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so the 1000nd execution is suppose to happen this week in the United States, and im just disgusted. how can a government that is so connected to christianity, or use gods teachings as part of their platforms is so pro what is one of the major sins?! government controlled and funded execution just screams hitler for me.

Don't exectly see "Hitler" anywhere. This is an old habbit from centuries ago, I guess tied in with the violence in the colonial and early-American periods, this kind of punishment was appropriate.

I don't see what the issue is. If you take someone's life, or multiple lives for that matter, why should you still have a right to live?

The only bad thing about the death penalty is that if you find out the guy was innocent later you can't bring him back to life.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I don't see what the issue is. If you take someone's life, or multiple lives for that matter, why should you still have a right to live?

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Originally posted by Arbiter The only bad thing about the death penalty is that if you find out the guy was innocent later you can't bring him back to life.

I agree with both of those, hence the dilemma.

EDIT: @ Arbiter: Who's that dude in your avatar?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: @ Arbiter: Who's that dude in your avatar?

That's Naoya Ogawa, japanese olympic judoka, mixed-martial arts phenomenon, and puroresu extraordinaire.

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Originally posted by Arbiter That's Naoya Ogawa, japanese olympic judoka, mixed-martial arts phenomenon, and puroresu extraordinaire.

That's very interesting. I used to do Wu-shu and then moved on to real martial arts (like other forms of Kung-Fu, mostly southern styles, and a little bit of Wing-chun). From what you said it sounds like a grappling art. Do you know of any link to videos or demonstration that I could check out? Do you practice any martial arts form by any chance?

What i find most interesting is that there are people who are for the death penalty and against abortion

I'm against Capital Punishment... but it's not Hitler-esque at all.

The arguments for both sides are both stable, but I think it goes down to morals, and I just don't like the idea of killing people as a punishment.

For fucks sake don't bring Hitler into any argument unless it's directly applicable or is a relevant analogy.


As for this argument, I'm-pro capital punishment but the death penalty system in the US is simply absurd, rediculous, and horribly flawed. Ever since the moratorium on the death penalty ended in the 70's some 1000 people have been executed. In that same time period, 122 people on death row have been vindicated of the crimes they have been convicted of through DNA and other advanced evidence and have been released. How can these be acceptable odds for capital punishment when both the inherent societal concept of morality and the bible (teehee yes the bible ) are against murder?

Well, I've stated my agruement before, but I'm for the death penalty and against abortion. For me it's all about choice (as ironic as that sounds).

You have the choice to take someone's life. If you willingly decide to remove another's right to life, then you forfeit your own.

However, the fetus ("baby", "it", whatever) doesn't get that ability to make a choice one way or the other, but I am compelled to believe that given the choice, no one would "choose" to be aborted. You can argue all day about what makes a "human," but the fetus is a living thing and at least has the potential to be human regardless of your definition. That potential to be human coupled with its status as a living thing merits its right to life.

If you could somehow use a time machine to go ahead 18 years and ask the fetus if it would mind if it were aborted 18 years prior and it said "yes," then pull the plug. However, I find it hard to believe even a small percentage of those asked would ever say "yes."

That being said, I have no problem with abortion when the mother's life is in danger.

Also, I believe that the death penalty should only be used in the worst of crimes and when there is uncontestable, compelling evidence.

although I am pro-abortion ("pro-choice" in PC talk) there is no moral irrelevancy in being pro-death penalty and anti-abortion ("pro-life).

Neophone has explained that reasoning above, but a quick summary is:
One is murder the other is murdering the murderer.

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Originally posted by Arbiter The only bad thing about the death penalty is that if you find out the guy was innocent later you can't bring him back to life.

Well yes, and with the stats occrider showed that is simply unacceptable and should not under any circumstances whatsoever be tolerated.

I'm strongly against death penelty for that reason, we can never know if they really are guilty or not. And besides, it's not like its cheaper to execute them than to put them for life in prison, so why not keep them alieve?

comp screwed....

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Originally posted by Lepanto Don't exectly see "Hitler" anywhere. This is an old habbit from centuries ago, I guess tied in with the violence in the colonial and early-American periods, this kind of punishment was appropriate.

Habits are made to change. The death penalty has been deleted in the majority of European countries in the 20th century. Things can change.

I also genearlly agree with Neo Phono. However, I would be reluctant to use the death penalty unless the case is really 100% certain. Anything less than that is risking a murder of innocent people.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I also genearlly agree with Neo Phono. However, I would be reluctant to use the death penalty unless the case is really 100% certain. Anything less than that is risking a murder of innocent people.

I think using the death penalty poorly (as has been done in the US) is equally as bad as forbidding its use at all (as has been done in the EU).

The death penatly has its purpose, and is an important component of justice when used properly.

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Originally posted by Yoepus I think using the death penalty poorly (as has been done in the US) is equally as bad as forbidding its use at all (as has been done in the EU). The death penatly has its purpose, and is an important component of justice when used properly.

How can you ever know it was truly was used 'properly'? What consititutes 'proper' changes from year to year & from place to place.

I was speaking to a Singaporean guy about this very thing about 2 years ago and he said that over there, they never go to such advanced methods that the US does sometimes with DNA and forensics, that would take years to find out if someone should be exonerated due to insane financial costs, when just killing the person costs less. That's extremely cruel in my book, but if that's how SG & the people of SG's mentality is, I don't think much can change yet. :-(

I personally are against the death penalty no matter how much evidence may point to a person commiting a crime, there's always a small degree of doubt. If you kill the person and it turns out, say, 10 years later, that they really didn't commit the crime, how does that look for the society? It would show that we endorse killing people, which I bet isn't what people want to see the society they live in as...

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I also genearlly agree with Neo Phono. However, I would be reluctant to use the death penalty unless the case is really 100% certain. Anything less than that is risking a murder of innocent people.

Yes, and it is very rare (if at all) that you can ever be 100 % certain.

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Originally posted by Goashem so the 1000nd execution is suppose to happen this week in the United States, and im just disgusted. how can a government that is so connected to christianity, or use gods teachings as part of their platforms is so pro what is one of the major sins?! government controlled and funded execution just screams hitler for me.

So what do you think are some alternatives to punishing murderers?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Well yes, and with the stats occrider showed that is simply unacceptable and should not under any circumstances whatsoever be tolerated. I'm strongly against death penelty for that reason, we can never know if they really are guilty or not. And besides, it's not like its cheaper to execute them than to put them for life in prison, so why not keep them alieve?

122/1000 is 12.2 %. That's a high number for people exonerated from death row. It's very scarey as well.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 So what do you think are some alternatives to punishing murderers?

Life in a maximum-security prison. How does the EU take care of these people?

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Originally posted by Arbiter The only bad thing about the death penalty is that if you find out the guy was innocent later you can't bring him back to life.

That's the biggest reason people who are against it, are against it.

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Originally posted by d-miurge Habits are made to change. The death penalty has been deleted in the majority of European countries in the 20th century. Things can change.

why are you replying to what i've said? especially since i haven't said that it's not going to change or it should change. i simply showed the reason why it was around and where, in part, it came from.

i do agree that times should change, however things like 10 consequetive life sentences are just as pointless.

Is not the death penalty meant to be a deterrent to stop ppl commiting certain types of crime?
Works well doesn't it

If the penalty worked as it should then i would be for it, my heart aches every time i hear of a child or woman being murdered and or raped / molested and i think those type of crimes should be punishable by severe means but the death penalty system does not work.

Its even worse in other countries outside of the USA, take Iran for example who are quite happy to publicly hang two young men for the 'crime' of being gay.

What the USA needs to do is ban the public owning guns and maybe thier crime rate would fall somewhat and many more innocents need not lose thier pride, dignity or thier lives.

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