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Tech wizards needed, buying a PC for FS

First off, I'm not sure if this should belong in here, but this PC will be used predominantly for Final Scratch as my current one is probably older than Cher, so I figured it qualifies for the DJ Booth.

Click me for choice number 1.

Click me for choice number 2.

Click me for choice number 3.


So for all you ub3r 1337 d00ds out there, which, if any, is the better purchase? I'm assuming they will all be made using cheap and nasty parts, but I'm not really up to date on the difference between processors and whatnot. The difference in hard drive size doesn't really bother me. Does the 64 bit chip make that much of a difference?


Cheers for any help in advance.

I wouldn't buy any of those just because the onboard video hogs the external RAM. Also, it's probably a crap motherboard.

All of them are good, even the cheap one, and will definately get you through FS.

I know somebody who runs FS like 1.1 in linux on a 333mhz processor and it runs as good as a 64bit 3200+

I'd only recommend choice one because it's not an AMD.

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Originally posted by ieko I'd only recommend choice one because it's not an AMD.

The AMD 64 bit 3200+ has the integrated features to Equal a Intel 3.2ghz processor. Plus AMD is better & cheaper.

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Originally posted by SpecRadio The AMD 64 bit 3200+ has the integrated features to Equal a Intel 3.2ghz processor. Plus AMD is better & cheaper.

When they're not catching fire.

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Originally posted by ieko When they're not catching fire.

How many procoessors have you seen "catch on fire" or blow up? The only time i've seen it, is when they took the fan/heatsink off and overclocked it & ran like doom 3 and it literally just like discintegrated.

in terms of buying a laptop for similar uses (FS or Ableton) correct me if I'm wrong, but the important specs are the onboard memory and the gghz right? I'm in the market for a laptop, and admittedly don't know too much about them...

I guess with a laptop, you should aim for a PENTIUM 4 (HT) processor....and not a Pentium M or Pentium celeron. The P4 will have the most computing power...although, it might be a heavier machine and the batter might not be as long lasting.

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Originally posted by Soundwerks I guess with a laptop, you should aim for a PENTIUM 4 (HT) processor....and not a Pentium M or Pentium celeron. The P4 will have the most computing power...although, it might be a heavier machine and the batter might not be as long lasting.

definitely go for p4. the shitty battery life/heavier issues are nothing compared to the extra processessing power (especially if FS/SSL gets glitchy and you dont want any drop outs, skips, etc)

razzi.

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Originally posted by SpecRadio I wouldn't buy any of those just because the onboard video hogs the external RAM. Also, it's probably a crap motherboard.

that can be changed anyway.



umm, pentium 4 is old technology, u need to consider some of the newer chipsets on the market. Although they may have lower HZ listed, the newer chips means that the computer is more efficient, and in reality can actually be faster than something from an older P4, or celeron chipset. I'm not too familiar with the newer chipsets, u gotta do ur own research there. sorry.

but, in all honesty, my 2.2Gig celeron with 702MB ram does the job easily without fail. i can even play 3-4 year old computer games in teh background if i wanted, ha ha.

if ur gonna get a USB soundcard, get one with onboard RAM (if such things exist with USB models, i don't know).

most important thing u need to consider is RAM. i'd recommend 700MB+. The ideal would be 1 Gigabyte. but 512Mb minimum should be surrvivable, if u close all ur other programs, or if ur other specifications in the computer are good.



sorry, i didn't look at ur links, but u should be able to make ur own decision from wat i've given u.

#1 Choice:

No, its a desktop.

#2 Choice:

No, its a desktop.

#3 Choice:

No, its a desktop.



All you need is a dedicated laptop (meaning you dont use it for anything else, not even porn) with about 1.8 Ghx centrino, 1 GB + of ram, and at least 120gb harddrive, and firewire for fs2. you dont even need a good soundcard, the scratch amp does it all.

The rest is all gravy, becase any laptop with those specs is gonna have probably a decent soundcard, cdr maybe dvdr, etc etc etc.

Im running on less and im doing good.

If you ever wanna go mobile, a desktop is wasting your time!

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Originally posted by Soundwerks I guess with a laptop, you should aim for a PENTIUM 4 (HT) processor....and not a Pentium M or Pentium celeron. The P4 will have the most computing power...although, it might be a heavier machine and the batter might not be as long lasting.

eeek, P4 is the last thing id chose, The PM architechture is leaps and bounds better than P4, avoid P4 and stick with PM

just get a 12' Apple Powerbook that should be perfect, or if you want to save money get an Ibook.

i dont know about the sound card on an ibook, but on my Powerbook its great, i can run Logic on it fine and i do recording off it all the time

you want stability which an apple laptop can provide unrivaled by any pc

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Originally posted by dinoXpress All you need is a dedicated laptop

I'm poor.

I'm only getting a desktop because my existing computer is on the verge of extinction, but I'm planning on buying FS soon so I thought I might aswell get a computer that will be upgradeable without too many problems in the near future.

My Dad has a fairly decent laptop incase I ever wanted to go mobile, but I thought I'd kill 2 birds with one stone by uprgrading my bedroom set up and getting a new PC too.

I was just at Comp USA yesterday and am thinking about going with the new G5 laptop...its only like $1300. I've heard good things about Apples, but their specs seem to be less than most normal laptops...in terms of on board memory and gghz...anyone know anything about Apples notebooks?

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Originally posted by zizack I was just at Comp USA yesterday and am thinking about going with the new G5 laptop...its only like $1300. I've heard good things about Apples, but their specs seem to be less than most normal laptops...in terms of on board memory and gghz...anyone know anything about Apples notebooks?

what do u wanna know?

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Originally posted by Nic what do u wanna know?

basically, if it is a decent enough laptop to run Ableton in a club environment? I have a PC, so I'm not even going to hook this up to the internet or use it for personal use, its solely going to be used to dj. i know everything there is to know about actual dj equipment, nothing about computers.

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Originally posted by zizack basically, if it is a decent enough laptop to run Ableton in a club environment? I have a PC, so I'm not even going to hook this up to the internet or use it for personal use, its solely going to be used to dj. i know everything there is to know about actual dj equipment, nothing about computers.

Yes! most certainly, just make sure you add heaps of ram (get third party ram, apple ram is expensive)

You dont have to take my word for it though here is sasha djing with his powerbook:



Pleanty of other big name djs do the same, try typing in powerbook and BT, Gabriel and Dresden, or Richie Hawtin into google image search

thanks for the input. I think i was actually looking at the ibooks...not the powerbooks. Is there a big difference? Also the new g5 pcs look cool as well....the ones with the built in screen.

The ibooks have slower hard drivers, slower buses and slower cpus. For DJing/production i'd really recommend a powerbook, but you could probably get by with an ibook

I was just at the Apple Store today and the guy recommened the Powerbook. , as opposed to the ibook. I think I am going to go with the 12 inch version and max out the memory to 1.25 GB.

http://edmm.ca/index.php?set_albumN...=view_photo.php

it looks like Sasha is using the G5 PC, not the powerbook. I was looking at them today as well and spec wise, they're definitely better than the powerbooks and cheaper. I'm just not sure how feasable it is to lug around to clubs.

Yeah specwise a G5 iMac is better than the G4 Powerbooks, but do you really want to lug around an iMac instead of a 12" Powerbook? I'd go with the 12" with full memory upgrades.

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Originally posted by Zild Yeah specwise a G5 iMac is better than the G4 Powerbooks, but do you really want to lug around an iMac instead of a 12" Powerbook? I'd go with the 12" with full memory upgrades.

well, its not like a full PC or anything...its basically the same size as a laptop and not really heavy either. i'm just concerned that it might not be built strong enough to withstand being brought to a club a few times a month. On the other hand...Sasha does it multiple times a week....

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Originally posted by zizack well, its not like a full PC or anything...its basically the same size as a laptop and not really heavy either. i'm just concerned that it might not be built strong enough to withstand being brought to a club a few times a month. On the other hand...Sasha does it multiple times a week....

Yeah, it should work uf you are up for it..

But the only drawback is the keyboard you have to lug around.. really..

I bet apple offers a travel case of some sort..

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