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Dim Mak? or Kyusho Jitsu?

no I'm not dissing off Apple comuters...

Just wondering if anyone here has studied any Dim Mak or Kyusho-jitsu?

Or know anyone that has.
I know of three people but they aren't telling me shit. One of them is close to giving into my complaining, I'll work on him and get the secrets out.
I don't even nessesarliy have to learn the techniques, I just want to learn how to defend against them (if possible) if they ever come up. (not likely since its an ancient martial art thats about 100X more secretive than ninjitsu) Just learning even the ground theory would be useful. Even the internet won't help me.
If you do know something and don't want to post it (understandably) then please PM me.

I've studied Dim Sum before. Pretty rad.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 I've studied Dim Sum before. Pretty rad.

doesn't help me much. lol.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Pretty rad.

k-rad!

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Originally posted by nusty no I'm not dissing off Apple comuters... Just wondering if anyone here has studied any Dim Mak or Kyusho-jitsu? Or know anyone that has. I know of three people but they aren't telling me shit. One of them is close to giving into my complaining, I'll work on him and get the secrets out. I don't even nessesarliy have to learn the techniques, I just want to learn how to defend against them (if possible) if they ever come up. (not likely since its an ancient martial art thats about 100X more secretive than ninjitsu) Just learning even the ground theory would be useful. Even the internet won't help me. If you do know something and don't want to post it (understandably) then please PM me.

Man, I think you should stick to banging out shit on your PA box.

Seriously, what style of asskick-fu do you take?

-ET, the TKD kid because most Korean boys took that some point in their life

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Originally posted by EvilTree Man, I think you should stick to banging out shit on your PA box. Seriously, what style of asskick-fu do you take? -ET, the TKD kid because most Korean boys took that some point in their life

I'm on Team Canada Karate (I train in Chitro and shadowkan styles)
I also train extensivly in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Japanese Jiu-Jitsu.
Besides that I've trained for a bit in everything that's available to me on the Japanese side of martial arts but besides a little bit of TKD I've never trained in Korean or Chinese Martial Arts.

or yeah I also have 5 years now of Bo-Jitsu

Dude, you're covered. Karate for long range, Jujitsu for clinch and BJJ for ground. So whatever situation you're in, you'll most likely be able to deal with it. (Providing it's a straight one on one fight)

None of these 'secret' art can't stand a direct blow to the nuts anyways. (Not that I've seen)

-ET, who is still very contemptuous of any karate kid

Dim Mak is death touch pressure points. My short range BJJ or Japanese jiu-jitsu game won't work against it. pressure points, while used a bit in jiu-jitsu are not covered to the same extent and are no where near as dnagerous. Sure I can deal with defending your average rear choke, kimura or artiry sqeeze but I'm not dumb enough to think I know everything. Dim Mak is one of those areas I know and recognize as a weak spot. I cross train in everything to extent that I do because I want my all of my bases covered. Death Touch is just that next step I want to learn for defense.
Ideally I'd like to switch to Mauy Tai for my stand up game, I think it would be a bit more stratigic than karate but apparently I'm alright at Karate after 11 years and things are going well there. I also like the traditional and respectfulness aspects that Karate provide grounding in. I also don't have the time to pick up another disipline just right now.

^If I read you correctly, you're at the point where Muy Thai wouldn't add much to your game. Only spot where Muy Thai will add is with knees in clinch situation and that doesn't take much to learn. Not if your karate senseis aren't dumbasses and taught you how to punch and kick decently.

As for the death touch dudes, you really can't learn to defend against those things unless you know how to do it yourself. I'd suggest bringing a gun if you ever go toe to toe against one of these types.

guns just aren't cool enough for me.
yeah the mauy tai wouldn't add much but the elbows and knees in the clinch but it's enough to make a difference. Obviously we do them in Karate too but its not the same focus and I think there is always room to improve when you move into more focused arts.

btw: I got my answers on Dim Mak. So I'm set now.

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Originally posted by nusty guns just aren't cool enough for me. yeah the mauy tai wouldn't add much but the elbows and knees in the clinch but it's enough to make a difference. Obviously we do them in Karate too but its not the same focus and I think there is always room to improve when you move into more focused arts. btw: I got my answers on Dim Mak. So I'm set now.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Feel free to higher him as a bouncer or when you have an annoying boyfriend who needs a beating.

There is precedent for both of these. lol.

props to your training...
The funny thing is I have seen some black belts get their asses wooped by people with no training whatsoever.Granted martial arts do provide a huge advantage, but in a non tournament no rules setting anything can happen.Like Tree said 1 kick to the nuts and its bye bye.Muay Tai is the shit i would go for.I can remember a tournament (unfortunatly not the name) pitting top Muay Tai fighters against Karate experts.Muay Tai took it 6 to 1.


P.s. French people have a funny use for the word Karate.Apparantly it describes rubbing off some ball sweat and wiping it on your opponents nose(i shit you not....its too funny)Georges St Pierre and David L'Oiseaux Pwn all...thanks

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak props to your training... The funny thing is I have seen some black belts get their asses wooped by people with no training whatsoever.Granted martial arts do provide a huge advantage, but in a non tournament no rules setting anything can happen.Like Tree said 1 kick to the nuts and its bye bye.Muay Tai is the shit i would go for.I can remember a tournament (unfortunatly not the name) pitting top Muay Tai fighters against Karate experts.Muay Tai took it 6 to 1. P.s. French people have a funny use for the word Karate.Apparantly it describes rubbing off some ball sweat and wiping it on your opponents nose(i shit you not....its too funny)Georges St Pierre and David L'Oiseaux Pwn all...thanks

Yeah the montrealers are some of my favorite fighters too.
As for street fight senarios I've spent a lot of time practicing Vale Tudo for street rules senarios. (as ET mentioned the great kick to the balls tactic, another favorite is kicking the guys knee caps backawards through his legs)
I think the martial artists that get thier asses kicked are the ones that think thier martial art is the best. as soon as you have that kind of an attitude you stop learning what advances are being made around you. I fully understand there are some great brawlers out there and boxers with one punch knock out potential but that only means I have to be better prepared and more well rounded to be as best prepared as I can be should a situation arise. For the most part the guys training in traditional martial arts aren't going to be the ones in fights anyway. They know better than get themselves into those situations and have more dignity and self respect.
I compete for the personal challenge not for proving myself to anyone else.

^A lot of these 'traditional' martial artists also train for tournament type settings, so they are not mentally prepared for a street fight situation which does take a different mindset if you want to come out alive.

Most martial arts or fighting style provide the basics to use win a street fight or a brawl. It depends on whether you have the mentality to properly use your training to win. In self defence, there are no rules except your own survival, because you don't know whether the other guy has intention to kill you. *shrug*

you guys are totally right...but never forget that there is one thing that cannot be taught...taking a punch on the button.You can only be taught to avoid it.All the training in the world cant stop your brain from going into the twilight zone(I have gotten my ass knocked out once and it wasnt my favorite experince.)Anyhow...MMA fans on TA makes my DAY.

Ps...Nate Quarry knows what its like to get hit on the button.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak you guys are totally right...but never forget that there is one thing that cannot be taught...taking a punch on the button.You can only be taught to avoid it.All the training in the world cant stop your brain from going into the twilight zone(I have gotten my ass knocked out once and it wasnt my favorite experince.)Anyhow...MMA fans on TA makes my DAY. Ps...Nate Quarry knows what its like to get hit on the button.

I wear armour around my groin area whenever I head towards seedier areas of the city. (Nah I don't)

I seriously think nature made getting hit in the nuts a control device for women.

PS: Stephen Bonnar vs Forest Griffin ftw!

Bonner vs Griffin was good....the UFC has applied with the Quebec Boxing Comission for a liscense....Matt Hughes vs St-Pierre in Montreal will be better....mark my words this will happen soon...

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak Ps...Nate Quarry knows what its like to get hit on the button.

2 minutes of round one KO. so much for calling franklin out on a weak chin! lol.
I honestly had higher hopes for that fight.

In general the ufc can lick my balls. I'd take Pride FC almost anyday. there are some good fights on ufc but for the most part the rules in North America have seriously hindered what it means to be a fighter. There is a reason the best fighters in Canada are coming out of Quebec, they have the best legistation in place for MMA.
The ufc has been whoring itself to sponsers... I'm happy the money is coming in with the new appriciation for the sport, but they look pretty gay constantly plugging xcience and right gaurd every zoom in chance they get.

i agree but the UFC is the best shot at mainstream acceptance.Mainstream=more fights and the fans win...I liked Pride back in the day when Don Frye made the jump.Another reason Quebec has great fighters...superior training schools.Pat Miletich(sic)sends his guys here on a regular basis...They are taught all around skills...not just to be grapplers...ground and pounders...strikers...ect. I so want to learn how to deliver those cutting elbows that Loiseaux drops.Man talk about ending a fight quick.
Corporate sponsers = fights on TV instead of PPV...i'll take that.

lets not forget TO's own Ivan Salaverry (god i cant spell their names.)
He is so amazing all around.He is the only guy i have seen make someone submit with a back triangle crank.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Most martial arts or fighting style provide the basics to use win a street fight or a brawl. It depends on whether you have the mentality to properly use your training to win. In self defence, there are no rules except your own survival, because you don't know whether the other guy has intention to kill you. *shrug*

One of the things I love most about trainning in BJJ is that it teaches you to be able to relax and think under stressful situations while fighting. 'If'I can get someone into a grappling position I can then take my time to breath and think of the next logical approach while keeping myself relatively safe. This is especially the case when going up against people with no grappling experience. Under most senario's I've encountered between two street fights and bouncing at a pretty rowdy bar for a year and a bit, being a fit 6'2" and 195 with significant grappling and MMA experience, there isn't much that I can't work through as long as it's bare knucle and no guns are involved (which I know isn't always a given). Knifes while I would always try to avoid all together, I do know the strategic places where I can take a cut if need be to then get closer to remove the blade. obviously its next to impossible to train properly for knife situations but given what we can do I feel about as ready as I could be.
I used to have this awesome training partner two years ago who would be more than willing to go punch for punch with me and we would put in extra hours at Laurier on the mats as the Canadian open got closer. We used to get the best looks as we would go from stand up striking to grappling and beating the sh*t out of each other. It still brings a smile to my face. You know you're sick when getting beaten to a pulp brings a smile to your face. Explaining the brusing on my neck to my GF was always fun too.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak lets not forget TO's own Ivan Salaverry (god i cant spell their names.) He is so amazing all around.He is the only guy i have seen make someone submit with a back triangle crank.

He is also the only guy I've ever seen smile so much after getting punched and the jump for joy filled with Glee after winning!
He's actually my number 1 favorite just because of his attitude... not to mention he's damn good.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak those cutting elbows that Loiseaux drops.Man talk about ending a fight quick. Corporate sponsers = fights on TV instead of PPV...i'll take that.

Agreed.
and yeah that is the one upside of corporate whoring.

Funny how I can't do simple work, but I can talk MMA crap all night. lol.

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Originally posted by nusty One of the things I love most about trainning in BJJ is that it teaches you to be able to relax and think under stressful situations while fighting. 'If'I can get someone into a grappling position I can then take my time to breath and think of the next logical approach while keeping myself relatively safe. This is especially the case when going up against people with no grappling experience. Under most senario's I've encountered between two street fights and bouncing at a pretty rowdy bar for a year and a bit, being a fit 6'2" and 195 with significant grappling and MMA experience, there isn't much that I can't work through as long as it's bare knucle and no guns are involved (which I know isn't always a given).

You're lucky that you can afford to take a moment to think about your moves in a fight situation.
Me being 5'7" 135lbs soaking wet, I know that I'm pretty much screwed if I get taken down by a bigger, stronger guy. So for me, once the first punch or kick is thrown, a lot of it is muscle memory situation where I'd react or initiate depending on what the guy is doing, because I don't have the luxury to think about my moves.

Luckily I've never been in a real fight, only few times in a sparring

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Knifes while I would always try to avoid all together, I do know the strategic places where I can take a cut if need be to then get closer to remove the blade. obviously its next to impossible to train properly for knife situations but given what we can do I feel about as ready as I could be.

I'd run if I can if a weapon of any sort comes out, if possible.

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I used to have this awesome training partner two years ago who would be more than willing to go punch for punch with me and we would put in extra hours at Laurier on the mats as the Canadian open got closer. We used to get the best looks as we would go from stand up striking to grappling and beating the sh*t out of each other. It still brings a smile to my face. You know you're sick when getting beaten to a pulp brings a smile to your face. Explaining the brusing on my neck to my GF was always fun too.

You got problems, mate.

Wish I was still doing martial arts of some sort.

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