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Why is there no love for Armin, and Tiesto??

I love trance because of them. why not alot of people on this board like them.

Re: Why is there no love for Armin, and Tiesto??

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Originally posted by limpboy I love trance because of them. why not alot of people on this board like them.

In time you shall learn young padawan...

Don't even worry about it. Listen to what you love. With popularity comes hatred.

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Originally posted by Ek0nomik Don't even worry about it. Listen to what you love. With popularity comes hatred.

I would say listen to what you love, but variety is the spice of life...dont be afraid to try something new...


...there is ALOT out there...its endless...ASOT is not the be all end all of trance.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I would say listen to what you love, but variety is the spice of life...dont be afraid to try something new... ...there is ALOT out there...its endless...ASOT is not the be all end all of trance.

i think thats fair to say, variety and having an eclectic taste are very important.

but you push prog on people. and i think you're niave if you say you're broadening peoples tastes...

Re: Why is there no love for Armin, and Tiesto??

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Originally posted by limpboy I love trance because of them. why not alot of people on this board like them.

ditto man. I don't get it either.

It's just there so much out there that people find their tastes then everything else becomes tasteless, much like the attitudes you'll get to know around here. It's unfortunate, but just let shit slide off our back and don't be susceptible to it.

Discovering trance = Discovering yourself

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I would say listen to what you love, but variety is the spice of life...dont be afraid to try something new... ...there is ALOT out there...its endless...ASOT is not the be all end all of trance.

Oh I completely agree. I love every single liveset I hear by Zabiela. I love every single one by Sasha too. I even listen to smaller names too if I can find them. I love trying new tastes, but I will admit I do listen to ASOT every single week, because I like a lot of the music Armin plays. It's a way for me to hear some new things, while further hearing new things from other artists.

i posted a similar topic a while ago and got flamed for my 'narrow scope' my uneducated choice of music and my lack of knowledge of obsucre producers. so now i've come to accept that there is a silent majority on TA who love Armin Ferry and Tiesto (and their ilk) above all else while also listening to prog/techno/breaks/whatever. It's just that it's not 'cool' to say how kickass that last ASOT or ISOS CD was because regular people buy those too. It's much cooler to publicly promote obsucre producers of off genres of trance (the more you can list, the better... all their aliases dating back to ~1965 too!) and be a closet fan. (apologies to those to whom this does not apply, I know you're out there too)

bottom line is, all the people who love tiesto and armin got flamed into oblivion (remeber the tiesto hate parade a few years ago?), so now few of them post anymore, leaving techno and prog aficionados to rule the place. but don't believe they're gone.. have a look at the TA top 100!

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Originally posted by ambrus07 i posted a similar topic a while ago and got flamed for my 'narrow scope' my uneducated choice of music and my lack of knowledge of obsucre producers. so now i've come to accept that there is a silent majority on TA who love Armin Ferry and Tiesto (and their ilk) above all else while also listening to prog/techno/breaks/whatever. It's just that it's not 'cool' to say how kickass that last ASOT or ISOS CD was because regular people buy those too. It's much cooler to publicly promote obsucre producers of off genres of trance (the more you can list, the better... all their aliases dating back to ~1965 too!) and be a closet fan. (apologies to those to whom this does not apply, I know you're out there too) bottom line is, all the people who love tiesto and armin got flamed into oblivion (remeber the tiesto hate parade a few years ago?), so now few of them post anymore, leaving techno and prog aficionados to rule the place. but don't believe they're gone.. have a look at the TA top 100!

Well that's because nobody puts up an argument to go against their "flaming" ways. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily say these people are all prog/techno addicts, they just may not like some productions by Armin or Tiesto. At the same time, there are those who hate them just simply because they have a larger more known name. And that's the worst argument you can possibly make, but, not everybody reasons their thoughts well.

Armin= too boring and fluffy

Once u hear one set from him, u've heard em all.

Tiesto's sets are just sub standard for a top DJ. Poor transitions, same old track selection(mostly his stuff), and really doesnt do much in terms of innovation in terms of DJing.

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Originally posted by trewqy Armin= too boring and fluffy Once u hear one set from him, u've heard em all. Tiesto's sets are just sub standard for a top DJ. Poor transitions, same old track selection(mostly his stuff), and really doesnt do much in terms of innovation in terms of DJing.

if Armin doesnt do it for you that's fine. i just think it's wrong to criticize people for whom Armin DOES do it just because YOU don't like his style.

i agree with your asessment of tiesto's dj-ing skills, however his track selection tends to make up for it in my opinion and he has been one of the most consistent producing Dj's in terms of success.

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Originally posted by Ek0nomik Well that's because nobody puts up an argument to go against their "flaming" ways. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily say these people are all prog/techno addicts, they just may not like some productions by Armin or Tiesto. At the same time, there are those who hate them just simply because they have a larger more known name. And that's the worst argument you can possibly make, but, not everybody reasons their thoughts well.

i also think the elitists have a logical edge over the popular crowd; they tend to have a deeper understanding of EDM and have been fans longer. for these reasons they argue better and tend to win flame wars. however, none of this gives them liscence to hate on the Djs who probably got them into it too, and even less liscence to hate on people who like those Djs. they use their superior knowledge to put down newer fans so they can build their own ego and confidence which is SO pathetic it's almost funny.

(again, i'm not talking about all/just prog or techno fans im talking about elitists.. of any genre)

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Originally posted by trewqy Armin= too boring and fluffy Once u hear one set from him, u've heard em all. Tiesto's sets are just sub standard for a top DJ. Poor transitions, same old track selection(mostly his stuff), and really doesnt do much in terms of innovation in terms of DJing.

So all the new tracks I heard this year by Armin (Yes, I heard new ones in other sets too, but I also heard new productions in some of his) don't actually exist? Sure you can hear some of the same songs in his sets, but if that kind of music is your style, it sounds good.

I will agree that Tiesto doesn't seem to be as creative, and he really does play his productions out heavily. Regardless, he still has fun music to listen to here and there. I honestly haven't heard a damn thing from him this year. I don't think I have a single new set by him, and definetly no productions. Which furthermore proves that the DJ Magazine contest is truly popularity, but that was also proven through the awesome Mikey experiment.

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Originally posted by Ek0nomik also proven through the awesome Mikey experiment.

speaking of which, has TA's newly crowned sex idol posted a "thank you" thread yet?

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I would say listen to what you love, but variety is the spice of life...dont be afraid to try something new... ...there is ALOT out there...its endless...ASOT is not the be all end all of trance.

Listen to him, here's your answer

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Originally posted by djallure Listen to him, here's your answer

I don't think that necessarily relates to the topic starters question.

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Originally posted by ambrus07 i posted a similar topic a while ago and got flamed for my 'narrow scope' my uneducated choice of music and my lack of knowledge of obsucre producers. so now i've come to accept that there is a silent majority on TA who love Armin Ferry and Tiesto (and their ilk) above all else while also listening to prog/techno/breaks/whatever. It's just that it's not 'cool' to say how kickass that last ASOT or ISOS CD was because regular people buy those too. It's much cooler to publicly promote obsucre producers of off genres of trance (the more you can list, the better... all their aliases dating back to ~1965 too!) and be a closet fan. (apologies to those to whom this does not apply, I know you're out there too) bottom line is, all the people who love tiesto and armin got flamed into oblivion (remeber the tiesto hate parade a few years ago?), so now few of them post anymore, leaving techno and prog aficionados to rule the place. but don't believe they're gone.. have a look at the TA top 100!

Good post.

I was actually surprised (albeit slightly disgusted) with the TA top 100, considering the amount of EDM-Nazis on here... but I suppose there aren't actually a lot of those people around; they just make more posts and make more of a scene in every thread.

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Originally posted by ambrus07 It's just that it's not 'cool' to say how kickass that last ASOT or ISOS CD was because regular people buy those too. It's much cooler to publicly promote obsucre producers of off genres of trance (the more you can list, the better... all their aliases dating back to ~1965 too!) and be a closet fan. (apologies to those to whom this does not apply, I know you're out there too)

Considering the fact that the terms "EDM Nazi" and "haters" get thrown around so much, it's obvious that the majority of ASOT listeners and Tiesto fans do not give two shits about whether it's "cool" to like these things or not. Why would there be such a massive clash of opinions here if the ASOT and Tiesto fans did not express how much they love the stuff?

I think maybe theres an element of "tall poppy syndrome" at work too.

Each to their own though, people shouldnt be closeting any support of a particular artist simply because others dont like them.

Well..there's trance, and then there's the stuff Armin/Tiesto play.

It's somewhat analogous to how there's sushi.......and then there's california rolls.

If you don't understand....I give you about nine months.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Well..there's trance, and then there's the stuff Armin/Tiesto play. It's somewhat analogous to how there's sushi.......and then there's california rolls. If you don't understand....I give you about nine months.

lol...I hate california rolls.

When I hear a no-name DJ craft a trance set equally on par with your typical Tiestin van Corstenfolds, it begs the question what they've got that No-Name doesn't.

And the answer is... MARK-ET-ING.

This is where a large amount of 'hate' gets thrown at the superstar DJs. Through the sheer power of their Publicity Teams, they have mangaged to create a deity-like aura around them, reducing the dance-music experience to spectating as you go to see them, ************ of the music. Yes, you have to at least enjoy what they play to some extent, but there are countless folks out there that play damned near identical stuff. The only difference is they are not celebrities.

Folks who enjoy the music for it's own sake see the Cirque de Tiesto experience as ludicrus.

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Originally posted by Sykonee When I hear a no-name DJ craft a trance set equally on par with your typical Tiestin van Corstenfolds, it begs the question what they've got that No-Name doesn't. And the answer is... MARK-ET-ING.

add to that their productions. tiesto wouldnt be half the "star" he is without his artist albums. granted his earlier mix albums were good too but it was flight 643 and traffic and all that shit he plays in every single one of his sets that his fans go to see him for. the sad thing is theyre going to see him spin his own tracks, not play them.

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Originally posted by allcentury18 but you push prog on people. and i think you're niave if you say you're broadening peoples tastes...

FYI, Clovasha is one of the many TA's who consistently makes fun of me for spinning prog...

its cause there commercial and everyone on here thinks there "sell outs" cause of it.. if you notice any dj that starts to make some money everyone starts to hate... first it was oakenfold was a sell out.. then it moved to tiesto.. now armin... i say sasha will be next on the list or PVD....but everyone knows they all have tiesto's and oakenfolds cds they just wont admit! I know i do and i still love em both..

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