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American Myths - National Post Series
American Myths, a five-part series aimed at addressing Canadian misapprehensions about our southern neighbour, is a joint project of the National Post, the Dominion Institute and the Canadian Defence and Foreign Affairs Institute.
Part 1
Sometimes, making peace means making war
J.L. Granatstein - National Post
Saturday, November 12, 2005
http://www.canada.com/national/nati...be-8cfc541312c7
Part 2
America the just
David Frum - National Post
Monday, November 14, 2005
http://www.canada.com/national/nati...6f-7d646ac18d5f
PART ONE: Sometimes, making peace means making war
In the first instalment, historian J.L. Granatstein writes on the myth of Canada as a nation of peacekeepers and the U.S. as a nation of warmongers.
http://www.canada.com/national/nati...be-8cfc541312c7
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Sometimes, making peace means making war J.L. Granatstein - National Post Saturday, November 12, 2005 'Canadians keep the peace; Americans fight wars." That cliched statement, that Canadian myth, is now accepted as gospel truth from St John's to Vancouver. Canadians proudly cite Lester B. Pearson's Nobel Peace Prize, won for his role in stabilizing the Suez Crisis of 1956. They point to the grand peacekeeping monument in Ottawa and to the back of their $10 bill showing Canadian peacekeepers. We are the good guys in white hats or, at least, blue berets. Canadians, we like to think, are natural-born peacekeepers. And the Yanks? The Americans are the superpower that fought in Vietnam and sprayed its jungles with Agent Orange. They waged war against the Nicaraguan and Cuban peoples, invaded Iraq twice, and continue to station troops all over the world to serve U.S. interests and ensure control over oil supplies. If we're the good guys, the Americans are the world's bullies. Too many Canadians accept this view of their neighbours. Yes, the Americans are a troublesome people. They are suffused with a grandiose sense of their "manifest destiny." They want to make the world's peoples more like them, with a McDonald's in every town and Coke in every grocery store. They bluster and boast, and wave the flag. But let's look at the last 100 years. Would the Allies have won the Great War if Woodrow Wilson's America, promising a war to end all wars and pressing idealistically for the creation of a League of Nations, had not entered the conflict in 1917? Would Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Hideki Tojo have been defeated if America had not sent its soldiers and sailors and the products of its factories and fields to war? Would Western Europe have been protected from Soviet agression if the United States hadn't galvanized the creation of the North Atlantic Treaty? Yes, Canadians have done their part in the great conflicts, too. There are more than 100,000 dead soldiers, sailors and airmen to testify to our commitment to freedom and democracy. But Canada is a small, relatively weak country and the United States is a superpower. However much Canada contributed, none of it would have mattered without the support of allies. And the most powerful ally, the indispensable ally, was and remains the United States. Yet Canadians sneer at their neighbours. They were late into the First World War and then claimed they had won it, we say. They were late again in the Second World War and once again believed they had saved Britain's bacon. In the Korean War that began in 1950, Mike Pearson -- then Canada's foreign minister -- pressed so hard at the United Nations for a truce that the Americans came to resent his preaching bitterly. Those moralistic Canadians were at it again while the United States paid most of the price. But unhappy as they may have been over the Canadian position on a Korean armistice, the Americans did listen to Canada at the UN and in Washington. Ottawa had earned the right to be heard by sending a brigade group of 5,000 soldiers to fight in Korea, by dispatching destroyers to serve off the coast of that Asian peninsula, and by using the air force's transports to ferry men and supplies to the Far East. Canada paid its dues in the war and, because it did, Washington, grumpily heard the nation's voice. A few years later, the United States even listened to Canada's demands that the air defence of North America, the defence of America's own soil, be shared. The North American Air Defence Command, created in 1957-58, was a joint operation with Canadian officers sitting side by side with their U.S. counterparts. But when the Cuban missile crisis exploded in 1962 and North America was threatened by a Soviet nuclear attack, the Canadian public belatedly realized their surface-to-air missiles were unarmed, their aircraft ill-equipped, and their government reluctant even to put its military on full alert. The Americans did the heavy lifting, just as they had always done. Canada had become tired. Our governments didn't want to pay the bills for real defence. Our politicians sought after Nobel Prizes by tilting toward neutrality in the Cold War. And over time, the country's contribution to NATO's forces were progressively cut, then eliminated entirely in 1993. Let someone else pay the bills, our prime ministers said. If the United States wanted to be a superpower, always flexing its muscles, let U.S. taxpayers carry the can. When this slackness in defence is pointed out, we revert to the claim that we are the world's pre-eminent peacekeepers. The Americans fought the wars, sure, but we kept the peace. That was useful, wasn't it? Well, sort of. For years, from 1950 onward, Canadians claimed they were the only nation to be represented in every UN peacekeeping mission. Kashmir, the Israeli-Arab borders, Cyprus, Yemen, West New Guinea -- the list went on and on. The record was good, no doubt about it, but Canadians forget too much. Most of the crises were never resolved and most of the missions went on forever. Canada went to Cyprus in 1964 and finally pulled out, completely frustrated, three decades later. The Arab-Israeli conflict is never ending, and the tussle between India and Pakistan over Kashmir can flare up at any moment. Peacekeeping has its benefits -- but without peacemaking to force all parties toward a resolution, it didn't work. When peacekeeping morphed into more vigorous, more dangerous peacemaking and peace enforcement in the 1990s, Canada suddenly discovered that its shrunken military couldn't do the job for long. In Somalia, our Airborne Regiment saw two of its soldiers murder a young boy, and the unit was ultimately disbanded. Our troops serving in the former Yugoslavia performed well, but they also seemed to be hampered by Ottawa's limited rules of engagement and shoddy equipment. When a single infantry battalion was dispatched to Afghanistan in 2002 to serve under U.S. command in the war against terrorism, the soldiers wore the wrong uniforms for desert conditions and had to rely on the American forces for helicopters and close air support. The harsh truth is that Canada has largely had a free ride while the United States has taken most of the risks, paid the lion's share of the bills and, for its pains, borne the brunt of the world's abuse. The Canadian Forces, its strength shrunken, much of its equipment obsolete, cannot even credibly defend this nation's air space, sea approaches and land mass. The only question is how much longer the United States will wait before it declares that its own national security makes it necessary for Washington to openly assume responsibility for Canadian defence. Can we still call ourselves a sovereign state if that occurs? Canadians need to be more clear-headed about the world. They have national interests, not just values. They must defend them or see them overridden by others. The Americans have their own national interests, and have demonstrated they will do what is necessary to protect them. Sometimes, the Americans make mistakes, and Canadians will let them know they're wrong. But is shouting abuse the way to be heard in Washington? Or is co-operating with the U.S. politically and, if it serves Canada's interests, militarily a better way to proceed? It worked for Mike Pearson during the Korean War. It might still work in a very different but no less dangerous world. Canada is part of Western civilization, and we share the values and beliefs of that civilization. So do Americans. We must get beyond the reflexive desire to criticize the superpower next door and to understand that if the United States is crippled, we too will suffer. We can pretend we keep the peace if it pleases us to do so, but we simply must recognize that without America's strength and will, our civilization will disappear. More realism, fewer myths, please. Historian J.L. Granatstein writes on Canadian defence andforeign policy. He is a fellow of the Canadian Defence and ForeignAffairs Institute.) American Myths is made possible in part by agrant from the Donner Canadian Foundation. For more information onthe Series visit www.cdfai.org or www.dominion.ca.; Tonight: Watchthe American Myths TV series exclusivelyon Canadian LearningTelevision, 10:30 p.m. EST. � National Post 2005 |
Thanks for sharing RJ, I enjoyed reading that.
something like the nytimes needs to do something like this about canada.
decent read. A little to much " stfu canadians, the us is the greatest" though.
of course our military is lacking . they have/recieve hardly any $$.
although we have some of the greatest pilots in the world and a few good f-18's. Its not completely useless.
and of course we are gonna "have a free ride" when the us is largly the one who invests and goes into conflicts we have to interest in going into .
I also dont agree that we would disappear. ahahhaa.
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| Originally posted by Euphorica something like the nytimes needs to do something like this about canada. |
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| Originally posted by DigiNut Virtually all of the misconceptions that Canadians seem to *think* Americans have about Canada don't even exist. Many Americans I've met know more about our country than the average Canadian does. And even if they knew nothing at all - why should they? That doesn't excuse our own ignorance-based anti-Americanism. |
National Post....oh boy
Regardless, we do rely far too much on the US and should all realize that.
And as to the American myths, I don't recall too much US bashing when Clinton was in power, and when Bush is out of office, i'm sure tensions will calm.
We were shown those "Talking With Americans" shows from CBC with Rick Mercer back in OAC history, and everyone but myself gobbled it up with aplomb, and when I pointed out that nobody could possibly be this stupid and it's obviously a huge sham I was verbally denounced by a metric fuckton of idiots in the class.
I never said that shit was true...digi brought that up.
However the majority of them DO NOT know more about canada then ourselves.
Fuckin' eh RJ!! Great post!!!
Canadians don't seem to understand that if the U.S. wanted to stop trading with us, in a snap, we'd be totally screwed.
For years we've became the morally snitty sub-conscious of the U.S. without actually doing any work but feel we the right to bitch because "it affects us too".
I for one, am embarrassed that we've fallen into this role as a country.
Sure we have lots of things to be proud about but that's akin to 90 year old reminiscing about their rack of high school trophy displays; accomplishments that no one can take from them, but having no contemporary relivance.
Don't get me wrong, I absoutely love our coutry and would never dream of leaving her. I'm just disgusted with what we've become and know we can again become greater than we think we are.
Having said that, we must first realize (as a whole) what we're not doing and case our collective gaze forward instead of perpetually in the rear-view mirror.
We have no right to play the role of morality police with what little we do and until that changes, we should shutup, straighten our backs, and do some actaul work to make actual changes in ths world instead of guarding status quo...
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Canadians don't seem to understand that if the U.S. wanted to stop trading with us, in a snap, we'd be totally screwed. |
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| Originally posted by Euphorica why is it ok for them to be ignorant, but we have no excuse? |
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| Originally posted by VERTiG0 We were shown those "Talking With Americans" shows from CBC with Rick Mercer back in OAC history, and everyone but myself gobbled it up with aplomb, and when I pointed out that nobody could possibly be this stupid and it's obviously a huge sham I was verbally denounced by a metric fuckton of idiots in the class. |
Part 1 - Important Points
IMO - the most important points of part 1:
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| Peacekeeping has its benefits -- but without peacemaking to force all parties toward a resolution, it didn't work. |
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| Is shouting abuse the way to be heard in Washington? Or is co-operating with the U.S. politically and, if it serves Canada's interests, militarily a better way to proceed? It (co-operation) might still work in a very different but no less dangerous world. |
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| Originally posted by DigiNut For one thing, because Canadians spend a lot more time talking about (and bashing) Americans than Americans do Canadians. It is OK to -be- ignorant... it is not OK to choose to -remain- ignorant. While there may be some, even many Americans who are assholes and thumb their noses at Canada and Canadians, I think most just haven't had occasion or cause to learn anything about this country, whereas we in Canada are bombarded with news about the U.S. every minute of every day. I'm not defending Americans who bash Canada, I just don't believe they exist in the numbers you're implying. In fact I wonder if you've really met that many, or if you're just basing that claim on the same myths that they are trying to dispel. I would rather deal with the average American's ignorance about Canada than the average Canadian's unfounded smug sense of moral superiority toward Americans. |
Re: Part 1 - Important Points
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| Originally posted by rabbitjoker Is shouting abuse the way to be heard in Washington? Or is co-operating with the U.S. politically and, if it serves Canada's interests, militarily a better way to proceed? It (co-operation) might still work in a very different but no less dangerous world. |
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| Originally posted by Euphorica I just think that article is basically a shot at our military more then "myths" . We already know our military is lacking and its only thanks to our govt not wanting to spend money on it. |
As pointed out in the original, this is a 5-part series and that was just part 1. The first myth is that of American "imperialism" and how they're always "starting wars".
Canadians think they're taking the moral high ground by calling themselves "peacekeepers", but the whole point of this article was that someone had to make the peace first. Someone had to do the dirty work, someone had to spend the money and send in the troops, and someone had to absorb all of the hippie flak and political fallout - and that someone has almost invariably been the USA.
This has nothing to do with our lack of defense spending, although that is a huge problem in and of itself. The point here is that ever since we started calling ourselves "peacekeepers" and cutting away at the military budget, our national efforts have done little if anything to promote world peace. Despite all of the American "warmongering", the world is a far safer place today than it was 50 years ago, and that is largely because we don't have to worry anymore about getting attacked by Germany, Japan, or the former USSR - and overall tension abroad is much lower in places like Panama, Korea, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and yes, even Iraq. Sure, there are still some threats, like North Korea and Iran, but the belief that those threats exist due to American foreign policy is an utter delusion. If anything, that's probably the reason they haven't already made their move!
The fact that we should be spending more money on our own military is besides the point; we can stand on a pedestal all we want and preach peace to the Americans, but it's the ass-kicking they've dealt out to the world's bullies that has really brought the level of peace to the world which we see today. If we want the Americans to listen to us and give a shit about what we believe, then perhaps we should show them the same courtesy.
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| Originally posted by DigiNut Someone had to do the dirty work, someone had to spend the money and send in the troops, and someone had to absorb all of the hippie flak and political fallout - and that someone has almost invariably been the USA. Despite all of the American "warmongering", the world is a far safer place today than it was 50 years ago, and that is largely because we don't have to worry anymore about getting attacked by Germany, Japan, or the former USSR - and overall tension abroad is much lower in places like Panama, Korea, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and yes, even Iraq. Sure, there are still some threats, like North Korea and Iran, but the belief that those threats exist due to American foreign policy is an utter delusion. If anything, that's probably the reason they haven't already made their move! but it's the ass-kicking they've dealt out to the world's bullies that has really brought the level of peace to the world which we see today. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Canadians don't seem to understand that if the U.S. wanted to stop trading with us, in a snap, we'd be totally screwed. |
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| Originally posted by malek you are so wrong. |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH Oh? Could you elaborate please? Considering how much we export to the States, I think we would be screwed if all of the sudden they decided to cut off all trade with us. |
I will have to give you more precise numbers about the trade levels between the two countries, something this morning tells me I'm wrong but I'm not far off.
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| Originally posted by malek trade goes both way, they buy roughly a third of our production, we buy roughly 20% of theirs. Let me be more direct, the auto industry in Ontario is composed mainly of the big american three auto makers. They send 90% of their production to the US. They're building cars in Ontario because it cost them less, they would be one of the many many lobbies in the US to be for trade. The US benefits greatly from this trade and they're not doing it out of pity. |
as an American that wishes she could up and leave to Canada at a drop of a hat.. thanks for the good read - interesting
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