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Recently Richie Hawtin's played a set at Zouk singapore Dec 22. He did not use the turntables at all. He was actually using a laptop. He is using a technology called Final Scratch which i read in an article. All he had to do was programme the songs into the computer, select the tunes and play them at the press of a button.

so guys wat is your opnion? when i pay to go to a gig, i expect the dj to be working on his set, mixing the music using the traditional mixer and turntable not some prerecorded music from a laptop.

if in the future all big names dj start using the latest technology to dish out their sets, wat would the future of the 12" be like.

The future is digital and nothing can't stop it. But I'm not agree that only pressing a button you have the mix done.

Re: Opinon on DJ who dun use vinyl

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Originally posted by SP@@KY Recently Richie Hawtin's played a set at Zouk singapore Dec 22. He did not use the turntables at all. He was actually using a laptop. He is using a technology called Final Scratch which i read in an article. All he had to do was programme the songs into the computer, select the tunes and play them at the press of a button. so guys wat is your opnion? when i pay to go to a gig, i expect the dj to be working on his set, mixing the music using the traditional mixer and turntable not some prerecorded music from a laptop. if in the future all big names dj start using the latest technology to dish out their sets, wat would the future of the 12" be like.

getting paid thousands and thousands dollars to press one or two times a button in a lap top ????? no i don't agree with this ...

it's true that u can't stop the "digitalisation" of the world , but i think it's too much

Before making any statements that could possibly make you look like an utter fool, you might want to actually find out what the FinalScratch system actually is ... this might be a good start:

www.finalscratch.com

"The future is digital and nothing can't stop it. But I'm not agree that only pressing a button you have the mix done."

ya maybe you are rite it may not be that easy. any way i found the link to Final Scratch official website.
http://www.finalscratch.com/
those who are interested can go there to take a look.

I for one think it's a fantastic idea! The music selection you can carry with you now? My god, so much more, at the same time you don't have to carry the weight of vinyl. Nothing else has changed, your skills are still required, you still use two turntables and a mixer to play. It's no "push of a button mix" - read up!

Sorry hasnt sommit been missed, this technology is not new, and if it was better an easier to do a set using it, it would be used everywhere, but if you ask any big dj he will prob say there is nothing like vinyl, the quality, the sound and the caracter

Playing digital recordings just doesn't have the 'OOOMPH' deep heavy bass kick you can get off Vinyl, especially if the tracks are in .MP3 format. The whole FinalScratch system still has some latency - around 12ms which is a LOT for live audio application. It is a very nice idea but I wouldn't start selling my vinyl just yet. Digital audio has its applications mostly in consumer / portable markets but analog will NEVER die.

And wouldn't you look like a dork showing up at a party with a laptop instead of with a vinyl case ...

Hawtin will get backlash for this one.........and he'll go back to using vinyl.........if i paid to see him and he showed up with a laptop.......i'd want my money back.

well, if i was going to a rave where some dj was playing off a laptop, my tickets better be fuckin 5 dollars, or i wouldnt go, i wouldnt pay 10 dollars to see someone spin a set off a laptop

there is a dj that gets played on some radio stations in the US who uses the alias "dj master web" or "dj sanford wallace" who doesn't use vinyl, mainly just mp3's. His sets sound very UK i think he is from the UK and from what they say about him he still gets paid a LOT even though he doesn't use vinyl.

digital music just doesn't have that "live" feeling, if you know what i mean. the song always sounds the same when you play it. on vinyl it's different every time because of dust. i think that noise makes the tune sound more alive or whatever.
as for paying to see someone mix songs on a laptop: my winamp does a decent job for me with a Nullsoft Crossfading plugin, so i can be called a dj in a sense

Hmm, I guess people who know the least, know it the loudest. Obviously certain individuals here don't think it is necessary to acquire some basic knowledge on the subject they're trying to talk about.

Again, before embarassing yourself you should *really* check www.finalscratch.com and look through the site for a little while. Nobody is playing a set off a laptop, it only acts as storage for audio files and as a playback device - which is controlled through a regular turntable and a FinalScratch record. Mixing is still done by ear, just like vinyl. So if you think that playing a set off FinalScratch is somehow inferior to playing a set off vinyl then you really need to check yourself.

FinalScratch is meant to be used in conjunction with regular vinyl, nobody is trying to replace anything. It is still in development phase and it is being tested by a few DJs (Hawtin and Acquaviva being two that come to mind right now). I have seen them both perform live with FinalScratch and I can assure you, the technique and skill are exactly similar to playing vinyl.

ok now if i understand , instead of taking all your vinyls with you , all you do is having ur laptop with media files and u can have an analog control on them thanks to that "special vinyl" right ? looks extremely nice

i would just like to see a dj put effort into the mix, if they were live using a mp3 mixer, that wouldnt be much effort, i know with my mix cds, like i use atomixmp3, and i dont put much effort in, just click match beats and it does it, but if they were using cds instead of vinyls i would be fine with that too, cuz at least they are putting effort, i mean i am paying to see what htey can do, not what hte computer can do for them
late

I just hope 12"s and turntables will stay forever...
I was at a gig with deep dish. They only used cds...
Didn't like this at all. Dj > Disk Jockey... The should call them
Cj or even mp3j :P

hmm weird... I will probably get flamed because of this but I don't think it really matters how the DJ plays his set; using turntables, laptop etc. It's the sound and the feeling that matters to me. I'm there to _hear_ the music, not to see it Besides, most DJs I know just stand there and keep on adjusting the sound settings etc so I don't get any satisfaction seeing that the guy is actually working(?) lol. Furthermore I'd imagine that you have to do lots of pre-work before you actually arrive to the party and play your set so "press one button and that's it" hardly describes the effort. However, a good DJ can read the crowd and see what they like and change the prethought playlist.

So IMO, use a CD, vinyl, laptop, C64 or whatever, as long as you manage to play a great sounding and well-thought set.

My 0.02 �

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Originally posted by mindbender hmm weird... I will probably get flamed because of this but I don't think it really matters how the DJ plays his set; using turntables, laptop etc. It's the sound and the feeling that matters to me. I'm there to _hear_ the music, not to see it Besides, most DJs I know just stand there and keep on adjusting the sound settings etc so I don't get any satisfaction seeing that the guy is actually working(?) lol. Furthermore I'd imagine that you have to do lots of pre-work before you actually arrive to the party and play your set so "press one button and that's it" hardly describes the effort. However, a good DJ can read the crowd and see what they like and change the prethought playlist. So IMO, use a CD, vinyl, laptop, C64 or whatever, as long as you manage to play a great sounding and well-thought set. My 0.02 �

I agree with u (so flame me too).
Vesatility is important for DJ, if he suddenly plays a CLASSIC n manages to surprise the crowd and they go totally berserk, who would care if it is vinyl, mp3, cd ?
btw, ritchie hawtin wasn't as good as the previous time he came down.
so thumbs down to the man ... (maybe he was still experimenting with the laptop ?) probably.

i dont have a problem with MP3 DJ'ing, i just wouldnt do it
myself, im very much the vinyl purist (love the feel hehe).

however what i object to about mp3 dj'ing (and cddj'ing to an extent)
is the blatently crap attitude of some of them (those who dont get
nice promos). the whole "i wont buy any tunes, ill just download
them off the internet and burn" way of thinking.
Promo CD's are alot harder to get than 12" but that shouldnt be a
problem, get a TT and PC ;p

well thats my bitching done,
Regards,
hS

after looking through the site and checking out the vids... i think this thing is very cool and a major step forwards in dj technology

for those griping about mp3 djing... take the time to actually look through the site and you'll see that this is more than djing with mp3's off a laptop...

a quote comes to mind... "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth."

The digital dj's that use licensed music are fine, it doesn't take much talent to mix on a computer, because it can't be done that well, without help of software to do it.

Final scratch is way different than just "pressing a button", like the others said, check it out first.

My main problem with digital dj's is that 99% of the time, they are playing unlicensed music, they didn't purchase it, and they have no right to broadcast it. There is very little sound quality difference, I spin vinyl, and it does sound better, but not way too much. Understand that tracks are DIGITAL before putting it on the analog media, which means the sound is not that different at all.

Analog media is too popular, and I think requires more talent, and the fact remains that most clubs have turntables.

i have to agree that it is more than just "pressing a button".

maybe i am nostalgia. i wish dj would keep on playing the classics of the past but i know that would not be very possible. but i wish some things would always remain the same that is the use of the turntables and mixer.

i do not know much about djing. maybe mixing music tru the use of software my not be that easy either. technology is great (else we would not have our mp3) and maybe this software may allow dj to do things that the traditional mixer cant do(I dunno abt this) but some how i feel the human touch is lost.

Re: Opinon on DJ who dun use vinyl

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Originally posted by SP@@KY Recently Richie Hawtin's played a set at Zouk singapore Dec 22. He did not use the turntables at all. He was actually using a laptop. He is using a technology called Final Scratch which i read in an article. All he had to do was programme the songs into the computer, select the tunes and play them at the press of a button.

laptop deejays. i totally do not agree with this. it's a bunch of bullshit, although, i've seen more and more deejays use their laptop lazy cheap ass...i mean i dont know what is the deal....

>JM<

iv got alot of stuff to say about it. Im a dick so I wont go into it.. but to prove how much of a dick I am:

Final Scratch DOES use a "Special Vinyl Plate". which are the same size ect. as vinyl, but are "Blank" so that the music on the laptop can be transfered ect. SO! your wrong


but, i hate dj's who just use cd players

kind of homosexual :/


peace
-Andrew

i saw richie hawtin a few weeks ago he was using the final scratch system before you guys diss it check what it actually is eh the whole point of final scratch is to find a comprimise between the traditional technology and new ones for those that dont know final scratch is NOT just pressing a button and having your mp3s mix by themselves or some bs.
it involves
using normal tunrtables (your technics would be best! ) and a special encoded record. the only new thing to the whole setup is the laptop the encoded records (youl probably need 2 or 3 for each deck) and your music on the laptop. what final scratch does is it hooks up to your mixer or table? im not sure actually but basically it allows the digital music on the laptop act as if it is all on the special encoded record all it means is the songs from the laptop are instantly accesable on your records and you dont need to swap records at all during the whole mix... because everytime you load up a new song its like the vinyl transforms to a 12" of that song and you mix like you would any other vinyl... its meant to be bringing a both worlds together and i think it is a intresting idea but i dunno how it would work out... i dont like the idea of having all your music on a computer to play out either tho...

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