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what is it about this chord progresson that makes it so emotive?
is it just me that has great feelings when listening to ACE tunes?

*posted in here cause music discussion apparently wasnt the right place *

Re: ACE Chord Progression

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Originally posted by kadomony *posted in here cause music discussion apparently wasnt the right place *

I think the Production Studio is the place to inquire...

not sure why it's a particulary emotional chord progression... I'm gonna play around with it tonight though - thanks

oh WTF another wrong thread hahah.
i just read Music Producers

A, C, E, are not chords...
A, C, E would be notes only and I don't think you'd call it very emotive if the whole tune had only 3 notes

you maybe mean progression of chords which roots are A C and E?
but you could specify which...as we don't know if major/minor/diminished/augmented...or another gazillion of chord variations...

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Originally posted by BOOsTER A, C, E, are not chords... A, C, E would be notes only and I don't think you'd call it very emotive if the whole tune had only 3 notes you maybe mean progression of chords which roots are A C and E? but you could specify which...as we don't know if major/minor/diminished/augmented...or another gazillion of chord variations...

yes, particularly Am, Cm, Em.

2 examples:
http://host115.ipowerweb.com/~plezu...her/example.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF159713-01-02-02.mp3

Sounds more like those samples are going from Am to CMaj, which would explain why they're emotive - the change from minor to major

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Originally posted by pho mo Sounds more like those samples are going from Am to CMaj, which would explain why they're emotive - the change from minor to major

ok thanks, i updated the 2nd sample, I had the wrong one.

any theories or links on why minor--->major is so emotive?

Well if you listen to a minor chord on its own, it sounds "dark" or "sad". Contrasting that, listen to a major chord, it sounds "light" or "happy".

So progressing from a minor to a major chord is usually going to be emotive (I was sad, but now I'm happy ... how'd that happen )

ya thanks, but i'm looking for reasons why minor and major chords produce these emotions in us. been looking online, but no definitive answers as of yet.

just because of the fact that they switch the moods! that's all

pho mo already told you that Major chords are bright and happy while the minor ones are more of dark and sad feel...the contrast and the progression from Dark to light (or otherwise) is what causes this emotive feeling to you...

for other people listening to trance is it just regular cheese...at least those you posted

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Originally posted by BOOsTER just because of the fact that they switch the moods! that's all pho mo already told you that Major chords are bright and happy while the minor ones are more of dark and sad feel...the contrast and the progression from Dark to light (or otherwise) is what causes this emotive feeling to you... for other people listening to trance is it just regular cheese...at least those you posted

no you seem to miss my question. WHY is it that we experience these emotions?

not sure if this will answer your question but...
the fact that a major chord sounds "happy" is because of the intervals, for instance a major triad is built on the 1st 3rd and 5th notes within any major scale, now the only difference between a major or minor triad is that the 3rd note is dropped a semitone (making the note flat), making it more "cramped" aka "not as happy". Its the same difference why the perfect octave sounds so "right" and a augmented 4th (for example) sounds "wrong" Does that answer your question? if not then check out psychoacoustics (it has to do with how we perceive sounds)

I don't believe there are any concrete reasons as to why we relate certain notes/chords/progressions toward any particular emotion. There are a lot of theories though. Similar vein of thought is why the leading tone (7th note of the 8-note scale) MUST always go back to the tonic for that feeling of resolution. *shrug.

All I remember from classes though is that the major triad (or even just the tonic and major third) is present in all cultures all over the world, and is one of the most common sounding chords (ever wonder why doorbells sound the way they do?). Studies have shown that the major triad is present in tribal chants, baby talk, etc...

I suppose it's just another phenomenon similar to the Golden Number, never proven to have a concrete reason, but present all over the natural world.

Another thing you could look up other then psychoacoustics is synesthesia...which is basically the study of why some people literally see certain colors associated with certain notes.

The resolution of the minor third into the maj third of the C chord is what gives that emotional response. It`s tension and release liek when you move from a Seventh to a Major chord.
Another fact for that emotional response is that these chord changes are deeply ingrained in our collective musical conscience Almost all western musical cultures use the tension and release relation among chord tones to evoke a sense of familiarity since we have been exposed tio these chordal changes since we weer born.
Besides. They sound really cool.
Another chord change that has a strong emotional charge is the move from a seventh to a diminished chord located two tones apart. Dark and evil or moving a major chord in two tone intervals to create an effective tonality change.
The Germinator

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Originally posted by Germ Another chord change that has a strong emotional charge is the move from a seventh to a diminished chord located two tones apart. Dark and evil or moving a major chord in two tone intervals to create an effective tonality change. The Germinator

defintely. the whole evil thing was adopted from the church back in the middle ages since basically they controlled music from the time, since music was written for sacred purposes...damn that music history class finally came in handy lol

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Originally posted by Deluca defintely. the whole evil thing was adopted from the church back in the middle ages since basically they controlled music from the time, since music was written for sacred purposes...damn that music history class finally came in handy lol

I think the Catholic Church or something had outlawed the augmented 4th from all sacred music...they called it the "devil's chord."

at least that's what my professor told me....

thx m8s! will def check out psychoacoustics.

you should check this site:
http://www.vengeance-sound.de/

You can download mp3 samples with ONLY different melodies. REALLY good inspiration, because this guy really can produce good shit ---> Manuel Schleis!!! OMG!!!

I love ace da brain too btw

He has a kind of film-music-trance style. He is also working on music for a film now, just for the record

yea i want some of his sample cds

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Originally posted by b i n k u n I think the Catholic Church or something had outlawed the augmented 4th from all sacred music...they called it the "devil's chord." at least that's what my professor told me....

yep thats what he told me too

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Originally posted by kadomony ok thanks, i updated the 2nd sample, I had the wrong one. any theories or links on why minor--->major is so emotive?

there are lots of theories. About 400 years of theory.

The reason you find this chord progression good has nothing to do with the quality of the chords ( major and minor ) and everything to do with tonal syntax. The usually progression would of be I III V resolving to I providing a complete musical closure.

But in this case , the V is a minor chord which softens the tension sort of killing the release of tension when it goes back to I. IT works in a style like trance i suppose because well , like most people say , alot of trance never goes anywhere. Which is the case with this musical phrase. It doesn't go anywhere. Not saying that it is bad. But as for the ultimate chord progression for all you tweakers , well i think you should maybe try to find some others.

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