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Posted by sterilis on Nov-21-2005 14:09:

Finishing a Track???

Does any1 b workin on a track an listen to it so many times that it u eventually get sick of it an never finish it?

If so, any1 no how 2 overcome this problem?


Posted by Digital Aura on Nov-21-2005 14:48:

YEs...EVERY song I do I think that at some point.

The "pat" answer I hear around here a lot is to not play your loops so much between creative sessions. Work on the hook, find something you like and then MOVE ON. Dont keep playin it cuz you like it.

Now.. that didnt really work for me...here's what I've found works and it builds on this principle above.
Tackle your projects in "chunks". Layout in your mind (or on paper) how the song will progress. Prog trance will take some time to blossom into your lead "hook" part, while Euro and dance will have verse then chorus (hook). Obviously start with the hook. Most songs build themselves around the hooks so you need that first. Then "put it away" and work on the beats. Maybe just the basic framework first. Then work on your verses or work on the build up to the first appearance of your hook. Refer to listening to the hook ONLY if you actually forget what it sounds like!! Then work on the build / break. Then work on the Outro. If you are now happy with yourself for not "indulging" in your "mad azz" hook then work on the MIX at the track level. Now you'll HAVE TO listen to your hook several times to get it right, but by now you have most of your synths/tracks chosen and can work on getting it all to gel.
When this is done, then you have most of the SUBSTANCE for your track and can start slip editing stuff in place. Having a clear mental framework goes a long way in justifying your track in your own mind. Lastly, work on the perc fills and background effects. By now you'll be almost done and only to happy to hear the fruits of your labour!
While working in "chunks", remember not to overdo it. I typically work on one chunk per day for a couple hours. You can work on more than one chunk, but the key is creativity..if you aren't feeling overly creative then go play some Battlefield 2 for awhile! Come back to it later.
Hope that helps you!


Posted by armanivespucci on Nov-21-2005 15:20:

I have hundreds of unfinished tracks. I'll play a loop so much that something that was once beautiful begins to sound flat.

Fortunately if I come back to my stuff after a month it tends to sound good again and I make more progress.


Posted by sterilis on Nov-21-2005 17:24:

thanx for help guys. gona try a few of ur tips an hopefully wont get bored shitless of my tracks. lol.


Posted by nochinstroke on Nov-21-2005 20:12:

Yeh, finishing tracks is a very hard thing to do.


Posted by david.michael on Nov-21-2005 20:39:

quote:
Originally posted by armanivespucci
I have hundreds of unfinished tracks. I'll play a loop so much that something that was once beautiful begins to sound flat.

Fortunately if I come back to my stuff after a month it tends to sound good again and I make more progress.


Same here.

Sometimes it doesn't even take a month.

Sometimes I just need to wait until the next day, lol...

Sleeping on it can be very enlightening when you come back and listen to the previous night's work. (The good and bad are much more obvious)


Posted by djlogik on Nov-21-2005 21:09:

I find that I either have the urge to make my music or I don't. When I don't, I play a game, hang out with friends, but basically just do something else for a little and if I have the urge again then I get my ass back to working on it =D


Posted by Bedlam-UK on Nov-22-2005 00:01:

same here....somedays I'm really on form and have some great melodies wizzing around in my head......other days my mind is blank so I just listen to a few morrisey songs

I know what you mean about getting bored when working with a loop that sounded great at first then seems lifeless after a few hundred repetions.

It's quite normal and if you did the same thing listening to your favorite song over and over again...you soon get bored with it....until a year or so later when it all sounds good again


Posted by sterilis on Nov-22-2005 00:09:

i hav da boredom problem wif my vinyl. wen i get a new record i play it so much dat i wont play it 4 months den it sounds good again but producing wise i fink a few months down da line u hav lost the element in da track u were producing. so its like startin again.


Posted by david.michael on Nov-22-2005 00:19:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_kane
i hav da boredom problem wif my vinyl. wen i get a new record i play it so much dat i wont play it 4 months den it sounds good again but producing wise i fink a few months down da line u hav lost the element in da track u were producing. so its like startin again.


th


Posted by sterilis on Nov-22-2005 00:22:

th?


Posted by zodiac9 on Nov-22-2005 00:28:

Re: Finishing a Track???

quote:
Originally posted by dj_kane
Does any1 b workin on a track an listen to it so many times that it u eventually get sick of it an never finish it?

If so, any1 no how 2 overcome this problem?


HAHA! I have to laugh because everyone probably feels this way. Yep, I get sick of a track after I've worked on it for days and days. I've found that if I take a few days break from working on a track , I'm ready to come back and continue working on it. Maybe even take another few days break after that. I usually have several tracks I'm working on at the same time, so when I get sick of one, I work on another. Sometimes I have to force myself to go back and work on the track I'm taking a break from, but once I begin, it isn't so hard to get interested in it again.

Sometimes it takes just pure discipline to finish a track, motivate yourself, force yourself to sit down and work on it. OK, I admit at that point it becomes less fun, but once you actually complete a track you'll be very glad. Sometimes there's no easy way to deal with track burnout.


Posted by Bedlam-UK on Nov-22-2005 00:29:

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Posted by sterilis on Nov-22-2005 00:32:

lol thats slang for you <<<< that ok lol


Posted by paulc_dj on Nov-22-2005 00:32:

I have hundreds of unfinished flp files littering my hard drive. I think the one that I am working on now is the closest I have ever got to finishing a track. When it starts to load down the CPU too much and starts jumping and cracking, I lose interest.

PC


Posted by sterilis on Nov-22-2005 00:34:

that happens to me with my programs they start crackling then when you mix them down the crackling has gone. it couldn't be the RAM though because im runnin on a gig.


Posted by DigiNut on Nov-22-2005 01:26:

Here's my suggestion:

1. Don't loop your tracks. Just don't. Turn off the repeat, and always wait at least a couple of minutes before playing the track from start to finish.

2. Don't play the track from start to finish. You've already heard the first section 2 dozen times, you don't need to hear it again. When you're completely done with a new section, THEN listen to the whole thing again to make sure it's consistent.

3. Don't render the newest version of your track. When you have to actually open up your sequencer to listen to it, it's less tempting to do unless you're actually going to *work* on the track.

That's what I do. Take it or leave it.


Posted by david.michael on Nov-22-2005 01:28:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_kane
lol thats slang for you <<<< that ok lol


better.


sorry, had to pick on ya.



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