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Help me improve my mixing

I know you probably get this all the time but I have 5 mins to get to school. Heres whats happening, I can beat match and crossfade properly but I have no idea what I should learn next... any suggestions??

Check the sticky thread about advanced mixing techniques. It may not be what you're looking for, but it's a start.

EQing

crossfading??

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Originally posted by s3nate I know you probably get this all the time but I have 5 mins to get to school. Heres whats happening, I can beat match and crossfade properly but I have no idea what I should learn next... any suggestions??

Learn to manually pitchbend by riding the pitch.
Act like there is no platter and just use pitch control for a week.
Once you master that your mixing will be much better

at the very very least you should be using the channel faders to mix.
drop the crossfading because it gives u limited control. if you are not used to using the EQs start off just using the bass / low along with the channel faders.

EQing actually sucks if you have a crap mixer and .10% decks.

Just use xfading if you have crap more than .05%

learn to pick good tracks to play.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 learn to pick good tracks to play.

Most DJs never learn that part.

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Originally posted by Xtracktor crossfading??

Like leveling the sound off so when your mixing it doesnt go distorted (sorry I dont have much dj vocab yet!!)

Im sorry I dont get what pitch bending is either..

I usually pick tracks that kinda fit there own categories (Sam Sharp and RVDB is one category and something like Jonas Steur/Lemma & Moor is a little bit different)

Right now I just dont know what to do next... maybe phrase matching? How do you phrase match....?

thats not crossfading...

crossfading is using the crossfader to mix. goin from track 1 to track 2 by moving the slider left to right...

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Originally posted by Basstard thats not crossfading... crossfading is using the crossfader to mix. goin from track 1 to track 2 by moving the slider left to right...

Yea thats what I ment...and how that doesn't apply to what was in the first post, but I think you meant to say EQ'ing especially with the *gain* Now, whats next...I'd begin work in EQing or phasing (thats where I am as we speak).This is what I've done so far in phasing...cue up your track that your going to bring in to a certain spot, usually 1st beat or 32st beat. Then, on the playing track, you will hear a crash toward the end (usually, could be other sounds too) then release the cued track...should phase somewhat(assuming you are beatmatching) (this is just a small theory, I know there is much more to it, and even a guide on this forum )

watch some other dj's (not to say you are a gonna copy, but to get an idea what is goin on and to learn some new things.) , eventually, you will develop your own style. Have fun.. Dont forget to shop regularly so you dont get bored of your records!

Jay

i will say this once only, and then it's up to you!

practice,practice,practice and read and learn.

then you become better, with a little talent and determination.

depends how far you want to go with djing, like i only started it because i really loved it. it was a transgression from reading about the art for many years and apprieciating it and love for music. i would really like to take my djing further, but atm it's a hobby which i spend countless hours doing each day whilst at school.

when eqing you really need to listen to the mix and know the structure of some songs to an extent to make your mixing more beneficial.

whether you are making money from djing or just playing at home you may as well master the art of your own djing skills to your extent.

also things that helped was engulfing myself in it, which was the worst thing for me to do, as i was really good at school but then when i found love for music and djing. my work ethic at school dropped.

so for you dj's at secondary school, please do not let djing take over your education! cause you are only limiting yourself as i have learned to an extent and feel i could have finished my schooling off much better. i'm doing my exams now, and i have maths methods 2 morrow.

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Originally posted by mzvirbulis i will say this once only, and then it's up to you! practice,practice,practice and read and learn. then you become better, with a little talent and determination. depends how far you want to go with djing, like i only started it because i really loved it. it was a transgression from reading about the art for many years and apprieciating it and love for music. i would really like to take my djing further, but atm it's a hobby which i spend countless hours doing each day whilst at school. when eqing you really need to listen to the mix and know the structure of some songs to an extent to make your mixing more beneficial. whether you are making money from djing or just playing at home you may as well master the art of your own djing skills to your extent. also things that helped was engulfing myself in it, which was the worst thing for me to do, as i was really good at school but then when i found love for music and djing. my work ethic at school dropped. so for you dj's at secondary school, please do not let djing take over your education! cause you are only limiting yourself as i have learned to an extent and feel i could have finished my schooling off much better. i'm doing my exams now, and i have maths methods 2 morrow.

crazy man i live just 15 k's out of daylesford, so not far from ballarat.y r 11 my exams arent for a few more weeks and i can understand what your saying but studying for exams....lol

at the moment though my decks are out of commision so id better do something else.

I think if you cant work out some other shit to do, djing might not be the thing for u.

At first I thought this post was not going to be original

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Originally posted by mzvirbulis like i only started it because i really loved it. it was a transgression from reading about the art for many years and apprieciating it and love for music. i would really like to take my djing further, but atm it's a hobby which i spend countless hours doing each day whilst at school.

I started djing because I love music and my fans can see that.
All this years I never lost my enthusiasm!

But then some good advise ....

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whether you are making money from djing or just playing at home you may as well master the art of your own djing skills to your extent.

And then the best part which made this post interesting

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also things that helped was engulfing myself in it, which was the worst thing for me to do, as i was really good at school but then when i found love for music and djing. my work ethic at school dropped.

And the final words of wisdom

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so for you dj's at secondary school, please do not let djing take over your education! cause you are only limiting yourself as i have learned to an extent and feel i could have finished my schooling off much better. i'm doing my exams now, and i have maths methods 2 morrow.

So overall this post has a structure and is very informative.

i would suggest taking a music class. almost everything i learned about music, how read it, write it, play instruments has translated into my mixing. i firmly belive that if i started mixing, w/out the background in music. my shizznit would be straight wack, yo.

plus, your understanding of music, and how to bend to your hearts content will be much deeper, and profound, than just listening to us tell you count, 4/8/16 or 32 bars... yadda, yadda, yaddaaaa...

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Originally posted by veezee watch some other dj's (not to say you are a gonna copy, but to get an idea what is goin on and to learn some new things.) , eventually, you will develop your own style. Have fun.. Dont forget to shop regularly so you dont get bored of your records! Jay

I have Final Scratch.... no need for any more vinyls!!!

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention im only in grade 9.

Thanks for all the advice Ill be sure to try some of these methods out.

First up, ditch the crossfader in my opinion. Work with the channel sliders.

2nd, learn to use your gain controls so that you don't bring tracks in too loud or quite.

Learn to phrase match as this will improve your DJing no end.

Learn to ride the pitch (optional but a good skill to have).

Learn to EQ your tracks as this needs to be done really well if you are going to be playing out.

Most importantly!
Learn your tunes as you have to know them well enough to know how long their intros/outros are, when a good time to drop a mix is and get a feel for how long each track is.

Once you have the above down quite well, let's say after a year or two then think about mixing in key (Harmonic mixing).

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 ... Once you have the above down quite well, let's say after a year or two then think about mixing in key (Harmonic mixing). Cheers Nem

was waiting and waiting for that

Actually surprised no one said it earlier he he but hey, if that's what people expect then who am I to disapoint.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by s3nate I know you probably get this all the time but I have 5 mins to get to school. Heres whats happening, I can beat match and crossfade properly but I have no idea what I should learn next... any suggestions??

that isnt the dj s3nate I used to know is it?!?!?

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Originally posted by Simcut that isnt the dj s3nate I used to know is it?!?!?

I doubt it... im 15 years old and live in Vancouver B.C Canada.

Is riding the pitch meaning making the songs go at 4% and beatmatch from there?

And can someone with a lot of detial please explain what the hell phrase matching is!!!

Raur!

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And can someone with a lot of detial please explain what the hell phrase matching is!!!

im quite sure it is having the songA in sync with the structure that of songB.
this so that one doesnt end or start a different phrase while the other is in a different position of the songs structure in timing.

if this happens sometimes you may clash with other stuff, and sounds awful and isn't musically correct!

for example:

songA : OUTRO say goes for 64 beats
songB : intro goes for 64 beats

therefore you let go of record B when songA outro phrase begins (of 64 beats)
this means they are in sync in proper timing. you will know further down the track by what i mean, like phrase means something begins and something stops. therefore nothing is over lapping making clashing of both songs.

this is why you count they beats so you are in the right phrase. so please if you can avoid it dont just let go of songB on any beat. cause otherwise most times it will sound very bad if playing alot of trance etc, sometimes you may get away with simple songs that have long outro's and you can mix it in before it ends.

worst thing is dropping a song late off phrase because it aint smooth and the other song comes in TOO! sunddenly.

cheers mattz

nem might be able to keep it short and sweet, but im only learning all the time.
from what NEMISIS said im up to harmonic mixing which sometimes i cant be bothered atm cause i only mixin at home most of the time.

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