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Posted by don_q on Nov-27-2005 08:00:

DJs Being Pushed Out by iPods

The title is a little sarcastic, but its still interesting... funny

quote:
The jukebox at the bar Brian Toro manages isn't gathering dust just yet � but it may only be a matter of time. The popular nightspot is among a growing number of places across the country where people can bring their iPods and other portable music players and, for as long as the bartender allows, share their personal favorites with the crowd.

"Everybody wants to be a DJ,"...


continue @: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051126...us/portable_djs


Posted by T-Soma on Nov-27-2005 10:25:

Who wants to spin at a bar where the people only care about listening to some idiots Ipod?
Yea you gotta start somewhere but i think we can afford to skip these kind of places.


Posted by Allied Nations on Nov-27-2005 10:36:

people need a party leader, this is a trewndy thing right now, soon it will get stupid.


Posted by Nemesis44 on Nov-27-2005 14:24:

Bah, just like an open decks night but without real DJs. It is literally just someone cashing in on the iPod craze and nothing more.
And considering they make a reference to a Juke Box then it's not exactly the venue you would find any DJ worth his salt anyways.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Nov-28-2005 19:32:

hey now, let the retards be retarded! someone should park a shortbus out front of this place and abandon it.


Posted by SpecRadio on Nov-28-2005 21:09:

There's no pitch fader on iPods


Posted by s3nate on Nov-28-2005 23:22:

I hate iPods, everyone has them and think they are the greatest thing since slice bread. And whats up with that iPod mixer thing some company made?


Posted by _-MIl0 on Nov-28-2005 23:34:

quote:
The jukebox at the bar Brian Toro manages isn't gathering dust just yet
No Name for the bar says all about it and besides that Brian Toro isint exactly the person dictating music policy around the world. Maby if it was a big club like fabric i would be worried but i think the chances of that happening are about the same as me farting monkeys


Posted by ZeJayMan on Nov-29-2005 15:09:

Exclamation

I bought an Ipod, it broke ,they suck so much, i mean, i get the concept but they really are flimsy, i doubt they're more than a two year fad,the numark ipod mixer thing is a total joke, vinyls and cd's have been around forever and proved themselves again and again.
End Of...


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Nov-29-2005 15:36:

quote:
Originally posted by ZeJayMan
I bought an Ipod, it broke ,they suck so much, i mean, i get the concept but they really are flimsy, i doubt they're more than a two year fad,the numark ipod mixer thing is a total joke, vinyls and cd's have been around forever and proved themselves again and again.
End Of...


Well put.

Apple stuff is generally a joke. Overpriced consumer junk packaged into pretty plastic.

Just to give you an idea of how unoriginal the "new" ipod mini is..



In 1954, regency released the world's first pocket transistor radio. It was called the TR1. pictured above is the iPod mini and the regency TR1. 51 years, but little has changed. only difference is the iPod supports music piracy, not the artists.

I'd be more tha happy to go back to the good ole days of warm tube-generated AM radio signals with nothing but vinyl and a mic driving a tube transmitter that could heat a siberian shack with no insulation all winter long.

technology has turned into such gheyness!

meanwhile, i'm going to go put the needle down on my favorite piece of 1970s technology.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-29-2005 20:43:

I hope this is a joke... (actually after re-reading it I'm pretty sure it IS sarcastic, but I'll rant anyway)

You are saying that because the iPod is the same size as an FM radio that it's equivalent in usefulness?

I've had an iPod for over two years now (and haven't had a single problem with it). I used several other MP3 players prior to the iPod, and they were all so much more difficult to operate and populate with music. I'm no idiot, try driving and changing tracks on some of the current non-iPod MP3 players and you'll crash your car. The createive nomad required you to press buttons on both sides of the unit to navigate the tracks.

The iPod "just works", which is whole idea of Apple products. I plug my iPod into my mac and everything works just as it should, no muss, no fuss. Digital camera, never a problem. Recording video, seemless. I have a computer science degree, I just can't tolerate poor design any longer. I want my home computers to work without constant intervention.

My folks just purchased a new HP machine, and I offerred to help them set it up and transfer their data over. It was ridiculously tedious getting everything running. Even trying to install a printer driver for their HP printer (yes, same manufacturer) crashed on a new machine. These type of things happen MUCH less frequently with Mac's, but yet, you're going to pay more for that user experience. To me, it's worth it. And I like having a stylish machine in my home that's not intrusive and noisy.

As for people pirating music with iPods... yes MP3 and digital downloads have made music pirating very easy, but this has been going on as long as recordable media has been around. I remember recording tracks off the radio (ugh!) in the 80's to cassette tapes.

The iPod lets me take a ton of music with me wherever I go. I frequently record my sets and listen to them in the car. It's much easier to do this with my iPod than burning CD's and having to carry them around, etc.

As for the Numark iPod mixer, it really is just a toy. Clearly it's not intended to be used by anyone serious about DJ'ing. What is NOT a toy is the Numark CDX-like player coming out soon that has a hard drive built-in. Nor is the new Pioneer DJ software that's being release that will likely interface with their next generation CDJ unit. Why fight the progress? You're vinyl isn't going anywhere, and it shouldn't. Embrace the technology available to you, you'll be ahead in the long run.

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
Well put.

Apple stuff is generally a joke. Overpriced consumer junk packaged into pretty plastic.

Just to give you an idea of how unoriginal the "new" ipod mini is..



In 1954, regency released the world's first pocket transistor radio. It was called the TR1. pictured above is the iPod mini and the regency TR1. 51 years, but little has changed. only difference is the iPod supports music piracy, not the artists.

I'd be more tha happy to go back to the good ole days of warm tube-generated AM radio signals with nothing but vinyl and a mic driving a tube transmitter that could heat a siberian shack with no insulation all winter long.

technology has turned into such gheyness!

meanwhile, i'm going to go put the needle down on my favorite piece of 1970s technology.


Posted by s3nate on Nov-29-2005 23:47:

I still dont like ipods or macs.


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Nov-30-2005 00:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
I hope this is a joke... (actually after re-reading it I'm pretty sure it IS sarcastic, but I'll rant anyway)


I was dead serious.

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
You are saying that because the iPod is the same size as an FM radio that it's equivalent in usefulness?


No. I'd rather own a TR1 than an iPod.

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
I've had an iPod for over two years now (and haven't had a single problem with it). I used several other MP3 players prior to the iPod, and they were all so much more difficult to operate and populate with music. I'm no idiot, try driving and changing tracks on some of the current non-iPod MP3 players and you'll crash your car. The createive nomad required you to press buttons on both sides of the unit to navigate the tracks.


I guess you havnt shopped for a good headunit recently... you'd be supprised the variety of real car audio solutions there are. most of them cost less than all the iPod jazz.

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
My folks just purchased a new HP machine, and I offerred to help them set it up and transfer their data over. It was ridiculously tedious getting everything running. Even trying to install a printer driver for their HP printer (yes, same manufacturer) crashed on a new machine. These type of things happen MUCH less frequently with Mac's, but yet, you're going to pay more for that user experience. To me, it's worth it. And I like having a stylish machine in my home that's not intrusive and noisy.


goes to show how useful a CS degree is...

as far as the sylish, quiet, unobtrusive machine.. try an asus pundit.

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
As for people pirating music with iPods... yes MP3 and digital downloads have made music pirating very easy, but this has been going on as long as recordable media has been around. I remember recording tracks off the radio (ugh!) in the 80's to cassette tapes.


maybe you just are not grasping the difference between recording a track to a tape and slanging MP3s over the net. also, most the stuff you recorded off the radio was the "radio mix" which is basically a promo.

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
As for the Numark iPod mixer, it really is just a toy.


numark = one big joke.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-30-2005 01:13:

Hehe, nobody is trying to convert you...

quote:
Originally posted by s3nate
I still dont like ipods or macs.


Posted by dj spunk on Nov-30-2005 01:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Nou.
Quoting the bible here...
"And then God said let there be stupidity, and down from the heavens came the iPod, and along with it every man women bore sweaters upon their chests and dark rimmed glasses upon their eyes and they all began to chant: I AM THE DJ"


Posted by ZeJayMan on Nov-30-2005 02:41:

The only thing i can really credit Apple with is Itunes, i hate windows media player and Itunes really was a bit of a saviour.As i was saying about Ipods being flimsy, my ipod's wheel just decided to commit suicide and fly off one day for no apparent reason and the price to fix it would have been more than to buy a new one, whioch i refuse to do because they're so overpriced...


Posted by T-Soma on Nov-30-2005 03:28:

I dont see why everyone has to go and buy ipods. Their are far better digital media players for better value. I cannot remember names but i remember shopping around i found great stuff from good brands aswell like creative and logic.
Macs are ok but we have them at school and they all have the one button mouse. Whos stupid idea was this!? To accept stylish looks over functionality. I hate those damn mouse, especialy when there is something under it and then u cant press the damn button.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-30-2005 12:20:

Everyone buys iPods because they are:
1. Stylish and "hip". As lame as that sounds, it's a big selling point for anything.
2. They are ridiculously easy to use. The other players such as the Creatives have more features, but when I've looked at them they are always a BITCH to use. And the iPod comes with iTunes, it's a whole system. Getting tracks onto the other players is tedious (aka, my dad wouldn't be able to figure it out).

As for Mac's and 1-button mice... umm, get a two button mouse? Or a five button mouse? Mac OS has supported multi button mice for like 10 years. And now they even sell one (the mighty mouse).

Although YOU may not be confused by two mouse buttons, try sitting an older person not familiar with PC's at a computer and watch how often they hit the wrong one. This is pretty much going away as computer literacy increases, however.

If all you can credit apple with is iTunes, you probably haven't spent a lot of time with OS X. It's a brilliant operating system.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy
I dont see why everyone has to go and buy ipods. Their are far better digital media players for better value. I cannot remember names but i remember shopping around i found great stuff from good brands aswell like creative and logic.
Macs are ok but we have them at school and they all have the one button mouse. Whos stupid idea was this!? To accept stylish looks over functionality. I hate those damn mouse, especialy when there is something under it and then u cant press the damn button.


Posted by T-Soma on Nov-30-2005 13:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
As for Mac's and 1-button mice... umm, get a two button mouse? Or a five button mouse? Mac OS has supported multi button mice for like 10 years. And now they even sell one (the mighty mouse).


This rant was more aimed at my school then Mac. They only have the one button mouses!


Posted by Liam on Nov-30-2005 18:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Although YOU may not be confused by two mouse buttons, try sitting an older person not familiar with PC's at a computer and watch how often they hit the wrong one. This is pretty much going away as computer literacy increases, however.


This is soooo true.

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
If all you can credit apple with is iTunes, you probably haven't spent a lot of time with OS X. It's a brilliant operating system.


I personally hate iTunes.. but I guess that's a matter of preference. And we can't give Apple all the credit for OS X, it is based on Unix afterall.

My 1st gen iPOD mini was the first mac product I ever purchased, and will probably be my last. At first I was perfectly happy with the mp3 player, it met all my expectations. But after around 5 months of regular use, I get just over 2 hours of life on a full charge. Now I have to pay money, ship my iPOD off to Apple, and wait for a replacement to be shipped back to me. Pretty weak... no more mac for me.


Posted by ZeJayMan on Nov-30-2005 22:00:

Sorry, i really should have said from my experience, all i can credit apple with is Itunes, i personally haven't used any Apple operating systems apart from Clarisworks, that scarred me for life...


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-30-2005 22:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Liam
And we can't give Apple all the credit for OS X, it is based on Unix
afterall.


Well yes and no Sure the underpinnings are Unix, but what makes it great are the user interface and development environment. Where OS X originated from was a company called NeXT, which developed high end Unix workstations in the early-mid 90's running an OS called NeXT step.

That company was founded by noneother than Steve Jobs after he left Apple. Once he rejoined Apple computer he purchased NeXT and voila, you have OS X. OS X has a lot of elements of the original Mac OS rolled into it. The original Mac OS was really inspried (ripped off) from Xerox in the early 80's.

Microsoft copied everything from everyone else

quote:
My 1st gen iPOD mini was the first mac product I ever purchased, and will probably be my last. At first I was perfectly happy with the mp3 player, it met all my expectations. But after around 5 months of regular use, I get just over 2 hours of life on a full charge. Now I have to pay money, ship my iPOD off to Apple, and wait for a replacement to be shipped back to me. Pretty weak... no more mac for me.


The non-replaceable battery thing is pretty lame... You can order a new battery with directions on how to replace it on the net, however. It's actually really easy, you just need to know how to pry the case apart. I replaced a friends for like $18 (his lasted for a couple years, at least). Since you probably have no warranty on it anymore it might be worth it. I used this place called www.batteryship.com.


Posted by tdurden on Dec-01-2005 04:25:

I don't know about this crap. To me, there's something magical, for lack of another word, about a DJ getting on the decks and putting his craft to work. I guess I'm "old school", but I prefer it over the passing fads. I tried CD's and didn't feel like I had the control that I do with vinyl. Damned if I'm going to jump on the iPod wagon!

And that's the name of *that* tune!


Posted by Ryan0751 on Dec-01-2005 11:22:

Except digital technology isn't a "fad". Whether the tracks come on a PC running traktor/FS/SSL, on an iPod, or on a CD isn't the point. The control interfaces are getting better and better, soon there will be a number of Pioneer CDJ-1000-like digital players with moving platters, PC connections, etc. And they will be highly accurate and feature laden.

I say bring it on... as much as I love my vinyl I wouldn't have even a smidget of the tracks I do have using beatport along with it.

quote:
Originally posted by tdurden
I don't know about this crap. To me, there's something magical, for lack of another word, about a DJ getting on the decks and putting his craft to work. I guess I'm "old school", but I prefer it over the passing fads. I tried CD's and didn't feel like I had the control that I do with vinyl. Damned if I'm going to jump on the iPod wagon!

And that's the name of *that* tune!


Posted by Liam on Dec-01-2005 20:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
The original Mac OS was really inspried (ripped off) from Xerox in the early 80's.

Microsoft copied everything from everyone else


Yeah that was classic.. sucks to be Xerox lol.

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
The non-replaceable battery thing is pretty lame... You can order a new battery with directions on how to replace it on the net, however. It's actually really easy, you just need to know how to pry the case apart. I replaced a friends for like $18 (his lasted for a couple years, at least). Since you probably have no warranty on it anymore it might be worth it. I used this place called www.batteryship.com.


I've thought about replacing it myself, I'm just worried about seperating the metal shell from the white plastic. I'm worried that I'll scuff up the edges. How's your friend's battery life now? I'm also concerned that if I get the battery replaced by Mac, that the problem will return.


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