, flowers, laundry, books, etc. costs it would cover. If they don't like it they either need to amend the laws to disallow it to be used for the lawful business purposes of prostitution or they should outlaw prostitution. otherwise they are hypocrties.

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Originally posted by Gmoney part II This goes back to my previous argument in the bird flu thread. Survival of the fittest. If you can't get laid, then you can't get laid. In order to reproduce, you have to get laid. If you can't get laid, then there is a reason for it. The reason is that you are not evolutionarly viable and are not meant to reproduce. So the government should not intervene to alter the course of nature. Of course, you can always find some nasty obese girl, but then your offspring won't be any better off then you are.

WTF is wrong with you man?!

Say a person loses his legs in an airplane accident - one that killed 200 people and he is the lone survivor. With his legs he lost his charmingly good looks and no women will sleep with him anymore.

Does not mean that he is evolutionarly unfit to have had offsprings? Had he been full-functioning he could very well of had kids and helped produce airplane accident resistant spawn. But you would have no say about it because "evolution" told him to lose his legs and become unattractive

seriously, how old are you?

I am older than you are. Unfortunately my friend, we live in a superficial world. So instead of arguing with me with your candy-ass nonsense, why don't you look at reality. Would you want to have sex with a girl after she lost both her legs? Yes I know it may not be her fault that she lost both her legs but the reality is you would not. You may still love her and I applaud you for that but the truth is you would not want to have sex with her. So while my argument of survival of the fittest does not apply to people who have been in accidents and other random bad occurences, you are right, I don't think that you believe your own bullshit.

*sighs*
gmoney, i hope sometime in the future something happens to you to prevent you from polluting the gene pool; none of your posts have the slightest bit of thought in them. theyre superficial & pointless. id hate to be unable to achieve rational thought processes.

your entire \"understanding\" of survival of the fittest is fundamentally flawed; in the sense that human beings are inherently different from animals in this context, and the social fabric of human existence is entirely different from the playing field in nature that animals are a part of.

if the human race were completely dominated by the fittest, i really hope for your sake youre big and strong or good at sport or something.

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Originally posted by Yoepus WTF is wrong with you man?! Say a person loses his legs in an airplane accident - one that killed 200 people and he is the lone survivor. With his legs he lost his charmingly good looks and no women will sleep with him anymore. Does not mean that he is evolutionarly unfit to have had offsprings? Had he been full-functioning he could very well of had kids and helped produce airplane accident resistant spawn. But you would have no say about it because "evolution" told him to lose his legs and become unattractive seriously, how old are you?

Dude let it go.. you can't convince people who arn't willing to listen.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN *sighs* gmoney, i hope sometime in the future something happens to you to prevent you from polluting the gene pool; none of your posts have the slightest bit of thought in them. theyre superficial & pointless. id hate to be unable to achieve rational thought processes. your entire \"understanding\" of survival of the fittest is fundamentally flawed; in the sense that human beings are inherently different from animals in this context, and the social fabric of human existence is entirely different from the playing field in nature that animals are a part of. if the human race were completely dominated by the fittest, i really hope for your sake youre big and strong or good at sport or something.

First of all, I would like to thank you for wishing that something bad happened to me. I appreciate it. Second of all, let me explain something to you. Human beings are animals. Are we not? The difference is that in our day and age, things revolve around money. Well actually, 4 things matter, how good looking you are, how smart you are, how much money you have, and the 4th thing lets call "intagibles" (personality, social skills, etc). Good-looking smart people have good-looking smart kids.
ugly-stupid people have ugly-stupid kids.
The people from the first category (assuming nothing strange happens to them) and they are raised properly become leaders in our society.
The people from the later category, (assuming nothing miraculous happens to them) fall to the bottom. Of course there is a grey area in between but you are either on one spectrum or the other.
So I don't feel bad for the short, fat guy that can't get laid, because to be perfectly honest with you, if I was a semi-attractive girl, I wouldn't have sex with him. Why the hell would she when she has better options? So you can either sit there and bitch about how life is unfair, blah, blah,blah, or you can do things to improve yourself within the realm of your genetics. Look at Mini-me. Even though he is 2 feet tall, I bet he still got laid because he made something of himself. People are succesful for a reason, and people wind up at the bottom for a reason. Its a proven fact( if you read any book on evolutionary psychology) that men go for women with somekind of chest hip ratio (the hourglass figure) because the are programmed to know that these women have a better chance of producing healthy offspring. And it is also proven that women go for men with resources( i.e money) because they are programmed to know that these men will have a better chance of raising their children.

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Originally posted by Gmoney part II I am older than you are.

I'm calling you out: pics or stfu

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So instead of arguing with me with your candy-ass nonsense, why don't you look at reality.

Perhaps you can stop making candy-ass generalization so I can stop making candy-ass nonsense? So we can go back to reality? hmm?

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Would you want to have sex with a girl after she lost both her legs? Yes I know it may not be her fault that she lost both her legs but the reality is you would not. You may still love her and I applaud you for that but the truth is you would not want to have sex with her.

Here's a mind-blower for you: Just because you believe in your heart of heart in one certain way, that this is the truth does not make that the truth for all others. Just as there are people who truly believe in Allah and would swear by their families that someone could not believe anything else, as nothing is so true and clear, so you can say that you would not fuck a legless girl and believe no-one else would.

Would I? Hell I don't know. Most likely yes, particularly if it someone I love. Afterall, the person I will marry will grow fat, ugly, and old compared the her beauty in her prime... But I will still have sex.

But fuckall does it matter? Would I ever give a hoboo a dime! Heck no! But I go by on the street and people do it constantly, all the time, they give them bills... even large bills. And to those that stand at the freeway offramps. Ack Hoboos! But there you have it, something I would never do - that I wouldn't think other people do - they do it - and they believe in it! ack!

Point is it doesn't matter what I think. There are people in this world that think differently then you or me in this world. And they aren't doing it to make you mad, to play some games, or to waste there time or your time. No they do it because they truely believe what they think - just like you.

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So while my argument of survival of the fittest does not apply to people who have been in accidents and other random bad occurences, you are right, I don't think that you believe your own bullshit.

What you or I think doesn't matter. What does matter is that I was right and you were wrong.

The fact that you would rather have sex with a girl with no legs then give someone a dime speaks for itself. That is all I have to say for now.

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Originally posted by Gmoney part II Human beings are animals. Are we not? The difference is that in our day and age, things revolve around money.

the difference is that humans create, influence & shape their environment to an extent that animals do not.

the rest of your post is shallow (at best). and it misses so many influences that add/detract from all kinds of success.

just one point tho; your comments re \"Its a proven fact( if you read any book on evolutionary psychology) that men go for women with somekind of chest hip ratio (the hourglass figure) because the are programmed to know that these women have a better chance of producing healthy offspring.\"

thats just bullshit. go on. prove to me otherwise. nothing like that has ever been \"proven\". the characteristics of a desirable female mate have changed throughout history/throughout cultures & civilisations. there is no inherent psychological desire. your \"proven\" ideas are laughable.

gross generalisations and misunderstandings are just a pain in the ass to bother with (so i wont continue). charles darwin would be howling with laughter if he could hear you now.

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel He is not asking for the state to pay for the sex, he is asking them to pay for the call girls' transportation to his home because he is unable to go to them. He is already paying for the sex himself, he just wants the difference between what a healthy person would pay (going to the prostitute) and what he pays.

You're right, and you're not right. In Denmark there's a huge difference between a call girl, and a cheap hooker from the brothel. There's not alot of call girls and their prices are consequently insane. I heard a (non-attractive) call girl talk about her prices on TV some ten years ago, and the price she quoted was more than the double of that of a (fairly attractive) brothel girl today. So we are not talking about $10 or $20 bucks to cover transportation here.


About gmoney: This guy managed to get himself banned from the NY subforum (which has no mod!), and for good reasons. I advise you all to ignore him, as his stated goal of being here is to stir shit and get banned.
EDIT: Source

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Originally posted by trancaholic About gmoney: This guy managed to get himself banned from the NY subforum (which has no mod!), and for good reasons. I advise you all to ignore him, as his stated goal of being here is to stir shit and get banned. EDIT: Source

Interesting, I think someone should fullfill his wish...

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