Vinyl is the only way to Dj. IMHO

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Posted by LazFX on Oct-21-2005 12:03:

Vinyl is the only way to Dj. IMHO

First I have to put up with the wanna be that thinks mixing exclusive on a laptop makes him a Dj!!
Now this shit!!!!!!

I guess I am getting old.

Posted by DJ Cinos on Oct-21-2005 12:16:

Mixing on laptops DOES make you a DJ. What the hell does it matter what medium the DJ uses as long as he does it well?

Posted by jamiepollock643 on Oct-21-2005 12:24:

I agree with the ipod thing, it does look ridiculous. BUT ableton on the other hand im all for and for the love of god would all the technophobes just stfu about it. If u feel vinyls the only way to go then fine....stop creating useless fucking threads about it and play vinyl and leave the rest of the people to use wotever they want to.

Posted by placebo on Oct-21-2005 12:25:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=75921

Posted by LazFX on Oct-21-2005 12:27:

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos
Mixing on laptops DOES make you a DJ.

Ha ha ha ha

This is funny.

p.s. there is nothing wrong with Djing with CDs.

Posted by DJ Cinos on Oct-21-2005 12:42:

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Originally posted by LazFX
Ha ha ha ha

This is funny.

p.s. there is nothing wrong with Djing with CDs.

I think you're a bit too obsessed with yourself. Pull your head out of your ass and realize that the DJ's job is to deliver the music and get the crowd going - by whatever means make for the best experience. Everybody go ahead and choose the medium you do it better with.

If there's a shitty vinyl DJ and a masterful laptop DJ playing, who do you go dance to?

Posted by kr00t0n on Oct-21-2005 12:44:

The ipod mixer is bollocks:

"you can�t do pitch control to fine-tune beat matching, and you can�t listen to your cued channel in one ear while the other channel plays � another knock against keeping a single groove moving along."

lol

Posted by basd on Oct-21-2005 13:06:

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Originally posted by LazFX
I guess I am getting old.

1971? Newsflash, you are.

Posted by Ted Promo on Oct-21-2005 13:59:

Do you really expect people to continue to mix with a medium that was invented in the fucking 1910's? Not gonna happen. Just accept the fact that things evolve and either way it sounds good in the end. Ableton mashups own all your asses.

Posted by Ojay on Oct-21-2005 15:12:

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quote:
Originally posted by LazFX
First I have to put up with the wanna be that thinks mixing exclusive on a laptop makes him a Dj!!
Now this shit!!!!!!

I guess I am getting old.

Now I remember live-sets by Kyau vs. Albert where the two guys used vinyls in addition to music stored in their synthesizers they used to play on.

I think, that is the future. So in principle you will have both in the future - stored digital music mixed together with vinyls.

For white labels it is not an option to produce CDs, they will stick to vinyls (cheap) and to music productions that can be stored digitally (even cheaper). Finally you just need suitable mixers...

Posted by skip on Oct-21-2005 15:17:

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Originally posted by oje_oje
Now I remember live-sets by Kyau vs. Albert where the two guys used vinyls in addition to music stored in their synthesizers they used to play on.

I think, that is the future. So in principle you will have both in the future - stored digital music mixed together with vinyls.

For white labels it is not an option to produce CDs, they will stick to vinyls (cheap) and to music productions that can be stored digitally (even cheaper). Finally you just need suitable mixers...

LOL! you think vinyl is cheaper to produce than CDS!? and what are CDs doing if not storing music productions digitally?! and what's wrong with the mixers used nowadays?!

Posted by kr00t0n on Oct-21-2005 15:26:

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Originally posted by oje_oje
For white labels it is not an option to produce CDs, they will stick to vinyls (cheap)

erm, the majority of white label releases are on cd now

Posted by Ojay on Oct-21-2005 15:36:

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Originally posted by skip
LOL! you think vinyl is cheaper to produce than CDS!? and what are CDs doing if not storing music productions digitally?! and what's wrong with the mixers used nowadays?!

Come on! CDs are the most expensive way to store music productions digitally.

I have nothing against any mixer, you misinterpreted me.

Posted by akkare on Oct-21-2005 15:36:

When you start thinking that a type of medium is more important than the music, and the delivery of it itself, that's when you become an elitist.

It's a good thing the masses don't really give a shit, because if they did, EDM would be held back from progressing heavily because of this non-sense mentality.

Posted by DJ Cinos on Oct-21-2005 15:38:

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Posted by skip on Oct-21-2005 15:49:

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quote:
Originally posted by oje_oje
Come on! CDs are the most expensive way to store music productions digitally.

I have nothing against any mixer, you misinterpreted me.

surely not the most expensive. what's cheaper then other than downloads? cds are pretty damn cheap to produce. i can't think of any better/cheaper format at least. and what was it that you meant to say about the mixers then? why wouldn't the mixers of today be suitable?

Posted by Ojay on Oct-21-2005 16:03:

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Originally posted by skip
surely not the most expensive. what's cheaper then other than downloads? cds are pretty damn cheap to produce. i can't think of any better/cheaper format at least.

"what's cheaper then other than downloads?" <--> "cds are pretty damn cheap to produce. i can't think of any better/cheaper format at least."

You seeeee??? It is cheapest to d/l them: no external costs for the producers at all (shipping, CD-burning, etc...)

quote:
Originally posted by skip
and what was it that you meant to say about the mixers then? why wouldn't the mixers of today be suitable?

Read the thread again, again and again until you find out that I said exactly the opposite.

Posted by Floorfiller on Oct-21-2005 16:06:

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Originally posted by oje_oje
You seeeee??? It is cheapest to d/l them: no external costs for the producers at all (shipping, CD-burning, etc...)

Read the thread again, again and again until you find out that I said exactly the opposite.

and that's just why the online download sites are making huge markups on their products...that's all that is really changing. i think downloads are a little too expensive actually. i'm not gonna pay 2-3 bucks for a downloaded song...

Posted by Zombie0915 on Oct-21-2005 16:15:

It really is too bad that this ipod mixer cant speed up and slow down the tunes. Plugging in 2 hard drives full of music into a mixer is a fun idea though, but if yer gonna go that far you might as well use an entire computer and get a control surface or something.

Posted by skip on Oct-21-2005 16:47:

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quote:
Originally posted by oje_oje
"what's cheaper then other than downloads?" <--> "cds are pretty damn cheap to produce. i can't think of any better/cheaper format at least."

You seeeee??? It is cheapest to d/l them: no external costs for the producers at all (shipping, CD-burning, etc...)

Read the thread again, again and again until you find out that I said exactly the opposite.

there's only one problem with downloads! you can't sell your old downloads! i think that's a major problem. and most people want something concrete, something they can touch, not some file on computer's hdd. but still i'm not against downloads, i think they have potential.

and i still don't see what you were saying about mixers. why do you have to be such an idiot that you can't elaborate? i think you're just talking out of your ass, but i'd be glad to be proved wrong, but so far all your explanations have been very bad. did you seriously think vinyl is cheaper to produce than CDs?

Posted by david.michael on Oct-21-2005 16:58:

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Posted by jonze on Oct-21-2005 17:21:

i think Lawler said it very well.

ETN: Do you feel that vinyl still has any advantages or is it totally a dead format?
Steve Lawler: It's a dead format, really. It kills me to say that. I mean I still collect vinyl, I still buy records, and I still keep them, but what I tend to do is, whatever I get on vinyl I burn it straight to CD. I can do so much more with CD players now than what I can with vinyl, it doesn't really hold up any more. If I started playing records I'd get bored. There's fuck all I can do apart from put two records together, you know? With CD players I'm constantly doing shit, so it's much more creative for me.

Posted by idoru on Oct-21-2005 18:08:

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Originally posted by david.michael
repost x 0298102938019283

Yep. Same topic, same opinions, same bitching. It'll always be debated, and there will never be an agreement between either side.

Posted by Jason7 on Oct-21-2005 18:44:

Not using vinyl takes some of the romance out of DJing. If you went to a rock concert and the guitarist just stood next to a computer and played a pre-recorded guitar rift, it would most likly sound the same, but people would feel like they got ripped off. It's similar to DJing - some people like to see the DJ manuelly queing up vinyls with their hands and grabbing the big black disks out of his box/bag and flipping them onto the turntables.

However, with that being said my argument doesn't hold too much water. The only time the DJ is the surpreme focus of a the gig is when your watching a dvd / online video of his set. When your at the club the focus is (or also is) the party going on. What the DJing is playing is more important than how it's being played in such a case. Also, a lot of the time you can't even see what the DJ is doing since the DJ booth is usually elevated.

My opinion on this -- I care about the music fist and foremost. I'ld prefer vinyl being used (not nesecarly 100% vinyl even), but it's not gonna make me think X_dj sucks because they use cds.

Posted by bas on Oct-21-2005 19:12:

ok...the only people that slam cds and computer software, HAVEN'T USED IT. it's that simple, i was the same way, always saying "cds are crappy" and blah blah...anyway, i got some cdj 800's never looked back at vinyl. what's the point? lawler's right...you can do soooo much more, and it makes it so much more fun. loop, re-loop, call, scratch, play backwards. can't do any of that with vinyl.

and i have to agree with jason, the prices are fucking ludicrous. 3 dollars for an mp3? my ass!

and whoever said "cds have potential"...welcome to 4 years ago lol

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