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Posted by djlogik on Oct-15-2005 18:23:

Polyphony on Pro-53?

I'm trying to play some chords with a supersaw pad I made and the notes won't play at the same time. Just wondering why it isn't working.

Posted by tylerc on Oct-15-2005 18:30:

because you have 'unison' turned on

Posted by djlogik on Oct-15-2005 18:47:

but what if i want unison turned on so i can have a more full sound? Any other way to do it?

Posted by Derivative on Oct-15-2005 19:12:

the whole point of unison is to stack all voices on the synth in monophonic playback.

you cant get that prophet unison sound with polyphonic playback. for one thing it would sound like ear splitting shit...

you shouldnt need to use unison to make supersawish sounds on pro 53 anyway unless you are making hard unison leads. in which case you wont be playing chords.

Posted by everyMan on Oct-15-2005 20:10:

The only way to make chords, when unison is 'on', is to create another instance of pro-5, with the same preset..

Posted by DigiNut on Oct-15-2005 20:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Derivative
for one thing it would sound like ear splitting shit...

Isn't that the point of a super saw?

Posted by Derivative on Oct-15-2005 21:05:

dude?! have you heard the unison on a prophet?! its a shredding, brutal, brutal sound!

Posted by DigiNut on Oct-15-2005 21:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Derivative
its a shredding, brutal, brutal sound!

And the super saw...?

Posted by Icone on Oct-15-2005 22:35:

quote:
Originally posted by everyMan
The only way to make chords, when unison is 'on', is to create another instance of pro-5, with the same preset..

Et viola, c'est �a!

Posted by Derivative on Oct-16-2005 01:45:

supersaw is waay different. i mean, its an oscillator.

unison on the prophet doesnt work like the supersaw oscillator.

using a patch that uses the supersaw oscillator you can stack voices in unison. the process of stacking voices in unison is not the same as detuning and panspreading multiple saw wave oscillators before it gets to the filter stage. unison != supersaw

i still cannot see why anyone would want to play a supersaw type unison patch in pro 53 with multiple voices - it just seems like overkill.

i mean theres fat and theres just plain stupid :/

Posted by DigiNut on Oct-16-2005 02:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Derivative
supersaw is waay different. i mean, its an oscillator.

unison on the prophet doesnt work like the supersaw oscillator.

using a patch that uses the supersaw oscillator you can stack voices in unison. the process of stacking voices in unison is not the same as detuning and panspreading multiple saw wave oscillators before it gets to the filter stage. unison != supersaw

i still cannot see why anyone would want to play a supersaw type unison patch in pro 53 with multiple voices - it just seems like overkill.

i mean theres fat and theres just plain stupid :/

Super saw is 8 oscillators actually.

I never said that they were the same thing - but they *are* both ear-splitting.

Posted by thecYrus on Oct-16-2005 08:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Derivative
i still cannot see why anyone would want to play a supersaw type unison patch in pro 53 with multiple voices - it just seems like overkill.

for all those big pads you hear in almost every trance tune you'll need unison and a polyphone unison mode..

Posted by Derivative on Oct-16-2005 14:33:

cYrus - you misunderstand me. there are 2 types of unison that i know of. the first type is like that on the prophet and the old analogue polys. like the juno 106. it stacks all available voices onto 1 key for monophonic playback. therefore, you cant play pads with it because you can only ever play 1 note at a time. unless your pado nly consists of 1 note at a time...which is rare :/

the other type of unison is like that available on the virus. sort of like a dynamic unison - it allows you to stack voices onto a key incrementally. my virus b unison doesnt stack all 24 voices onto 1 key. instead it gives you the option to stack 2/3/4/5/6/7/8 voices onto 1 key.

therefore you can still actually play basic 3 note chords for pads on a virus (because 8 x 3 = 24), even with unison on x8 (provided you arent using the 3rd oscillator because it reduces the number of available voices). even then i think x8 unison on the virus is too much. ive gotten monster pads using only x3 and x4.

even then, the unison on the virus behaves differently to the unison on the prophet. very differently. its more subtle and closer to a really big chorus than it is a full blown analogue poly unison.

Posted by thecYrus on Oct-16-2005 15:39:

well, i know that.. but i don't see the point why NI doesn't allow polyphonic unison.. it would be so easy to implement..

Posted by Derivative on Oct-16-2005 16:15:

pro-53 = prophet 5 emulation. they could easily do it as you suggested. but then unison mode wouldnt sound or behave anything like the real deal.

it would be like having a polyphonic unison on a juno 106. it wouldnt sound like a 106 :/

Posted by thecYrus on Oct-16-2005 16:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Derivative
pro-53 = prophet 5 emulation. they could easily do it as you suggested. but then unison mode wouldnt sound or behave anything like the real deal.

it would be like having a polyphonic unison on a juno 106. it wouldnt sound like a 106 :/

then they shouldn't allow to save presets

Posted by Derivative on Oct-16-2005 16:30:

point taken :O

but i ask you...have you ever switched unison on in pro 53 and seriously wanted to play chords it?! as in, not trying to make a stupid gabber white noise hoover?!

Posted by thecYrus on Oct-16-2005 16:36:

yes, all the time.. that's why i don't use pro53 anymore.. i've a lopt of great presets with unison and the effect is subtle and doesn't sound cheese or gabber like..

Posted by Icone on Oct-16-2005 16:57:

I quite like the unison mode on the Pro-53... I've actually made quite some tracks with that one as 'main lead'.

Given the fact that it's so easy to get a supersaw-ish sound out of it, isn't it worth applying some 'right' effects to make it sound a-ok?

Posted by djlogik on Oct-17-2005 16:54:

Like I said I have a supersaw pad that I created with unison turned on because otherwise it sounds kinda dull...you need at least 8 voices or so for the sound to be "full." And I would like polyphony so I can create chords with the supersaw, but it seems that I'll have to create 2 or so more instances of the pro-53 or maybe z3ta or something in order to get some chords out of this thing. If anyone has any other VST's or something that has unison or polyphonic unison mode please tell me. I'm trying to create a really uplifting kind of trance track and I think that some chords and my version of a supersaw will really sound great. I'll upload in a few or something if you guys would like to hear it.

Posted by djlogik on Oct-17-2005 17:11:

cyrus are you using z3ta now for your supersaw sounds? I'm not too great with z3ta so that's why I use pro-53.

Posted by thecYrus on Oct-17-2005 17:28:

for supersaws i've my hardware synths.. but i use also quite often the supersaw reaktor ensemble from rb2k1(for which i've made a soundset). or AAS ultra analog...