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Posted by djlithium on Nov-07-2005 02:50:

Black Tiger Recordings now taking submissions for 12" releases of Trance Tracks

Black Tiger Recordings is now accepting demos of finished (but unmastered if possible) tracks from producers known and unknown world wide for release on 12" vinyl.

Interested producers should send links to files (but not files as attachments) to [email protected][/email]

We are serious about our releases so please do the gut check before you send in your work. Our releases are on vinyl. We have NO interest in something that does not meet the requirements for a vinyl release in our choice of genres, hard trance, epic trance, melodic trance, tech-trance.

This includes but is not limted to the following...

Tracks over 9 minutes or under 6:30
Tracks slower than 138BPM will be rejected.
Tracks produced using hardware or software that limit your ability to provide us with multi-track masters of your tune. We absolutely require this!
The ability to provide us with something that hasn't been given away all over the internet and back at bitrates "suitable" for use by digital DJs. If you have done this in anyway you pretty much just shot yourself in the foot.
Don't do that! IT DOES NOT GET YOU ANYWHERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT SOME 15 year old with digital djing tools might telly you or some washed up superstar DJ who is too lazy to carry a record bag. DON'T FALL INTO THIS TRAP. It's a SCAM.

Please DO send your tunes if you can meet our requirements and you feel you have something that you know you would be comfortable with having on a vinyl record and played by a DJ, big or small.

You don't have to be a big name to get a record released if your tunes are good. We are listening. And there are more of us than you may know.

For more information on Black Tiger Recordings please visit www.blacktigerrecordings.com

This is an open ended demo submission request by Canada's leading trance record company with reps, DJs and producers world wide. We maybe small, but we actually care a whole heck of a lot.

Remember, links only please.
[email][email protected]


Posted by Luke Terry on Nov-08-2005 12:13:

Re: Black Tiger Recordings now taking submissions for 12" releases of Trance Tracks

quote:
Originally posted by djlithium
Tracks slower than 138BPM will be rejected.




well, that's a bit silly isn't it


Posted by Aquarian on Nov-08-2005 13:34:

his loss


Posted by DigiNut on Nov-08-2005 14:35:

Re: Black Tiger Recordings now taking submissions for 12" releases of Trance Tracks

quote:
Originally posted by djlithium
The ability to provide us with something that hasn't been given away all over the internet and back at bitrates "suitable" for use by digital DJs. If you have done this in anyway you pretty much just shot yourself in the foot.
Don't do that! IT DOES NOT GET YOU ANYWHERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT SOME 15 year old with digital djing tools might telly you or some washed up superstar DJ who is too lazy to carry a record bag. DON'T FALL INTO THIS TRAP. It's a SCAM.

Haha.

I respect producers who prefer to protect their property by posting only samples, low-bitrate versions, etc., but come on, what kind of attitude is that? Some people also like to share and just get their tracks played.

Sheesh, you'd think a 12" release is some sort of medal of honour, even if nobody buys it...


Posted by djlithium on Nov-08-2005 18:06:

Please ignore these clowns.

Oh and yeah, the 138bmp thing is a general guide line. I got a track submitted yesterday that clocks in around 137 but it "feels" right for playability at +2% - %4 bringing it up above 140bmp and that is where the fun really starts.


And yes, having a 12" release is much more valuable to a producers carreer than a fucking "download". Medal of honor? no. Passing the acid test in terms of producing a track that is viable for release - absolutely.

If its not on 12" vinyl, its not worth playing. NOTHING GIVEN HAS ANYTHING OF VALUE.

The producers who make the cut for the 12" release we do will be able to stand out from the digital noise surrounding us now, and recognition for that is NOT A BAD THING.

Keep the tracks coming people.

We got some really good stuff yesterday (quite impressed actually with the amount of good releasable tracks to crap ratio for a 24 hour period), and some of those tracks from producers are being considered for 12" release for BTR-006 and BTR-007. See, it does work!

We are listening.


Posted by sooper on Nov-08-2005 18:22:

quote:
Originally posted by djlithium

We are listening.


I am laughing.

...at you.

Black Tiger: We guarantee fast beats or your money back!! (Medal of Honor not included)


Posted by Pjotr G on Nov-08-2005 18:23:

quote:
Originally posted by djlithium
Please ignore these clowns.

....

If its not on 12" vinyl, its not worth playing. NOTHING GIVEN HAS ANYTHING OF VALUE.



haha you're funny


Posted by djlithium on Nov-08-2005 19:37:

typical TA crud. ^


Posted by sooper on Nov-08-2005 19:40:

quote:
Originally posted by djlithium
typical TA crud. ^


Can I submit some kleenex to your label?

...so you can wipe your tears?


Posted by groundzero74 on Nov-08-2005 19:42:

Actually pressing your own vinyl isn't that expensive at all, i've looked into it once (check out http://www.discopress.be ),so it's not that special.

But i must be honest that when choosing between being released (on the record label's expense) on Vinyl or MP3 i think anyone would prefer Vinyl. Even if nobody buys it - getting an entry on www.discogs.com would seem cool.

[EDIT]
Maybe i'll get flamed for this. So it's just my opinion, i'm not trying to generalize.


Posted by Pudelko on Nov-08-2005 19:51:

Whats the difference what kind of media the song is played on??
Am i missing something here? i mean sure its different for the dj, but to the people in the club does it really matter? people you all need to chill and forget the differences between vinyl/cd for good. If the track is club worthy, it will be, it doesnt matter if the artist releases it on vinyl or not. But on the other hand, yeah, if it does become "the next big thing" then vinyl release is inevitable id say.


Posted by djlithium on Nov-08-2005 20:48:

There are fundemental differences between vinyl and any digital playback format for DJ use that when considering the big picture are absolutely critical to the future of dance music as a whole.

Vinyl being the one that provides for that future in a way that many here simply can't understand because they have either short memories are are simply ignorant of the facts.

There is the entire realm of how vinyl sounds when correctly mastered and played back on a sound system such as those one would experience in a decent club or at a large event and how that relates to the musical material intended for presentation over such systems.

Then there is the peformance aspect.

Then there is the cultural impact of all of these factors.

When you look at the big picture, the patterns of history over the past 25 years of dance music and where we are at now, anyone with an objective mind can come to the same conclusion we have at Black Tiger Recordings and the DEJI Council. Vinyl is the ONLY way forward for DJ mixed use and performance.

Live pa's? go to town with whatever makes noise if you will. That's a completely different subject and I am not going to get into it here.


Posted by richg101 on Nov-08-2005 20:58:

quote:
Originally posted by djlithium

If its not on 12" vinyl, its not worth playing.


well...

1. you just hurt a whole lot of peoples feelings with that comment.

2. when these people get to a point where they re good enough to be signed to a proper label like armada/vandit/lostlanguage/magik... they ll remember your attitude and ignore your offers of a record deal.

anyways.. if your label was worth anything surely you would be receiving enough decent demos to not have to put ads in a forum designed for producers to promote their work. if people want a deal that will end in a vinyl release they will send it out to a decent labels like armada etc. just cos your stupid enough to carry on pressing vinyl(that you wont make any money off), it doesnt give your label any more integrity than other small unknown labels who just distribute digital.


Posted by DigiNut on Nov-08-2005 23:33:

quote:
Originally posted by djlithium
There are fundemental differences between vinyl and any digital playback format for DJ use that when considering the big picture are absolutely critical to the future of dance music as a whole.

Vinyl being the one that provides for that future in a way that many here simply can't understand because they have either short memories are are simply ignorant of the facts.

There is the entire realm of how vinyl sounds when correctly mastered and played back on a sound system such as those one would experience in a decent club or at a large event and how that relates to the musical material intended for presentation over such systems.

Then there is the peformance aspect.

Then there is the cultural impact of all of these factors.

When you look at the big picture, the patterns of history over the past 25 years of dance music and where we are at now, anyone with an objective mind can come to the same conclusion we have at Black Tiger Recordings and the DEJI Council. Vinyl is the ONLY way forward for DJ mixed use and performance.

Live pa's? go to town with whatever makes noise if you will. That's a completely different subject and I am not going to get into it here.

Bahahahaha, please, no more, you're killin' me!!!



Posted by Aquarian on Nov-08-2005 23:39:

No, please go on, I'm enjoying this.


Posted by richg101 on Nov-08-2005 23:45:

maybe point this guy in the direction of 'lord of bass' ?


Posted by Aquarian on Nov-08-2005 23:53:

quote:
Originally posted by richg101
maybe point this guy in the direction of 'lord of bass' ?


Actually he's already signed. He's on audiojelly even!


Posted by DigiNut on Nov-09-2005 00:01:

Is there a limit to how fast the tracks can be? I've got some 176 BPM beauties that I think would be perfect for your label. Sometimes I like to make them so fast that the kick drum starts resonating and generating overtones, and then keep it like that for 3� minutes. That's really cool.


Posted by FuzzyGreen on Nov-09-2005 00:10:

djlithium, I really hate to say anything negative to any label, especially since I am an aspiring producer (but then again, I rarely make a track faster then 135 bpm so why should I care what you think?)

You come off rather arrogant.

Have you ever considered that Paul Van Dyk, the #1 voted DJ uses all digital media in ALL his dj sets?

You must realize that a lot of the producers here (including myself) have been around for a long time, have had multiple offers and even releases on *smaller* labels, we aren't impressed with A&R people that try to talk down to us, especially from labels we've never heard of or likely to ever hear of due to their limit scope of 140+ bpm cheesy trance styles.


Posted by soundscape_uk on Nov-09-2005 00:23:

quote:
Originally posted by djlithium
There are fundemental differences between vinyl and any digital playback format for DJ use that when considering the big picture are absolutely critical to the future of dance music as a whole.

Vinyl being the one that provides for that future in a way that many here simply can't understand because they have either short memories are are simply ignorant of the facts.

There is the entire realm of how vinyl sounds when correctly mastered and played back on a sound system such as those one would experience in a decent club or at a large event and how that relates to the musical material intended for presentation over such systems.

Then there is the peformance aspect.

Then there is the cultural impact of all of these factors.

When you look at the big picture, the patterns of history over the past 25 years of dance music and where we are at now, anyone with an objective mind can come to the same conclusion we have at Black Tiger Recordings and the DEJI Council. Vinyl is the ONLY way forward for DJ mixed use and performance.

Live pa's? go to town with whatever makes noise if you will. That's a completely different subject and I am not going to get into it here.


i like you

you have balls

i like balls


Posted by Axolotyl on Nov-09-2005 00:41:

quote:
Originally posted by djlithium

Then there is the peformance aspect.

Then there is the cultural impact of all of these factors.



Please elaborate


Posted by djlithium on Nov-09-2005 00:49:

quote:
Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
djlithium, I really hate to say anything negative to any label, especially since I am an aspiring producer (but then again, I rarely make a track faster then 135 bpm so why should I care what you think?)

You come off rather arrogant.

Have you ever considered that Paul Van Dyk, the #1 voted DJ uses all digital media in ALL his dj sets?

You must realize that a lot of the producers here (including myself) have been around for a long time, have had multiple offers and even releases on *smaller* labels, we aren't impressed with A&R people that try to talk down to us, especially from labels we've never heard of or likely to ever hear of due to their limit scope of 140+ bpm cheesy trance styles.


Thank you for your comment. Yes I do come off rather arrogant in a day and age where one can't say "daft" without fear of a liable suit. So screw you if you think that. I don't care. All I care about here is working with new producers who deserve the chance to be heard and an opportunity to get a record pressed because their tracks do the talking not marketing dollars shoved around in magazines "topthisandthatpolls" which are little more than popularity contests and have absolutely fuck all to do with reality. PVD can suck it okay?!

No really. I don't like the guy. But here is something. If he is so hell bent on being all digital then why does vandit still put out records???

BECAUSE THEY SELL!
I have a few tunes licensed off Vandit to other labels and pressed on vinyl in my crate. But that doesn't mean I have to fucking kiss PVD's digital ass. I don't think he deserves any "#1" status at all. Frankly that's part of the fucking problem with where things are at right now. Number 1 DJ?? What kind of lubestroke is that all about??
Dumb asses. Get a fucking grip. You fall for that shit?? holy "brand" whore batman! give your head a shake!!!

You are all whining about this shit because you are slackers and don't want to pay for music but will smile and say "rocking track man" to some guy with some tracks who really needs some objective commentary about his works and not some pat on the back from suckheads who can barely keep two tunes together in a mix and out of the ditches mixed off a glorified calculator armed with a CD burner.
You are the types that will take some guys toon only if its free and lie through your teeth about how you are going to play it and pump him up and help to break that artist through, but in reality the only real meal deal evaluation that still works in providing an artist with an indication that their stuff is good, and has value - is if you slap down cold hard cash and walk away with the hard copy on wax and play it in your sets, your gigs and have it in your crate, and then come back to them and say "dude, that rocked, I want more, when is it going to happen?"

That's how the business for dance music fucking works you ****s.

PVD is god because he is number one and he plays digital so that means that the future?? give it fucking rest. Digital fuckwit.
The more you go down that path the lessser chance there is going to be for more "number one djs of the year" because dance music will have sold itself out so badly, its disco 2.0 all over again.

Short sighted fucking idiots.


Posted by FuzzyGreen on Nov-09-2005 01:01:

quote:
Originally posted by djlithium
PVD can suck it okay?!


I really doubt you would feel that way if PVD wanted to release a CD on your label, unless you really dislike sales.

quote:

You are all whining about this shit because you are slackers and don't want to pay for music but will smile and say "rocking track man" to some guy with some tracks who really needs some objective commentary about his works and not some pat on the back from suckheads who can barely keep two tunes together in a mix and out of the ditches mixed off a glorified calculator armed with a CD burner.


You really should study up on the people you are talking to here. I for one only dj vinyl, and only because I prefer it to digital media in terms of ease of mixing. I'm not so stupid as to put down any other dj's because they prefer digial. And to call me someone that doesn't want to pay for a track is downright wrong and judgemental on your part. You don't know me nor the people of this forum and you are coming off as an arrogant prick that thinks he's hot cause he works for a label. dude, face it you are an ecstacy over used burn out that is too grumpy.


Posted by richg101 on Nov-09-2005 01:13:

your too grumpy for your own good. you need to chill and enjoy some more laid back trance. all those extra bpm's must be goin to your head!

seriously tho, search: 'lord of bass'

he's probably just the man your after...


Posted by djlithium on Nov-09-2005 01:26:

quote:
Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
I really doubt you would feel that way if PVD wanted to release a CD on your label, unless you really dislike sales.



You really should study up on the people you are talking to here. I for one only dj vinyl, and only because I prefer it to digital media in terms of ease of mixing. I'm not so stupid as to put down any other dj's because they prefer digial. And to call me someone that doesn't want to pay for a track is downright wrong and judgemental on your part. You don't know me nor the people of this forum and you are coming off as an arrogant prick that thinks he's hot cause he works for a label. dude, face it you are an ecstacy over used burn out that is too grumpy.


I have no desire to work with PVD whatsoever.
It's good that you only play vinyl though. The reference wasn't specifically targeted at you however. I didn't make that clear in my last post and probably should have not quoted your entire comments. But I stand by my statements regardless.
And to state that I am "an ecstacy over used burn out" is blatantly out of order. Please see my posts (sorry, I don't care to search for the link but its recent stuff) regarding the destruction of Vancouver's dance scene and the roll E has in it along with other shite, chemically induced and otherwise.

As someone who says they play vinyl you should more then most here in this thread understand the point.


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