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Whats wrong with vocals in trance?

I've been reading around and the general consensus seems to be that people don't like a lot of the songs I would consider to be good, mainly because they've got vocals. I don't have any problem with them. I used to hate them, but have since found that they give the song much more emotion and draw me into it more. Sexy female vocals can't be beat.

Take Burned with Desire for instance or Yet Another Day. Both of those are incredible songs with great vocals. Another one I hear being bashed is Satellite by Oceanlab. Whats wrong with this song? I'd like to take a step back and look at the construction of the vocals, their poetical feat. The whole thing is iambic pentameter...it makes the song wonderfully pleasing to hear. When I say pentameter, I mean the emphasis on the syllabols inherent to the english language. Emphasis in the song is cap'd:
"you're HALF a WORLD aWAY" but in my mind
"i WHISper EV'ry SINGle WORD you SAY" and before you sleep at night
"you PRAY to ME your LUCKy STAR your SINGing SATelLITE"

I don't mean the note changes accompanying the words (sounds like "luckY star YOUR singING sat [lower] ell [lower] ite"). I think this songs was designed with musical effect as the primary focus, not having understandable vocals; the music builds right with the lyrics.

Besides, vocals make a song 2x as sexy and attractive. Thoughts?

I like vocals in some songs,especially the sexy female voices. Like you said,makes the song twice as sexy.

most people who dont listen to trance as a mainstream genre of music think vocals are gay, especially female ones. hell i love it, its uneducated ******s who are unsure of their own sexuality who complain about teh gheyness, yet they LOVE JESSIE MCCARTNEY LOLZ

Annoying interruptions.

Fake, feather-lite pap. Pulp schlock. Corny melodrama. Inane, third rate highschool sophomore lyrics. Cheap knockoff, added only as afterthought, to sell to pop charts and radio stations. The loudest echo of something once pure and pristine completely sold down the river.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Annoying interruptions. Fake, feather-lite pap. Pulp schlock. Corny melodrama. Inane, third rate highschool sophomore lyrics. Cheap knockoff, added only as afterthought, to sell to pop charts and radio stations. The loudest echo of something once pure and pristine completely sold down the river.

your not burned with desire?

Vocals are a great way to tell a story through a song or just to be used as a coating but only when used well.

Some songs are made better with vocals, some songs are better off without them. It's ultimately a subjective matter. I wouldn't take most of the popular "OPINION" floating around this forum to heart. Some people are just attention whores who will make it their mission to blanket bash an entire style of music they can't agree with every chance they get just to feel better about themselves.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 your not burned with desire?

Well, Ishkur really is like no one on earth...

vocals in songs are fine when they are done right. the songs that you mention have horrible vocals. both poorly written and terribly incorporated into the songs.

Don't make the elitist pricks in this forum influence you from liking what you want to like........

But a lot of vocals in trance are really stupid and cheesy. This is a fact.

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Originally posted by *InVeRs3* Don't make the elitist pricks in this forum influence you from liking what you want to like........ But a lot of vocals in trance are really stupid and cheesy. This is a fact.

now why is it so elitist...but then you just go and say the exact same thing? maybe not of his particular examples...but really?

The reason why it most often dont work is cause theyre overdone. too much, too "raise to roof" intended.
delicate use of vocals on the other hand... can send shivers through the spine for sure.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller now why is it so elitist...but then you just go and say the exact same thing? maybe not of his particular examples...but really?

There's a semantics issue here.

He shouldn't get a hissy-fit over someone's opinion. That was what I was trying to say.

But a lot of trance vocals are stupid and cheesy. It's a fact. There's no escaping this fact. Read over some trance lyrics. But that doesn't mean that the song is nice to listen to and it doesn't stop it from being fun.

You probobly saw through my excuse, so i'll just say you're right.

Its because there is an extremely fine line between good well done vocal trance (eg: Kansai - Remember this Night, Satelite) and cheesy as shite psuedo dance/trance crap (DJ Sammy, Sash).

Many of these vocal numbers tread both paths and end up being just crap vocal trance. Trance can come perilously close to being euro cheese at the best of times and throwing in vocals is like skinny dipping with sharks. You'd better know what the hell your doing...

today there is practically no good tunes with vocals done. that era is long ago over. the reason for this is that the majority of the tunes with vocals are not made with vocals in mind when originally made (4 strings - into the night etc). That's why they sounds so horribly wrong when the producer just slaps some random shit vocals over the instrumental tune. It's like if he can only fit them in the breakdown where it gets silent for a while.
And the mood in the tune rarely works well with the vocals making most vocals sound like a joke.
Oh and finally what the fuck is "my sleeping satellite" ? Someone should throw in a satellite into the anjunabeats studio.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Oh and finally what the fuck is "my sleeping satellite" ? Someone should throw in a satellite into the anjunabeats studio.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Oh and finally what the fuck is "my sleeping satellite" ?

It's 'singing satellite', and I agree that those vocals are pure cheddar, but then there are some cheddary vox I like, like Dumonde vs Lange - Memory

Vocals I love:

Lustral - Everytime
Andain - Beautiful Things
BT - Mercury & Solace

omg satellites can sing nowadays :E

my view is it depends on the track,some work well with vocals meanwhile some tracks have vocals which dont ,its just supposed to be non vocal

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Originally posted by RebeL9 omg satellites can sing nowadays :E

He must be a fat bastard to have such a high gravitational force to keep Ms Suisse orbiting like that

sometimes they sound cheap and crap, but i guess it depends on who you are and your own tastes. the lange remix of 'agnelli & nelson - everyday' is just about my favourite ever track, and i love the words in it, cheesy or not other times however they just seem silly, and pretty much all the same.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n It's 'singing satellite', and I agree that those vocals are pure cheddar, but then there are some cheddary vox I like, like Dumonde vs Lange - Memory Vocals I love: Lustral - Everytime Andain - Beautiful Things BT - Mercury & Solace

Sleeping Satellite is a track by Aurora remixed by Super8....

we ll never more hear vocals tracks produces so good like these:

bt - mercury and solace
jan johnston - flesh
delerium - silence
nalin e kane - open your eyes
luminary - my world (this one is the last vocal trike i liked)

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Originally posted by PlasticSoul we ll never more hear vocals tracks produces so good like these: bt - mercury and solace jan johnston - flesh delerium - silence nalin e kane - open your eyes luminary - my world (this one is the last vocal trike i liked)

dunno about the others, but delerium is a rock band, so they arent technically trance vocals

I Know You're Gone - Max Graham Feat. Jessica Jacobs

Now Thats a great vocal song!

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