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straight tone arm, good or bad?

hello y'all!
happy new yeae everybody!
i would like to ask if the straight tone arm system wears out the records faster than s shaped tone arms?
what are the advantages of the straight tone arm over the s shaped?
thank you,
shay

I actually thought that using S-shaped arms was an advantage...
Even Technics SL-1200 has an S-shaped arm I think.

straight arms are mainly for scratching which do wear out the needles quicker..
but if you arent into scratching, a bent arm is better which dont wear out the needles as quick

hi all..

happy new year
i was going to ask this question 2..
cause i saw the vestax new technic.. and it gave some pointers why the stright tone arm are better then S-shape.. could someone tell me why s-shape is better except the fact that it dosen't wear out the needle as quickly as the stright tone arm does?...

OK, I'm going to try and clear this up once and for all. I will refer you to an expert called Andre Huisman. Read these newsgroup posts:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=a...news1.xs4all.nl

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=a...news.one.net.au

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=a...40supernews.com

The last one in particular is very good because it explains all the physical reasons behind it all. After reading these you should know enough to make up your mind.

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Originally posted by DJ-Energy hi all.. happy new year i was going to ask this question 2.. cause i saw the vestax new technic.. and it gave some pointers why the stright tone arm are better then S-shape.. could someone tell me why s-shape is better except the fact that it dosen't wear out the needle as quickly as the stright tone arm does?...

Ive read somewhere that the sound quality is supperior on an S tone arm.

Most djs that use the straight tone arms are into turntablism where Keeping the needle from skipping is what they want and sound quality isnt number one

considering what you had said, what tt sounds better,
technics (any kind) or vestax pdx2000?

Technbics 1200's sound better cos they have a bent arm instead of the PDX-200's straight arm

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Originally posted by DJ Darchinova Technbics 1200's sound better cos they have a bent arm instead of the PDX-200's straight arm

Ok, I really don't like putting people down in the forums, BUT! I am reading this thread and that is just total BULLSHIT! I mean common guys if you are going to make an opinion on something please let it be accurate. The turntable has nothing to do with sound quality...ABSOULUTLY nothing....it spins your records and carries the signal.....The cartridge and needle are the things that affect sound quality.....so if you had the same Cartridge and needle on a Technics and on a PDX 2000 they will sound exactly they same. I have noticed alot of new people in the forums...please...keep the BULLSHIT to yourself eh...we don't need this forum turning into a bunch of lamers.

haha, i was reading through this and i was about to write wat ckerr just put, i mean, they dont sell different kind of tone arms for the tables, (like they dont sell straight arms for technics), but they happen to have a big selection of cartridges and needles, which have different quality of sound output. i read somewhere that the straight arm on the vestax is virtually skip free, i think that is why they made it straight, or perhaps just a marketing thing, like we have a straight arm, it is better than the s-shape arm, because of blah blah blah
yea late

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Originally posted by Ckerr812 Ok, I really don't like putting people down in the forums, BUT! I am reading this thread and that is just total BULLSHIT! I mean common guys if you are going to make an opinion on something please let it be accurate. The turntable has nothing to do with sound quality...ABSOULUTLY nothing....it spins your records and carries the signal.....The cartridge and needle are the things that affect sound quality.....so if you had the same Cartridge and needle on a Technics and on a PDX 2000 they will sound exactly they same. I have noticed alot of new people in the forums...please...keep the BULLSHIT to yourself eh...we don't need this forum turning into a bunch of lamers.

Hehe, I don't like to disagree with someone's rant, but I'm afraid you're wrong! With straight tonearms, especially Vestax's ASTS (because it's so short) you get phase difference between the channels. What I mean by that is, the needle is at 90 degrees to the groove at only one point during the play of the record, and that's at halfway between the outside and the middle, i.e. 50% play. At all other points on the record, the needle will be at an angle to the grrove, meaning that the needle will reach the side of the groove on one channel (e.g. the let channel) before it reaches the other. This means that the channels are slightly out of sync or phase, sounding bad!

You do of course get this problem with S-shaped tonearms as well, but the effect of it is greatly amplified with a straight tonearm. The only tonearms that don't have this problem are linear tracking tonearms of audiophile tables, where the whole base of the tonearm moves along on a track so that the needle is always at 90 degrees to the record.

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Originally posted by DJTJ Hehe, I don't like to disagree with someone's rant, but I'm afraid you're wrong! With straight tonearms, especially Vestax's ASTS (because it's so short) you get phase difference between the channels. What I mean by that is, the needle is at 90 degrees to the groove at only one point during the play of the record, and that's at halfway between the outside and the middle, i.e. 50% play. At all other points on the record, the needle will be at an angle to the grrove, meaning that the needle will reach the side of the groove on one channel (e.g. the let channel) before it reaches the other. This means that the channels are slightly out of sync or phase, sounding bad! You do of course get this problem with S-shaped tonearms as well, but the effect of it is greatly amplified with a straight tonearm. The only tonearms that don't have this problem are linear tracking tonearms of audiophile tables, where the whole base of the tonearm moves along on a track so that the needle is always at 90 degrees to the record.

I didnt want to write so much.. but i would have said above

And kerr812.. u are a SPED if u dont know that there WILL be a difference if the TT has a straight or bent arm
Or did you think that they made different arms just for fun??
Yes the cartridge and needle are a large part of the sound quality, but how they hit the vinyl is also a factor

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Originally posted by DJ Darchinova I didnt want to write so much.. but i would have said above And kerr812.. u are a SPED if u dont know that there WILL be a difference if the TT has a straight or bent arm Or did you think that they made different arms just for fun?? Yes the cartridge and needle are a large part of the sound quality, but how they hit the vinyl is also a factor

Gimme a break....What you are quoting there is total propaganda bullshit from the electronics company. It's just bullshit talk so people will by there tables over the competition. I have played with both Straight arm and S arms in a variety of enviroments from arena to clubs....and there is not one bit of difference. You can read all the stuff you want on the internet or all the books you want, but nothing will beat pratical experiance.

Having played both, I can tell you there is no noticable difference. Not at all. and the crap about how it hits the records at a different angle...please.....You can just adjust your needle to compensate on a certain angle with any half decent cart and needle. So that point is totally moot because of the fact you can do that. Everyone sets up there tables different, it's not just a matter of plug in a cart and playing all the time. it's not rocket science here. Anyway, so your telling me, that the S arm has better quality sound.....yea..I am sure those straight arm tables that are used by big name DJ's playing to huge crowds and HUGE systems, people are all saying...dam.....I wish that DJ was using a S arm table...the sound quality is bad.....I don't think so, you know why....cause you can't tell the difference.......I am sure Mix master mike at beastie Boys concerts uses Straight arms cause they don't sound as good right? please....there is no differnce in sound quality.

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originally posted by Ckerr812 yea..I am sure those straight arm tables that are used by big name DJ's playing to huge crowds and HUGE systems, people are all saying...dam.....I wish that DJ was using a S arm table...the sound quality is bad.....

LOL

i think what ckerr is getting at is that the difference is so little, who really gives a shit, maybe a dog gives a shit because their hearing senses are better than ours, but most humans cannot tell the difference. as for those linear tonearms for audiophiles, that is just a way for those companies to rip people off, i mean are you going to sit there and admire the great sound coming out of it, when you cant even tell the fucking difference. if you want better sound quality, go buy a cd player, they cost much less than those audiophiles(i think i saw those audiophiles in a magazine and it was like 2000 english pounds or something) are expensive.

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