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Posted by djshtr on Oct-06-2005 20:10:

Pioneer CDJ 1000 MK2 upgrade?

Anyone know anything about a CDJ 1000 upgrade anytime soon?

I have a pair of cDJ 200s that i absolutely LOVE for the mp3 capability and the 0.02 pitch but would like to upgrade to something more industry standard. It still trips me up when i have to use a CDJ 1000 since the wheel is a lot different than mine in terms of sensitivity and feel.

It seems logical that pioneer will add mp3 support to the CDJ 1000, so i want to hold off for now, but does anyone know when this will happen? Or are they gonna keep the MK2s as their flagship for the next little while?


Posted by Vlad on Oct-06-2005 20:25:

Re: Pioneer CDJ 1000 MK2 upgrade?

quote:
Originally posted by djshtr
Anyone know anything about a CDJ 1000 upgrade anytime soon?

I have a pair of cDJ 200s that i absolutely LOVE for the mp3 capability and the 0.02 pitch but would like to upgrade to something more industry standard. It still trips me up when i have to use a CDJ 1000 since the wheel is a lot different than mine in terms of sensitivity and feel.

It seems logical that pioneer will add mp3 support to the CDJ 1000, so i want to hold off for now, but does anyone know when this will happen? Or are they gonna keep the MK2s as their flagship for the next little while?



The only way I could see them doing an upgrade, is a firmware upgrade.


Posted by djshtr on Oct-06-2005 20:45:

Really? So you think with Denon putting out direct drive spinning platters, and the CDX out there for a while (and the new HDX out), pioneer is still gonna stick with its non-active platter without MP3 capability? All the other guys have the active platters, mp3, etc..

seems like if pioneer just upgrades the firmware and nothing else they're gonna fall behind??


Posted by Tony Morello on Oct-06-2005 21:11:

i have played on a lot of cd players

i've even played on the numark and denons with active platters

the pioneers have my vote, little bells and whistles, they play cds and they do it well

they work and they're built to withstand the rigors of a club environment

any added features to a deck, that's just one more thing that can break

but then again i'm all about the purpose built equipment

if it was designed to do one thing and one thing only, you better believe they're going to make sure it works the way it should

i don't really like using the built-in effects on mixers, an outboard effector is a lot better

my mixer should mix, my TTs should play records, my cd decks should play cds and my effector should add effects, nothing else


Posted by janos on Oct-06-2005 21:19:

I posed the question to Pioneer a few months ago and they said they noting in the pipeline, no research or dev for a successor to the CDJ1000mk2.

Still, I honestly believe they would have said that anyhow.


Posted by Vlad on Oct-06-2005 21:32:

Honestly, the more you try to make something 'feel' like a turntable, the worse off its gonna be.


Posted by janos on Oct-06-2005 21:38:

true. CDJ's are good enough.


Posted by Vero on Oct-06-2005 22:06:

the cdj1000mk2 has esablished itself as the "1200" of the CD turntable market. if pioneer is smart, they will follow the lead of technics to the motto "if it aint broke, dont fix it"

i personally am more a fan of the dns5000, but you dont see too many clubs using those now do you? and as far as the CDX, that thing is a piece of shit IMO.


Posted by ieko on Oct-06-2005 22:12:

I don't see pioneer adding mp3 support to the MK2's anytime soon (if ever). Just doesn't seem to make sense since they're used in clubs and mp3's just don't sound good. I'm waiting for the day DVJ's become affordable though, that'd be a nice little toy to have hehe.


Posted by JFernie on Oct-06-2005 22:37:

spinning platters on cd decks are ghey


Posted by djshtr on Oct-07-2005 00:18:

quote:
Originally posted by ieko
I don't see pioneer adding mp3 support to the MK2's anytime soon (if ever). Just doesn't seem to make sense since they're used in clubs and mp3's just don't sound good.


Right, but I have over 40 tracks from Beatport that are all 320 kbps.. I just dumped all of them onto a CD as MP3 and the CDJ200 pays 'em back perfectly (doesn't sound like an mp3).

They wouldn't sound any better if I dumped 'em to WAV and put them over 10 discs, would they? It would make sense for pioneer to add this feature.. of do they think that mp3 is only good for the 'bedroom dj'..?


Posted by Spirit5 on Oct-07-2005 02:43:

I really don't think MP3 is a good idea. I mean it's been said before but who wants 40 to 80 tracks on one CD? Personally it's just easier having 2 (yes I do have only two tracks from a single artists who only has 2 tracks) to about 8 tracks on a single CD. This way I have all of the same artist on a single disc, and can mix one track to another, just like putting on another vinyl record (but with CDs). Thats just my opinion...so I treat my CD collection i'm building up like my vinyl collection, but just another medium...


Posted by Spirit5 on Oct-07-2005 02:45:

quote:
Originally posted by djshtr
Right, but I have over 40 tracks from Beatport that are all 320 kbps.. I just dumped all of them onto a CD as MP3 and the CDJ200 pays 'em back perfectly (doesn't sound like an mp3).

They wouldn't sound any better if I dumped 'em to WAV and put them over 10 discs, would they? It would make sense for pioneer to add this feature.. of do they think that mp3 is only good for the 'bedroom dj'..?


Yeah I have a bunch of 320 Kbps MP3s on my computer and no WAV files. I am still looking for where I can download WAV files. I know Beatport can send you WAV files in the mail, but that gets expensive with shipping and the whole point to downloading is so you can have the tunes right now, instead of waiting days to a week, which is really no differen't than buying a vinyl record.


Posted by fr3sh on Oct-07-2005 07:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Spirit5
I know Beatport can send you WAV files in the mail, but that gets expensive with shipping and the whole point to downloading is so you can have the tunes right now, instead of waiting days to a week, which is really no differen't than buying a vinyl record.



wav files by mail.... wayyyyy cheaper than buying vinyl

lets say 2 tracks per vinyl... say $10 US each
45 vinyl to get 90 tracks... $450 US plus shipping to canada (for me) $70 approx

wav files off of beatport...
90 tracks at 1.99US each is like $180 plus wav handling and shipping say another $100

so $280 vs $520 and with vinyl you are not going to like all the songs on all of the vinyls i am willing to bet but with digital... you hand pick all of your fav tracks

and it gets shipped with next day shipping so like 1-2 days

AND........ beatport is going to offer wav downloads...which will make it even cheaper

i personally prefer wav files as they are the highest quality and deliver that richness in the sound that we all love...but this isn't about that... this is about digital wav over vinyl as far as price is concerned.... wav files = much cheaper

i rest my case


Posted by Omega_Blue on Oct-07-2005 08:05:

quote:
Originally posted by fr3sh
wav files by mail.... wayyyyy cheaper than buying vinyl


true, but it almost defeats the purpose of a digital download store. you can't beat the fact that you can listen to a track and have it in your possession within seconds. and 320kbps is definitely bearable, sound-quality wise. damn elitists.

I <3 beatport


Posted by fr3sh on Oct-07-2005 08:08:

Thumbs up

haha

i am sincerely flattered that you refer to me as an elitist...lol

made my day
hahaha


thanks bud... U R the best!


Posted by fr3sh on Oct-07-2005 08:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_Blue
true, but it almost defeats the purpose of a digital download store. you can't beat the fact that you can listen to a track and have it in your possession within seconds. and 320kbps is definitely bearable, sound-quality wise. damn elitists.

I <3 beatport



as i said... beatport will be offering wav downloads soon

they announced this in their forum


Posted by ieko on Oct-07-2005 10:29:

I must say I'm really happy. 1) Because I'm saving tons of cash. 2) I don't have to get those tracks that I don't want (i.e. the B-Side of a vinyl). 3) It takes one day for it to ship to my house and I'm not using overnight <3 Fedex.

This also has really changed my attitude towards CD's in terms of me actually using them, because now I can get a lot of tracks on CD with top quality.

Anyway, I'd get 320kbps mp3 if I could stand them, but I just can't for some reason. Personal preference I guess.


Posted by fr3sh on Oct-07-2005 19:07:

quote:
Originally posted by ieko
Anyway, I'd get 320kbps mp3 if I could stand them, but I just can't for some reason. Personal preference I guess.


we have a new member to the elitist alliance haha


Posted by Spirit5 on Oct-07-2005 19:29:

Well that is good news then, but now that i've spent about $100 on MP3s (most I don't have on vinyl, once I get better recording equipment and buy a new turntable I'll do that), and now they are gonna offer Wav files. If only they would have done this before. And I agree with Omega_Blue, that the mail order thing doesn't make sense. Also, I really don't think 320 Kbps MP3s sound bad either, I mean how good to you guys really want? Sure WAV might be better at a club, but I'm just a hobbyist, and I don't really even consider myself a DJ since I don't play for people right now (till I get really good, get my CDJs hooked up to the internet and get some better recording stuff like monitors). So unless you are a pro, I doubt you should be that concerned.


Posted by dmagik on Oct-07-2005 22:31:

is it bad to convert mp3's to wav?


Posted by ieko on Oct-07-2005 23:17:

quote:
Originally posted by fr3sh
we have a new member to the elitist alliance haha

Eh? How's that elitest, I don't like them... it's a personal preference. Has nothing to do with me thinking I'm better or anything...

You can convert mp3 to wav, it won't hurt it at all. Although I think you might lose some volume? I'm not sure.


Posted by jdat on Oct-08-2005 00:53:

quote:
Originally posted by dmagik
is it bad to convert mp3's to wav?



No there should be no signal difference in theory.


Posted by Protege on Oct-08-2005 01:10:

Personally I dont really see the need for mp3 cds for the cdj. I mean, if the song you want to play next is on the cd that is currently playing, it doesnt do you much good now does it. Id rather just put 10 or so songs on one cd and be done with it.


Posted by Spirit5 on Oct-08-2005 01:22:

Would converting all of my 320 Kbps MP3 collection i've downloaded from BeatPort, AudioJelly and TrackItDown to Wave make the sound quality better? is it really that noticeable? or is the only difference the format?


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