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Posted by Bizz on Jan-05-2002 17:35:

trancEaddict Direct Connect Group

This thread is generated from the older thread "trancEaddict peer 2 peer software !" and is being reposted so it isn't lodged in the middle of a thread with a different subject.

quote:
Originally posted by Bizz, but modified
Well, I've set up a Direct Connect hub just to see how this idea fares... [For those unfamiliar with Direct Connect, it is a well-organized file-sharing program that allows a community to communicate and share anything, including music files, videos, programs, etc. in a private and controlled environment. For download and more details, go to http://www.neo-modus.com ]

It's password protected (i.e. you'll need a username/password), and for security and privacy purposes, the IP address of the hub will only be revealed to valid applicants.

If you're a Direct Connect user and would like to apply to this TA Hub:
Send me a PM with the following info:
- Your desired username [Edit: Ensure that this username matches the one you use for DC. This can be found under "Settings" in the DC client program]
- Your desired password

To apply:
- You must be a member of this forum [Edit: Application approval will be subjective as to whether you are an "appropriate" member.]

I'll respond within a day or two to confirm account creation and I will supply the IP address (which shouldn't be shared with anyone else).

Remember, this is just a test to see how this goes, not an official thing (i.e. don't get excited, lol, this idea could fail badly)

Final note: a good thing to note about DC hubs is that they can be somewhat interlinked with other servers (e.g. there can be more than one hub and file searches can be made across these hubs). Point being that anyone is invited to host a hub in sync with the one I'm hosting.

Anyway, I volunteered just to give this idea a shot. If anyone with a dedicated server wants to take over, be my guest

Posted by SmellsExcellent on Jan-05-2002 18:11:

With the help of everyone on TA with fast (or slow) connections we can make this the best thing ever! Get all the rare remixes and vinyl rips you could ever dream of!!!

-Marc

Posted by DJ Sarah H on Jan-05-2002 18:39:

Hmmmm, i dont think it would work too well . . .

A: there are already loads of ways to share MP3, eg: Audio Galaxy, my play lockers, direct downloads, IRC etc.

B: Avoid leechers ? How ? by saying u got to have 10 posts and be registared b4 a certain date ?
U would only get ppl moaning about the registration date thing when they join after that date
And no matter what post limit u set, you would have ppl Spam posting useless crap to get to the required post level.

C: The few ppl that have the rarer tracks or most popular tracks would be leeched dry, with the Mass of PPL downloading from the few, it will soon end up that those with the tracks simply wont be a part of the network cos they dont want loads of ppl constantly downloading from them
You will just have a network of leechers.

D: You will need more than one Hub for this to work cos i am sure you would not want your PC and your connection online all the time to run this.

E: You wont be able to associate with tranceaddict.com cos if ppl share albums that will bring attention to this site and Swamper sure does not want that to happen.

Posted by fate on Jan-05-2002 18:57:

cool idea mate
you got pm
i never used dc before because i never found hub adresses were i could connect
c-ya

Posted by SmellsExcellent on Jan-05-2002 19:08:

wow, neo, youre a negative nancy...

A: AG, MyPlay, DD, and IRC are WAAAAY less efficient and WAAAAAY harder to use.

B&C: Leechers = no prob, people will eventually be able to share SOMETHING.. and I dont care if people download from me, no skin off my back. As far as the "leeched dry" part, you can set how many uploads at once and if youre on cable/dsl, upstream has no effect on downstream. Furthermore, once more people get the rarer, most popular, newest, ets. trancks then there will be more sources to d/l from.

D: Running a hub is not a big deal and many people dont mind leaving their computers on nonstop, i do it..

E: We're not associating it with trancEaddict. Its just for people who are ON the forums, its not called trancEaddict hub or anything.

I'm just refuting your arguments because I think its a rather good idea and has the potential to be a really good place to get music. I have nothing against you, I just want people to think differently about this that you do.

Posted by Bizz on Jan-05-2002 19:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Wicked Neo

Hmmmm, i dont think it would work too well . . .

A: there are already loads of ways to share MP3, eg: Audio Galaxy, my play lockers, direct downloads, IRC etc.

B: Avoid leechers ? How ? by saying u got to have 10 posts and be registared b4 a certain date ?
U would only get ppl moaning about the registration date thing when they join after that date
And no matter what post limit u set, you would have ppl Spam posting useless crap to get to the required post level.

C: The few ppl that have the rarer tracks or most popular tracks would be leeched dry, with the Mass of PPL downloading from the few, it will soon end up that those with the tracks simply wont be a part of the network cos they dont want loads of ppl constantly downloading from them
You will just have a network of leechers.

D: You will need more than one Hub for this to work cos i am sure you would not want your PC and your connection online all the time to run this.

E: You wont be able to associate with tranceaddict.com cos if ppl share albums that will bring attention to this site and Swamper sure does not want that to happen.

I know, I know I admitted to this point in my original post, saying that this might fail [badly]. But shedding light on a different perspective:

A: People were raising the notion of a having a more closely knit community than the AG groups, allowing people to chat, share directories (in a more organized fashion than AG), and the existing DC users out there know that a private DC hub can be very effective in this area.

B: Just following what I thought was a good example from the AG group membership requirements, but I definitely get your point. I don't think anyone wants people to come and sign up and start spilling out unwanted posts in order to get in on the fun For now, until a better idea arises, people must be a member before January 3, 2002 (which was when the idea sprung) in order to apply.

C: It's a private community, so people will only join if they are willing to join, as a result they must understand that they will be sharing their files with other members (perhaps raising the minimum sharing requirement is a good idea).

D: lol, yes, more hubs or a faster dedicated server is needed. But essentially, the hub does very little work (as it was designed) because all transfers and PM are done p2p. The hub handles the userlist and group chat, but can be a severe problem if there are hundreds of users.

E: Public exposure has been avoided as much as possible already. This includes an anonymous Hub name (which has username/password protection). Also, the IP of the Hub is supposed to be kept secret. The only problem is that this thread on this website can be viewed by anyone, which makes it associable with the DC Hub.

This is pretty much an experiment, and if it fails (and if Swamper, or yourself, or anyone finds it a very, very bad idea), naturally it will be discontinued. I volunteered only because people were venturing the idea for a DC Hub, and I hosted one to make people happy -- I don't want to make anyone unhappy that's for sure

Posted by DJ Sarah H on Jan-05-2002 19:37:

By all means give it a go, after all it is you who will be adminstering it and taking the responsibility for it, NOT Swamper or tranceaddict.com

I am not being " a negative nancy ", just pointing out all that is bad about it before u commit to the idea

Also we don't need loads of threads on TA itself moaning about your hub, requesting access to your hub etc.
That would indeed associate it with TA.COM

You would need to establish your own way of communicating with ppl on the hub, example set up a channel in IRC for it or over ICQ

Just out of interest, how will your search work ? will u host a database with the file names on it and who has them or does the peer to peer software contain a built in search function that scans user's shared directorys ?

So you are going to build in a minimum requirement in the share directory before a person can use your hub, such as a user must have 10 files shared before they can download ?
The problem with that is that the average leecher will just share crap no one wants so as to fulfill the minimum requirement
I have seen that happen plenty of times even with napster when it was running.

Oh one more note: The ppl that have replied to this thread so far seem only concerned with GETTING files

quote:
Originally posted by SmellsExcellent
With the help of everyone on TA with fast (or slow) connections we can make this the best thing ever! Get all the rare remixes and vinyl rips you could ever dream of!!!

and not with shareing of files . . .

Anyway good luck

Posted by Ron Thijssen on Jan-05-2002 19:48:

U got your PM

I hope this will grow big!

Posted by Bizz on Jan-05-2002 20:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Wicked Neo, Slightly Modified by Bizz: (I added the paragraph letters myself )

[A] By all means give it a go, after all it is you who will be adminstering it and taking the responsibility for it, NOT Swamper or tranceaddict.com

[B] I am not being " a negative nancy ", just pointing out all that is bad about it before u commit to the idea

[C] Also we don't need loads of threads on TA itself moaning about your hub, requesting access to your hub etc.
That would indeed associate it with TA.COM

[D] You would need to establish your own way of communicating with ppl on the hub, example set up a channel in IRC for it or over ICQ

[E] Just out of interest, how will your search work ? will u host a database with the file names on it and who has them or does the peer to peer software contain a built in search function that scans user's shared directorys ?

[F] So you are going to build in a minimum requirement in the share directory before a person can use your hub, such as a user must have 10 files shared before they can download ?
The problem with that is that the average leecher will just share crap no one wants so as to fulfill the minimum requirement
I have seen that happen plenty of times even with napster when it was running.

[G] Oh one more note: The ppl that have replied to this thread so far seem only concerned with GETTING files
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and not with shareing of files . . .

[H] Anyway good luck

Thanks for the post again; they're helpful

Again, from another perspective:

A: I have hosted a DC Hub as well as other server types which is why I volunteered, despite the commitment I have undertaken.

B: lol, pointing out all the possible flaws is, as I mentioned before, very helpful. The more problems that are identified now, the earlier they can be rectified, and ultimately, the feasibility of the idea can be determined.

C: No, a solitary thread with zero replies necessary is sufficient (i.e. an informative thread). All the signing up, complaints, questions, suggestions, etc. should be done privately under PMs, and for existing members, in the Hub chat area.

D: The DC Hub serves as the actual means of communication. It has RT chat, global announcement/messaging features, etc.

E: File searching is also integrated into DC. When a search is performed, it goes through the shared directories of the Hub members currently connected (and there is absolutely no way non-members can gain access to members' files or directories). All of the transfers in progress can be seen at the bottom of the DC client window, so the member has full control of what he/she wants to share. Simply, the "database" is dynamic and depends on the members that are currently connected to the Hub.

F: Yes. DC utilizes "scripts" that can aid in a fair transferring of files. For example, in order to connect to the Hub, a member must be sharing X GB of files. Or, another example, which a member may implement him/herself, is to only allow another member to download a file in exchange for one of their files.

G: I think there is a mixed response. There will inevitably be those that want to join just to get the files (and much is being done to prevent this), but there are definitely some that are willing to share their "100 GB" HDs of "well-organized" tunes. [Edit: DC isn't just for music files, absolutely anything can be shared (videos, e.g.)]

H: Thanks

Posted by SmellsExcellent on Jan-05-2002 20:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Wicked Neo

Also we don't need loads of threads on TA itself moaning about your hub, requesting access to your hub etc.
That would indeed associate it with TA.COM

You would need to establish your own way of communicating with ppl on the hub, example set up a channel in IRC for it or over ICQ

The joans that do that stuff can easily be ignored, posts can be deleted, whatever. If someone obviously is registered to get on the hub, their registration can be cancelled at your (and other moderators) discretion.

Bizz: you should request ICQ numbers as well so we have a list of all the people who are members of the hub to foster easier communication. That would be a really good way to trade and whatnot.

quote:
Originally posted by Wicked Neo
Just out of interest, how will your search work ? will u host a database with the file names on it and who has them or does the peer to peer software contain a built in search function that scans user's shared directorys ?

So you are going to build in a minimum requirement in the share directory before a person can use your hub, such as a user must have 10 files shared before they can download ?
The problem with that is that the average leecher will just share crap no one wants so as to fulfill the minimum requirement
I have seen that happen plenty of times even with napster when it was running.

Direct Connect is like napster in that it is a standalone program, but you can connect to all types of different hubs and navigate other users' files via an explorer-like window. The min shares are done by size, not number.

As far as the people who share junk, its bound to happen, but I'm pretty sure people with faster connections will be willing to share and leave DC open (it isnt a big commitment, memory or cpu usage) and since upstream flow has no effect on downstream flow on a cable/dsl line there wont be any interference with other downloads and available bandwith. Bizz and I tested the speed and it was around 30kb/s; we both have cable. That is about 5 minutes or less for an average size song.

Bizz: maybe a bot to scan and only allow MP3 shares to count would be useful.
...
Anyways, Neo, I misunderstood your post and I'm sorry for ripping back at ya, but I just want people to see the potential here, not dwell on the negatives that can easily be worked out. I guess thats my point. Oh, I was kidding about the negative nancy thing, OK.

Cheers,
Marc

Posted by davinox on Jan-05-2002 21:32:

I would love to be a part of this, but I'm having perfectly good filesharing on AG... I think if most TA's left their AG on and actually SHARED their files, we'd all have alot more files to share. I'm proud to share my files.

well anyway, if this doesn't work, I don't see why AG wouldn't work.

Posted by SmellsExcellent on Jan-06-2002 23:14:

im doin my best to leave DC on in that hub so people can see what this could be like. So go on, indulge yourself, go check it out and leech hella!

-Marc

Posted by Flec on Jan-07-2002 00:58:

hey, just wanted to say i think the DC thing is a great idea, it lets us share our tunes much quicker and we can even chat at the same time!

its alot quicker,funner and more efficient

for all of you guys that are worried about leechers. i dont think it will be a very big problem considering this is only for ta's that are known on the boards. everyone is friends and no one would want to piss anyone else off

besides we could make a leech rule like first time is a warning second time is ban

unles the other person let you leehc

etc.. etc...

Posted by Jah on Jan-07-2002 13:21:

yeah great idea i mad ea differant thread saying the same thing
sorry bit slow
but now that you guys already have a hub in place
(yay)
can i get in ?

EDIT : btw i was using this program which is why i had the idea and i have to say its a great one i dont see a negative point with it it will make sharing alot easier and restrict it to the private accounts of other TA's which would make me and im sure many other people more inclined to share all thier stuff as opposed to audiogalaxy where any old chump can leech my hdd silly, so on that note i think it is much better than using ag or kazza or whatever cause its like a personal server... for all of us and since we all have a fair bit of stuff im sure we can find whatever we need through the other tas another advantage is the program lets you share everything as well as mp3s so thats pretty cool and it would just mean we can all share our stuff in an easy and effecient way as opposed to audiogalaxy which is HUGE and everyone can have a go at it, this way we know its other ta's leeching and its cool cause its more personal and therefore (hopefully) everyone will share up... i really hope this takes off!

Posted by flystyler on Jan-07-2002 17:25:

Good luck to you, but neo is right, all the people who have the tracks wont share them, as they still want to use there connection, and not have their bandwith killed by leechers, but hopefully it will work. But Neo is right again, it wont be able to be associated with TA, coz of legal reasons

Posted by dOgMa55 on Jan-07-2002 17:39:

Well i personally love the idea and will be leaving DC running for those in the hub. We already got 63 gigs in their.

Posted by Bizz on Jan-07-2002 18:42:

quote:
Originally posted by flystyler
Good luck to you, but neo is right, all the people who have the tracks wont share them, as they still want to use there connection, and not have their bandwith killed by leechers, but hopefully it will work. But Neo is right again, it wont be able to be associated with TA, coz of legal reasons

Thanks for your support

But I just want to outline a few more points for clarification:

- Leeching is minimal: it is a private Hub, which means your files can only be accessed by members of that Hub (which are all trusted, regular TA members). Unlike AG, non-members of the Hub will not have access to these shared files (when you share files in AG, any AG user can access them and "kill" your u/l bandwidth, which by the way doesn't affect d/l bandwidth).

- A group of TA's wanted to undertake the DC idea (not all TA's), so it doesn't at all have to be associated with TA.com; instead, the DC group can be considered as a "group within a group". If Swamper doesn't like what's going on, then immediately this idea will be discontinued. If there are legal infringements, the problems will be resolved as quickly as possible. Note that the DC idea involves absolutely no public advertising of TA.com nor the Hub because everything is kept as private as possible. The closest thing to advertising is this thread.

This Direct Connect group is based on almost the exact same principles as the TA AG group, except Direct Connect can possibly provide a more private, fun, and organized setting for TA's. To put this thought in to perspective, if the AG group idea failed when it first began, then this idea will most likely fail too. Since the AG idea boomed, there is definite hope for a DC community to succeed too (But no doubt this idea may fail, I am not disagreeing with you)

Posted by Qtip_00 on Jan-14-2002 03:42:

I would like to sign up for this but I cant pm you Bizz.

Posted by Bizz on Jan-14-2002 06:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Qtip_00
I would like to sign up for this but I cant pm you Bizz.

Sorry about that, there was a problem with my account earlier...

Posted by tc-fan on Jan-14-2002 18:58:

hey alll hook me up please...i would look to share my mp3...please send me a email---
[email protected]

Posted by Bizz on Jan-14-2002 22:51:

quote:
Originally posted by trance[]control-fan
hey alll hook me up please...i would look to share my mp3...please send me a email---
[email protected]

I sent you a PM instead. Just wanted to stress that if you want to apply, just send me a PM with your DC username and a desired password. (Read the first post please )

Posted by SmellsExcellent on Jan-21-2002 19:44:

So far this has been going very well when people are in the hub. No one is stingy about sharing and people will generally stay on for you to download the songs you have queued up! Everyone keep signing up, this is a great thing.

Cheers,
Marc

Posted by Max2LC on Jan-22-2002 20:39:

DIRECT CONNECT = THE BEST FOR APPZ + GAMEZ.....

...BUT FOR MP3 IT BLOWS...MAYBE ON UR HUB THERE'S GOOD STUFF GOOD LUCK !

Posted by TwiloThunder on Feb-10-2002 07:11:

sounds interesting

you have a pm

Posted by davinox on Feb-10-2002 08:07:

I PM'ed ya!

being that i always share my collection on AG...perhaps I'll switch over to Direct Connect cuz I know tha people that are downloading off me are good ol' TAs.

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