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Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-30-2005 20:54:

Is the end of Political Correctness near?

Never in my life have i seen so much outrage over holiday trees and seasons greetings as i have this year. I think the silent majority has finally had enough and is not afraid to speak out after years of being bullied into holiday sanitization.

I opened the newspaper the other day and i found a zellers ad. Not only did it say "merry christmas" but it talked about the joy of kids opening their presents from santa "on the day jesus christ was born".

i think i will be shopping at zellars this year. I will NOT be shopping at Eatons centre which is featuring a Holiday sale and a holiday tree.


Posted by Yohan on Nov-30-2005 20:57:

Well, Christmas hijacked some British pagan holiday. And commercialism hijackd Christmas.


Posted by VERTiG0 on Nov-30-2005 21:01:

Lowes in North Carolina where I've got family is selling "HOLIDAY TREES" as I'm informed by my one of my cousins.

I almost pissed myself laughing at that one.


HOLIDAY FUCKING TREES

Piss off, Lowes.


Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-30-2005 21:03:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
Lowes in North Carolina where I've got family is selling "HOLIDAY TREES" as I'm informed by my one of my cousins.

I almost pissed myself laughing at that one.


HOLIDAY FUCKING TREES

Piss off, Lowes.



Look no further than toronto city hall and eatons centre for our own "holiday trees"


Posted by Moral Hazard on Nov-30-2005 21:06:

quote:
Originally posted by EvilTree
Well, Christmas hijacked some British pagan holiday. And commercialism hijackd Christmas.


Roman actually.


Posted by Matt on Nov-30-2005 21:06:

It's all about Snowflake Day.


but seriously... there's more important things during the holidays than getting worked up over how stores are trying to advertise to everybody.


Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-30-2005 21:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Matt
It's all about Snowflake Day.


but seriously... there's more important things during the holidays than getting worked up over how stores are trying to advertise to everybody.


its a problem though because it has started to interfere with how kids at school and people in public are allowed to celebrate our traditions.

Its just not right.


Posted by Skipper on Nov-30-2005 21:26:

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARES

I echo what Matt said.


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Nov-30-2005 21:29:

No one can take my festivus pole




Posted by Irishaddict on Nov-30-2005 21:34:

Happy Festivus!

haha really who cares.

Now if some idiot comes into my house on Christmas morning and starts taking my damn CHRISTMAS tree, then I'll be upset.


Posted by AdReNaLiNa on Dec-01-2005 00:12:

Re: Is the end of Political Correctness near?

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Never in my life have i seen so much outrage over holiday trees and seasons greetings as i have this year. I think the silent majority has finally had enough and is not afraid to speak out after years of being bullied into holiday sanitization.

I opened the newspaper the other day and i found a zellers ad. Not only did it say "merry christmas" but it talked about the joy of kids opening their presents from santa "on the day jesus christ was born".

i think i will be shopping at zellars this year. I will NOT be shopping at Eatons centre which is featuring a Holiday sale and a holiday tree.


It looks like HBC is really trying to stand out from the pack and stand by tradition.. the theme for The Bay is the official store of Christmas


Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-01-2005 00:53:

Re: Re: Is the end of Political Correctness near?

quote:
Originally posted by AdReNaLiNa
It looks like HBC is really trying to stand out from the pack and stand by tradition.. the theme for The Bay is the official store of Christmas


Hopefully others will follow the lead.

Enough of the sanitization. This is Canada, not greyville. Multiculturalism is about celebration of all cultures, not hiding them under the rug.


Posted by Cosmic Fur on Dec-01-2005 00:55:

I agree with Jayx1 on this one. But then again, I never was politically correct.

Oh, and I care. This is Canada, we're primarily a Christian country. Our holidays center around December 25th, which, the last time I checked, was Christmas. So we celebrate Christmas. Not the holidays. Nobody celebrates the holidays. That doesn't even make sense. WTF are you celebrating exactly by celebrating the holidays?


Posted by LKD on Dec-01-2005 01:13:

who cares??

people that practice their faith or at least HAVE faith care

and its said that the population of following Christians in Canada is somewhere around 60-70% (cant remember where i read that stat but it was in the star last year)

the whole tree, presents etc etc all came from the celebration of Christmas so if u want to have a tree, give gifts, anything of the such, at least address the gesture the way it should be.


if u dont care, why even celebrate "the holiday season"???

summer is a holiday season...why dont we give gifts then???hmmmm im gonna put up a holiday tree and decorate it in july next year


Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-01-2005 03:46:

If companies want to sell me the idea of christmas and make money of it, they should at least have the guts to call it christmas.

Otherwise i wont shop there for christmas. its quite simple.


Posted by zoogla on Dec-01-2005 04:31:

What's Christmas?


Posted by Nikitha on Dec-01-2005 05:08:

this is retarded....simple as that....
why change it? i don't understand! its not like they are going to change the name of a Menorah or a Kinara to "holiday Candle holders"... Chirstmas is like the ONLY holiday around that time of year that uses a tree ( that i know of) so what the eff is the point of changing it!
"Oh hunny.. they changed the name of the Christmas tree to a Holiday tree!"
"oh dear thats wonderful! well i guess we can throw out our Menorah and put out a tree finally!"

sooo is Dec. 25th now going to be known as Holiday Day?

yeah effin right

Nikitha


Posted by Moral Hazard on Dec-01-2005 13:14:

Okay, I haven't read the thread so please excuse me if this is out of context.

My thinking on the matter......
Does anyone actually get offended by the use of the word Christmas? I have muslim, jewish, athiest and hindu friends that celebrate Christmas.... CHRISTMAS, not the holidays. Granted, none of them view it as a religious holiday but Christmas has taken on a whole host of secular traditions in addition to the religious ones. Most of my non-Christian or evern non-observant Christian friends view Christmas as a time to spend with their families and celebrate being with their families (much the same way as thanksgiving has changed from a celebration of the harvest to a time for families to be together). None of these people are offended by the word Christmas and most of them actually refer to the holiday as Christmas.

I believe that the concern is more of a perceived concern by those Christians or persons of Christian heritage that suffer from the pervaisive "white guilt" that seems to be the echo of the former "whiteman's burdon". Please let us all take care not to blame any other religious or non-religious interest group for this controversy other then the overly sensitive amongst us that constantly seek to change things based on the fear of offending rather then the actual incidence of an offence.


Posted by nadezhda on Dec-01-2005 13:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
I agree with Jayx1 on this one. But then again, I never was politically correct.


ditto. i am so sick of people tiptoeing around everyone else, trying not to say something that someone might find offensive.

i had to design our stupid christmas card for work, but it couldn't have anything to do with christmas on it. can i get a WTF? we celebrate christmas! it's a christmas card. everyone knows that! if someone sent me a happy hannukah card, i certainly wouldn't get offended by it, even though that's not what i celebrate. ffs, stop the madness!!!!


Posted by TO guy on Dec-01-2005 14:21:

http://www.toronto.ca/special_event...ristmastree.htm

at least the tree outside City Hall is a "Christmas" Tree again.


Posted by Skipper on Dec-01-2005 15:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
This is Canada, we're primarily a Christian country.


Do you have the stats on this?


Posted by Moral Hazard on Dec-01-2005 15:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
Do you have the stats on this?


http://www.demographia.com/db-canrelig.htm


83% Christian = 1.4% Eastern Orthodox = 84.4% have religious context for Christmas.
Numbers are based on the 1991 general census


Posted by Skipper on Dec-01-2005 15:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
http://www.demographia.com/db-canrelig.htm


83% Christian = 1.4% Eastern Orthodox = 84.4% have religious context for Christmas.
Numbers are based on the 1991 general census


1991? That was 14 years ago.
Between 1981 and 1991 there was a 7.5% decrease in the Christian population.
I would expect that rate of decrease to be even higher between 1991 and today.


Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-01-2005 16:14:

quote:
Originally posted by nadezhda
ditto. i am so sick of people tiptoeing around everyone else, trying not to say something that someone might find offensive.

i had to design our stupid christmas card for work, but it couldn't have anything to do with christmas on it. can i get a WTF? we celebrate christmas! it's a christmas card. everyone knows that! if someone sent me a happy hannukah card, i certainly wouldn't get offended by it, even though that's not what i celebrate. ffs, stop the madness!!!!

I would have told them that i wasnt designing it then. Then i would have invoked religion as the reason why i couldnt make a "holiday card"

Fight fire with fire.


Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-01-2005 16:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
1991? That was 14 years ago.
Between 1981 and 1991 there was a 7.5% decrease in the Christian population.
I would expect that rate of decrease to be even higher between 1991 and today.


If you are denying that canada is still a primarily christian country then you have your head in the sand.

Even still, we were founded with these traditions and it's highly offensive that some people think that just because they show up one day we have to cater to their every whim. If you dont like our traditions then dont come here.

I rememeber reading about some immigrants who refused to make an oath to the queen when getting citizenship because they viewed her as the former "opressor" of their country. And what did dumb ass canada do? We bent over backwards for them.

Excuse me but that is OUR tradition and YOU CHOSE to come here. Part of coming here is abiding by our tradition. Same goes for christmas.


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