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Going to the dogs...

Yes it's meaningless poll time...

Ok folks, now I'm really worried about the state of trance (no not the label).

Got my end of weekly update on new tunes from Chemical Records and lo and behold what did I find on the list... Crazy Frog!

Not to mention a selection of other trance bordering on Hard House...

The trance gigs are getting less and less.
More and more you hear people on dance floors saying that they can't be arsed with the long breakdowns and find it tedious not to put it too bluntly.
Trance needs to pull it's head out of it's own arse and come up with some quality tunes because this is getting old.
These days I get more work playing tough House and Electro House which I don't mind as I enjoy playing that too but I prefer Trance anyday... well used to.

My friends record shop is actually thinking of stocking trance as sales have dipped so much.

By the way, Indie Pop sucks wet monkey nuts!! Kids these days, think they have found something new when they pick up a guitar and play in a live band... listen man, that's Granny music.

Ok rant over and not even sure if it was worth making a thread over but hey here you go.

Ok, to the point do any of you think that trance is healthy, needs vamping up, getting old or the best thing since sliced cucumber? Would be interesting to hear your opinions.

Cheers
Nem

PS
Did I say that Indie pop sucks wet monkey nuts!

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Indie Pop... yada yada yada

so true

the only time i really play trance is at the afterhours club

any regular hours gigs are all house and electro

Most of my new stuff is now progtrance, usually have trance melodies with a long progressive bassline and best of all very small if any..breakdowns. Yea, alot of the new stuff needs to be burned!

yeah, too true nem

its becoming harder and harder to find new, decent tunes. ive resigned myself to buying older classics that everyone's heard a million times

luckily ive just discovered melodic prog house, so im gonna have a squiz at that for a bit.

imo many of the newer producers dont really "get" how trance works and what makes it so much better than all the other genres. some of them sound like their melodies were written by a 5 year old.

its a real shame

havent played real trance in a long time, tastes have just kind have changed i guess.

trance is dead

Still like it, but I like a blended mix. A house set feels like it's going nowhere, and techno from start to finish gets really boring, really fast. I find that trance is best as a part of a varied set. For example; you'd start with poppy-house stuff, move on to trance for 30-60 minutes, then tech-trance, techno, and finish with some really messed up psy.

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Originally posted by Aquarian Still like it, but I like a blended mix. A house set feels like it's going nowhere, and techno from start to finish gets really boring, really fast. I find that trance is best as a part of a varied set. For example; you'd start with poppy-house stuff, move on to trance for 30-60 minutes, then tech-trance, techno, and finish with some really messed up psy.

I agree, that is what i'm trying to head for in my sets in the future, once I get my MP3 and Wave collection up and possibly vinyl once i get TTs again. I have been bored with just playing uplifting trance, which is partially why I stopped with TTs, because I couldn't afford to buy a whole new collection of stuff with more varied sounds. I would do this, except I think I would start off with some ambient or chill out type stuff, like possibly some downbeat or trip hop. Then I would move into prog house, vocal or deep house, and then move into prog trance and some techno, and then maybe end with some epic anthem. Once I get my full DJ set up (I just have CDJs, a mixer, headphones and speakers, i need a soundcard and monitors for recording and of course some new TTs), I will try to attempt this kind of set and see how it goes.

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Originally posted by CleverName trance is dead

not at all. Its just a very big room type of sound that is hard to make work in a non-mega club setting. Here in NYC 1000's of people make it out to hear the big guys (Armin, PVD, Tiesto etc...) play, but thatsd not really the reality for most djs. There are only a handful of mega clubs like that where trance is gonna fly in this city. But for the most part its not appropriate. i would love to be able to play an all out trance set out, but right now its hard, especially in a city like NYC that is dominated by house music.

I love the old stuff.. i'll always listen to it, however I have been dipping into other genres. Such as Psy/Goa sound, and some prog/electro, but mostly Psy... However, in the past couple weeks, I seem to be coming across some REALLY good trance... Nothing that compares to the old days, but still DAMN good IMO... maybe its just a select few, but its different than the past 1.5-2 years...

in my opinion, this thread is about a year or 2 late its very rare if any new trance tune that i hear impresses me (don't get me wrong, there have been very few exceptions). sadly, ideas seem to have been thin on the ground for a long time.

its sad, but that's life. maybe it will come better again, but i highly doubt it will ever reach the same level as it used to be because, quite plainly, there is only so much you can do to a trance track before making it not 'trance'.

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Originally posted by zizack not at all. Its just a very big room type of sound that is hard to make work in a non-mega club setting. Here in NYC 1000's of people make it out to hear the big guys (Armin, PVD, Tiesto etc...) play, but thatsd not really the reality for most djs. There are only a handful of mega clubs like that where trance is gonna fly in this city. But for the most part its not appropriate. i would love to be able to play an all out trance set out, but right now its hard, especially in a city like NYC that is dominated by house music.

I think I will have to disagree with you on that. I have seen trance played in clubs with 500 capacity and it's rocked... or it used to atleast.
I suppose I can't really speak for the US but that was the case in the UK.

I think TuFace said it pretty well too when he said...

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there is only so much you can do to a trance track before making it not 'trance'

And I agree, this thread probably is two years late.

cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 I think I will have to disagree with you on that. I have seen trance played in clubs with 500 capacity and it's rocked... or it used to atleast. I suppose I can't really speak for the US but that was the case in the UK.

i've played to a room with less than 100 people in it, had every single person on the dancefloor with some good energetic trance and everyone had a great night

it all depends on how you use it and when you use it

99-02 was the full on epic trance years. they are long gone. Its all tech/prog house/trance house these days

Ive got loads of old classics here. In fact today I picked up the Signum remix of Lost Tribe - Gamemaster (isnt this one fairly hard to find?), Bealeric Bill - Destinations Sunshine and Chicane - Offshore.. Ive had em on mp3 for years but always wanted em on vinyl. The old classics will never be forgotten.

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Originally posted by Tony Morello i've played to a room with less than 100 people in it, had every single person on the dancefloor with some good energetic trance and everyone had a great night it all depends on how you use it and when you use it

It was the same over here at one stage. So I know exactly where you are coming from.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 It was the same over here at one stage. So I know exactly where you are coming from. Cheers Nem

Looking at your profile, 'over here' is Brighton, UK. I can sympathise completely - I travel to Brighton regularly and can barely find any trance at all in the record shops there.

I don't think it's too bad... yeah a lot of people are moving away from it into tech house, electro etc but so what? That's only happened because loads of people have started making some absolutley awesome electro, not necessarily because trance has gone sour. The arrangements and sounds being used in a lot of trance is still as varied as it's ever been, particularly with all the tech trance around at the moment.

Look at hard house/hard trance though - there's a genre which has sufferred greatly from loads of new producers suddenly flooding the scene... something which should give it a new lease of life, but with every one of them copying the same one or two producers (quite often not to the same standard, using the same sequencer, VSTs and general production arrangements simply 'because X does it') you just end up with loads of tunes trying to sound the same as each other (and it doesn't help that some of the main producers being copied tend to have particularly 'standard' production sounds anyway!)... added to that the fact that you now have just the same 5 or 6 producers engineering just about everything that comes out, what it starts to lack is the variation in textures in the track. Obviously you can't expect every track to have a really original lead notation, structure etc but you can make it stand out by using different sounds (in both the perc and the synths) etc... which you're not going to get with only a handful of engineers in the whole scene, because they'll just keep doing what they've always been doing. Half the stuff that comes out now just sounds really simple and flat to me when it used to be a lot more interesting. That's more of a dying genre, and yet Tidy are filling just about every event they put on.

Trance hasn't had this problem and is still, in my opinion, offering loads of originality, so yeah it's a bit less popular than it was 5 years ago, but with 12000 people filling the Godskitchen tent at Global Gathering (with a good 50000 or so at the event in total) and however many people at Dance Valley, Cream @ Amnesia in Ibiza being rammed week in, week out for the whole of the summer and just about any event PVD or Tiesto plays selling out, trance definately isn't dead yet.

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Originally posted by FirstBorn Looking at your profile, 'over here' is Brighton, UK. I can sympathise completely - I travel to Brighton regularly and can barely find any trance at all in the record shops there.

Getting trance hasn't really been a problem for me. And besides there are shops in Brighton that have sections on it. It just doesn't seem to be going off the same way. Most of my gigs these days are further a field and perhaps it's just the travel that's getting to me a bit lately.

Maybe it's just me but these days nothing seems to stand out from the rest. There don't seem to be that many tunes that you instantly recognise as being full of energy and exceptional in anything other than quality of production.
I guess we need to sit down and write some he he.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Look at hard house/hard trance though - there's a genre which has sufferred greatly from loads of new producers suddenly flooding the scene... something which should give it a new lease of life, but with every one of them copying the same one or two producers (quite often not to the same standard, using the same sequencer, VSTs and general production arrangements simply 'because X does it') you just end up with loads of tunes trying to sound the same as each other (and it doesn't help that some of the main producers being copied tend to have particularly 'standard' production sounds anyway!)... added to that the fact that you now have just the same 5 or 6 producers engineering just about everything that comes out, what it starts to lack is the variation in textures in the track. Obviously you can't expect every track to have a really original lead notation, structure etc but you can make it stand out by using different sounds (in both the perc and the synths) etc... which you're not going to get with only a handful of engineers in the whole scene, because they'll just keep doing what they've always been doing. Half the stuff that comes out now just sounds really simple and flat to me when it used to be a lot more interesting. That's more of a dying genre, and yet Tidy are filling just about every event they put on.

You have probably hit the nail on the head there.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Getting trance hasn't really been a problem for me. And besides there are shops in Brighton that have sections on it.

Really? I've never had any luck. Any you can recommend?

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Originally posted by FirstBorn Looking at your profile, 'over here' is Brighton, UK. I can sympathise completely - I travel to Brighton regularly and can barely find any trance at all in the record shops there.

I haven't been very successful the last few times I've been to record shops, which is why I just buy everything online now. It's just the way things change.

As it is with the huge catalogues of Juno, Chemical, Massive etc to choose from without leaving your home, being able to listen through 5 tunes in a minute instead of 5 tunes in 20 mins in a record store and it being cheaper, it's just so much more convenient, so more and more people are tending to do that... resulting in a drop in record store sales so they start stocking less.

But when record stores start doing digital sales from the shops themselves (i.e. you turn up with an iPod or a flash memory stick, plug it in and copy across the tunes you buy, with every tune in the shop available to you) I think record shopping could get more popular again... if this happens! Which it should cos that'd be cool.

I get alot of my trance off chemical records. Postage is well cheap and they often have some excellent deals on. I live in Devon and can find trance in at least 3 records shops. One of those being a HMV. I also know of a shop here that sell alot of older trance extrememly cheap like 10 for a �5.. secondhand obviously but ive picked up some old classics which il prob never play out but i wanna keep them if I ever do an oldskool set in the future

Check out stuff by these producers:

Alex M.O.R.P.H. (a.k.a Arc In The Sky)
John "00" Fleming
Haak
Oliver Prime
Digital Blonde
Steve Birch
Miika Kuisma
M.I.K.E.
Rank 1
Sam Sharp / Sander Van Doorn
Marco V


There is still good trance around, but you have to look a bit harder!

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Originally posted by FirstBorn Really? I've never had any luck. Any you can recommend?

It's more a case of knowing what you want before you go in and they will order it for you.

BPM just oposite the town hall is probably the best place for trance. They do stock a load but often wont necessarily know some of the finer points.

The guy that runs it (Ciaran McCarthy who plays at the Turnmills from time to time and a Honey Club resident) is more of a prog DJ so want always stock tons of trance but as I said he will order it for you. Based on this though, if you are not a Brighton resident it may not be worth you doing this as you can probably get them quicker of the net.

They do get a lot of interesting promos but usually only single copies and oddly enough they have a habit of ending up in my record bag before anyone really knows that they have even been in the shop, but that's what mates are for and probably one of the more anoying things if you are starting out as a DJ. (Sorry)

Give us a shout if you are in the vicinity and we can check it out.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Trance hasn't had this problem and is still, in my opinion, offering loads of originality, so yeah it's a bit less popular than it was 5 years ago, but with 12000 people filling the Godskitchen tent at Global Gathering (with a good 50000 or so at the event in total) and however many people at Dance Valley, Cream @ Amnesia in Ibiza being rammed week in, week out for the whole of the summer and just about any event PVD or Tiesto plays selling out, trance definately isn't dead yet.

Exactly, why would the world's top four DJ's be trance if it was dead? I'm grudgingly getting into prog house/deep house, minimal and the such as that's all they play in clubs in Leeds, but it doesnt give me anywhere near the rush that trance does.

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