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What song has had the most detrimental effect on trance & electronic music?

All of us here have our diferences in opinion regarding what's good & what's not, who's the man, who's the sellout. But, one thing that keeps us united is our love of music, in particular EDM. So, with that being said which song do you loathe the most for the sacrilege it has committed to your favourite genre?

I guess System F - Out Of The Blue could be a candidate by taking trance to the epic field. But it was one of the tracks that made me a tranceaddict back in the days..

as the rush comes
whiteroom
serenity
shivers

the jump the fkn train song.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK the jump the fkn train song.

thanks a lot i'd managed to forget about that until now

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK the jump the fkn train song.

Agreed. Theres something wrong with anyone that likes it.

All of the monotonous fluff coming out thesedays is trashing the scene.

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Originally posted by Ian^ thanks a lot i'd managed to forget about that until now

Hahaha! I've never even heard it.

I'm gonna jump the next train
Gonna jump on a plane
Take a ticket to the other side
Jump the next train (X2)

I'm gonna jump the next train
Gonna jump on a plane
Take a ticket to the other side
Jump the next train (X2)

I'm gonna jump the next train
Gonna jump on a plane
Take a ticket to the other side
Jump the next train (X2)

Dear god its dire.

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Originally posted by Ian^ as the rush comes whiteroom serenity shivers

no
no
bad
bad

None are the most damaging song to dance music though.

Any of the stuff that cheapened trance to such a degree it bacame a 'fad' to start listening. None of these songs did that. Something like Heaven, which pulled in every 15 year old teenybopper kid thinking this was trance, not even just 15y/os but the wider community in general. You may say ATRC did that too, but not anywhere near the extent of Heaven (there are other examples, I can't think of them, but Heaven is just an example).

If you say trance to some people, they WILL think Heaven. Far far less peole will think Shivers (and as much as i hate that f'in song, its better than Heaven), and if they think ATRC, they at least have some taste cos its a far better song than any of those others you have mentioned. Even jump thew next train, as bad as it is, did not cheapen trance or dance music.

Gotta agree, Heaven is by by far the worst thing to happen to trance music since, well, ever! Any supposed trance song that you hear on the way to work in the morning, can definitely not be too good!

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK the jump the fkn train song.

HATE(D) this fuckin track
But c'mon guys, to hate ARMIN is ok, its up to you,but to list the trax
u have and "the monotonous fluff thursdays trashing the scene"
is NOWHERE near accurate if you thought for ONE second and remembered:

DJ Sammy - Heaven (and anything else by this clown for that matter)
Darude - Sandstorm
Lasgo - ANYTHING

THESE are examples are ABSOLUTE GARBAGE and have given trance the terrible rep it has

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Originally posted by TheVrk Darude - Sandstorm

Err, no. In fact the track isn't even cheesy - it's just overplayed. It could be damaging, of course, in the fashion of "Oh, I've heard this track so many times, all EDM sucks". And quite frankly I'd hate to have someone who thinks that way listening to the same music as I.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos Err, no. In fact the track isn't even cheesy - it's just overplayed. It could be damaging, of course, in the fashion of "Oh, I've heard this track so many times, all EDM sucks". And quite frankly I'd hate to have someone who thinks that way listening to the same music as I.

True its not a horribly cheesy track like Sammy's work,
but i always hated that track.

I gotta agree, the overplaying of some tracks really does lend itself to hatred! This is especially true if the songs aren't that good in the first place (Egs. anything by Lasgo, Ian Van Dahl or Sammy)! But, the negative influence that these people are drawing really is bringing alot of unneccesary criticism to the genre. We need to start being properly critical, for music's sake!

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Originally posted by TheVrk DJ Sammy - Heaven (and anything else by this clown for that matter) Darude - Sandstorm Lasgo - ANYTHING THESE are examples are ABSOLUTE GARBAGE and have given trance the terrible rep it has

Yet you mention Filo & Peri in your signature.

I kind of agree with Ian^ on the As The Rush Comes thing. Maybe Whiteroom, maybe not. As for Shivers and Serenity, I don't think they've had a big enough impact for them to be detrimental enough. They'll be forgotten in a year.

But ATRC, yes. I actually liked the track - it had a few decent remixes and all that. But the general effect of that song was to show how by cramming a vocalist into a song, regardless of how shit the singing and/or lyrics may be, you are guaranteed success. And that prompted the fluffy vocal trance, y'know like any track with Justine Suissa or Jes Brieden in it, at like 125bpm and some gay guitar thing in the background (*COUGH* GABRIEL AND FUCKING DRESDEN *COUGH*).

In fact, for me, G&D have ruined everything. BEAUTIFUL THINGS, FUCK OFF. But that's purely personal opinion, and I can't set that down as fact. I just hate the pussified stuff they come out with, I hate this "natural" edge they're trying to give to trance.

The '99 era was enough of a deviation from what "trance" was meant to be (i.e. hypnotic, driving) but this new sober vocal material is even further a deviation. What is entrancing about Motorcycle - Around You? Absolutely nothing.

Obviously musicians can make music they like - it's hard to criticise a producer or a song as being bad for the scene.

But I just fucking hate the way people flock to tracks like 'Interstate - I Found U'. It's pathetic. The lyrics are absolutely god-awful - soppy, fabricated shite that belongs in 12 year olds' CD collections. The track has no drive whatsoever, it's not trance, it's completely contrary to trance. It's pure rubbish. AND IT IS ADORED BY SO MANY PEOPLE.

That's where trance falls.

i thought as the rush comes was kinda original (bassline)

Col, Ian, deflate your egos please. Not everybody got into trance in 99, so while I realize the contempt you may have for an overplayed post-99 song, you just simply aren't looking at the big picture. To say As the Rush Comes is detremental to EDM is absolutely absurd. This track pulled many people into the genre and its production did not comprimise the integrity of EDM. Now, you may not enjoy how it was overplayed, but that is not the fault of the track, rather lazy DJs who simply ride the coattails of the latest hit. In short, get over yourselves and perhaps you will see what is truly detremental to EDM, and not just what you have come to loathe for your own personal reasons.

Yeah, fair play.
As I said above, I like ATRC. I just think the movement it prompted makes it bad for EDM.

ATB - 9Pm Till I come
ATB - Dont Stop

Alice Deejay - Better Off Alone

The Ministry of sound compilation stuff, the kinda trance that you still hear at amusement parks, the kind of trance that transformed the crowd from a spiritual movement to a meaningless trend and replaced the genuinely fun people with the trend-hopping sheeplike "see and be seen" crowd.

Its kinda funny though, the people who came before us saw us as sheep when we first got into this stuff, they would probably name PvD and stuff as what ruined the style for them just because it attracted people like me . It really makes me wish I was lucky enough to be a part of some musical following that hasnt been corrupted by its own success, but I cant choose what sounds appeal to me based on who is in the crowd, no matter how hard I try.

Suburban internet geeks such as myself and most of you all seem to be the people that are blamed for the decline of the EDM world in the late 90's, people cite the big trance anthems like out of the blue and urban train as their evidence of that, but now us suburban geek kids are finding our turf invaded by a new crowd of muppets flocking from radio tunes and background music adoring DJ sammy and such, and we name their music like Lasgo and Oceanlab as the songs that are bad for the EDM world. I imagine in a few years time those kids will be here complaining about a new set of songs that has attracted yet another outside demographic that was not there before. And the circle of bitching will continue through eternity.

I guess every new crowd has to deal with this bitching from the old crowd until they either gain acceptance or displace the old corwd. So we have a new crowd coming in, while at the same time the older crowd is still compaining about us, and we are complaining about an even newer crowd. I for one wish we could just all peacefully coexist instead of saying that one persons music is ruining the scene for another person, nobody is forcing anyone to listen to their music.

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Originally posted by kush paintings Col, Ian, deflate your egos please. Not everybody got into trance in 99

I totally understand it, there have been many amazing songs post 1999, I just feel the ones I chose signify where i believe trance is going wrong

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Originally posted by paranoik0 I guess System F - Out Of The Blue could be a candidate by taking trance to the epic field.

agreed in some respects.....i think oakey pay crazy amounts for a very early promo of this

i know a LOT of people are gonna disagree with this but i have to say...


Delirium - Silence (DJ Tiesto's In Search Of Sunrise Mix)


ever since that tune...trance as slowly been deteriorating because i think it put the idea that "hey lets just make a huge super saw synth" in everyone's heads in attempts to mimic the success of tiesto's remix. from then on out, people started trying to make these melodies that were a little too overdone and ridiculous and took focus away from more important things like rhythm and flow...

it totally put the wrong ideas in young producers and trance listeners and killed the genre...

why stop there?? try (insert tiesto song here) on for size i'm sure that if people heard something like space tribe or art of trance (some good artists) the stereotype 12 year old collection of This Is Trance (more like this is bullshit) would never come. nothing good ever came from it (although sara machlaughlan is on it and her music is good, but not for a trance remix)....[/rant]

and yes i agree... dj sammy killed the idea of good trance infecting dancefloors.. lolz i never heard that train song (lucky for me) ... i got into trance by the back door... psytrance and goa.

Rythm and Flow, I am definately not in the majority when it comes to this music. I was always attracted to this style for the synthplay and the repitition, which I always enjoyed mainly because it would allow me to hear a neat noise more than once. The recent move from synthplay in EDM is what causes me alot of sadness. Everything is all about small blips and hits, the idea beaing that those create an environment more conducive to dancing than the wild unreal melodies and synths. I came to this music for the overdone melodies which as I have learned over the years is not what most of the other people came for. Dont get me wrong I enjoy a skillfully crafted rythm but I have always felt like the meat was the synthplay and the rest was just a fun little garnish. I am the opposite of most everybody is seems, most people feel that synthplay can just be completely removed and it makes the music better. Which was why I never took to enjoying prog or techno or most house music. Something about how a sequence of numbers could incite an emotion always fascinated me, but everybody else seems to be more interested in synchronization.

But I find that the synthplay I once enjoyed is gone now, I no longer hear wild unreal sounds that only machines can create, I just hear the same noises over and over, perhaps there are no more possibilities for fun electronic noises, maybe this is why people are only enjoying rythm and bass these days. I guess I have been functioning off of these totaly wrong ideas the entire time and that is why the new cool styles have alienated me.

Even the old "better" songs had alot of synthplay in them, granted they werent quite so sing songy, but there was a pleasant balance between drumming and synthing, now days I find that drumming has become much more prevalent than synthesizing, and yes I am aware that drums are also considered as synthesizing but drums mostly sound the same to me and the synthplay I remember always seemed to have more variety in it, until maybe 2002 or so. I just dont think that a oneshot beat has the same beauty in it as a continuos noise. Maybe I should have gotten into ambient instead, unfortunately I like energetic synthplay, is there a different genre I might feel more at home with than epic trance?

I cant force myself to enjoy prog and techno and the other drummy boomy styles, they sound like they dont have any real feeling or inspiration in them to me. I guess I was just never a big drum loving guy, but the energy that radiates from dance music still managed to attract me somehow(the 4/4 beat is friggin perfect for doing this). I have tried branching out into so many other styles recently only to find myself still unsatisfied, I get bored by brooding prog music, I get annoyed at twinkly prog music, techno makes me feel like I am stuck in traffic, I find IDM too awkward, DnB and breaks are enjoyable in small doses but I find that most of that music is quite obnoxious, trance was my happy medium for everything for such a long time but I cant find good trance anymore either.

I am getting a bit desperate for enjoyable music, and it seems more and more that the bulk of the EDM crowd is not interested in the things that I am interested in, but I dont know where else to go to find the sounds that I like. Everything outside of EDM seems to come in 3 minute chunks and I like them longer.

I bet by reading this post you can deduce that I am not much of a dancer.

gawd damnit this thing grew into another essay, I am so sorry guys but please read it and help me find what I am looking for.

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