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I've discovered from reading these forums for a little while, that the music I enjoy is known as 'cheese', which is disliked by probably everyone I've seen on these forums.

Why do people hate it so much?

I've made some threads here, and all I get are insults against the type of music I like. Just wondering if this is only evident on the TA forums, or in the electro scene as a whole.

Oooops, didnt see your sig

who cares

have your cheese and eat it too


listen to what you like

Most of edm listeners have the same opinion...

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Originally posted by XenatR I've discovered from reading these forums for a little while, that the music I enjoy is known as 'cheese', which is disliked by probably everyone I've seen on these forums. Why do people hate it so much? I've made some threads here, and all I get are insults against the type of music I like. Just wondering if this is only evident on the TA forums, or in the electro scene as a whole.

The first thing you'll want to do is stop referring to the "scene" as the "electro scene", as electro is an entirely different genre.

Secondly, the music you enjoy (going by what's in your sig, which is way too large btw) is probably among other things hated for its elements, such as embarrassing two-finger melodies on simple, crass and in your face-synths and/or ridiculous, overblown bassdrums that contrast sharply (and not in a good way) with silly bubblegum lyrics that are usually stolen from some 80s ballad.

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Originally posted by Grrrrr Name your top5 favourite tracks

i dunno.. i have so many, but probably (in no order):

Norman Bass - How do you like bass
East Clubbers - The real thing
Brooklyn Bounce - We are live!
Naksi Vs. Brunner - Rodina (D.O.N. Deejays Rmx)
De La Cruz feat. Taleesa - My Love Is A DJ

but honestly there are many in my collection i would say are on par with these.. check my sig

I might be completely wrong here, but I've listened to pretty much all of the "artists" you name on your signature, and their productions I would describe as "simpler" musically. Coming from a pretty deep musical background, there are just a lot of nuances and subtleties of good composition that I don't find in this style of music.

But the important thing is that you like it. Because you don't have to like it just because I and several others here don't find it as "sophisticated" things we listen to.

In fact, some of the music I listen to I have european friends telling me all the time that it is dead or somehow inferior to their music. It's all relative.

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Originally posted by nefardec I might be completely wrong here, but I've listened to pretty much all of the "artists" you name on your signature, and their productions I would describe as "simpler" musically. Coming from a pretty deep musical background, there are just a lot of nuances and subtleties of good composition that I don't find in this style of music.

yea for sure i can understand the music is 'simpler', but thats what i like.. it also gives me a 'rush', when i hear a nice tune over a great bass

but then again, sometimes the simple things are best ;p

i mean, i like stuff like dumonde or other artists, which could be classed as less simple, but even then people are saying they like dumondes older stuff better, as oppose to their songs

Angelic - Can't Keep Me Silent (JamX and De Leons Dumonde Mix)
Dumonde - Never look back

which i really love

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Originally posted by nefardec But the important thing is that you like it. Because you don't have to like it just because I and several others here don't find it as "sophisticated" things we listen to.

agreed, but it just gets to me when people say stuff like, "i think i'll be washing my ears out." or "is this a joke"

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Originally posted by XenatR Why do people hate it so much?

cause it's cheese?

Everyone likes at least some cheese, and those people who apparently don't need to shut up and keep their worthless opinions to themselves. Or at least accept that nobody else will ever have the exact same musical tastes as you, nor should they be expected to. Just enjoy what you enjoy.

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Originally posted by Fearless One cause it's cheese?

Thanks for your valuable contribution.

thx MaRt. i agree with you

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Originally posted by MaRt Everyone likes at least some cheese.

what do you mean by that...? stuff that is a bit cheese for some people, for you could be most underground and sophisticated thing you've ever heard

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Thanks for your valuable contribution.

your welcome

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Originally posted by Fearless One what do you mean by that...? stuff that is a bit cheese for some people, for you could be most underground and sophisticated thing you've ever heard

You're right - it's impossible to define cheese because it's a label which means different things to different people. But what I'm getting at is that since everybody enjoys at least something which others might consider cheese, it's daft to criticise people who enjoy music which you don't think is 'underground' or sophisticated enough.

I'm not attempting to discourage people from debating whether a certain track is good or bad. But more constructive criticism, above the level of 'this track sucks, it's cheese' really wouldn't go amiss.

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Originally posted by Fearless One what do you mean by that...? stuff that is a bit cheese for some people, for you could be most underground and sophisticated thing you've ever heard

Your logic fails me. Please elaborate.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Your logic fails me. Please elaborate.

try do it on your own...

I ran into a particularly vicous comment on a web page today:

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Thumping trance might be popular, or UK hard house, but it would be the equivalent of playing Britney Spears. Pay attention to the music and its intentions, which are often�at least to the untrained ear�admittedly difficult to decipher without lyrics. But it is easier done than supposed. If it sounds cheesy, it�s cheesy: it�s there to sell, it�s not there to stimulate your mind, it�s a capitalist musical product, an object sold with tits and young girls and DJs in limousines with their bitches. It�s a similar situation in hip-hop. I am struggling to think of an alternative to �conscious hip-hop,� which has caught on very well, become the voice of several struggles including First Nations and of course Black culture worldwide. The same can be said for Rave music, which, if it is intelligent, experimental and political, probably won�t be called rave music at all, but rather techno, jungle, hardcore, minimal techno, glitch, microsound, lowercase sound, IDM, ambient, etc.

Alot of people like music that represents som particular movement that the feel the are part of, and consider anything that isn't afiliated with some sort of movement or ideal as 'cheese'. People in search of intelligence and experimentalism tend to dislike tunes with alot of cliche elements in them and harass the kids who like that stuff.

One just has to learn to ignore it, plenty of those kids enjoy stupid things for strange reasons.

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Originally posted by XenatR I've discovered from reading these forums for a little while, that the music I enjoy is known as 'cheese', which is disliked by probably everyone I've seen on these forums. Why do people hate it so much? I've made some threads here, and all I get are insults against the type of music I like. Just wondering if this is only evident on the TA forums, or in the electro scene as a whole.

yes alot of those are cheese but whats the big deal? people who listen to Westlife knows its cheese but they like it anyway.
Why do people who listen to cheesy eurodance often feel ashamed?
they sometimes dont even want to mention that they listen to eurodance and instead say "trance" because it sounds much cooler and underground.

just listen to whatever you like and who gives a damn SHAJT if you like cheese or not.

I love ABBA more than any trance and I don't give a damn fuck what people think. ABBA > trance

People don't like "cheese" because they are conditioned from a young age to automatically dislike any music that is emotional/beautiful for fear of being seen as "gay" or "weird"... that's my take. People who don't give a shit about stereotypes like that will go on loving real music no matter what people think.

the problem in germany is that djs that produce and spin eurodance or handsup like Pulsedriver, Ziggy X or Klubbingman say by themselves that they spin trance.

and cds that are full of these music are named "trance ..." .


people over here who are not into edm always laugh at me when I'm saying that I listen to trance because they think that I listen to this cheap cheese music.

That's the reason why especially in germany the eurodance-hands-up-bashing is so popular...this cheap music has destroyed our trance-scene...

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Originally posted by XenatR i dunno.. i have so many, but probably (in no order): Norman Bass - How do you like bass East Clubbers - The real thing Brooklyn Bounce - We are live! Naksi Vs. Brunner - Rodina (D.O.N. Deejays Rmx) De La Cruz feat. Taleesa - My Love Is A DJ but honestly there are many in my collection i would say are on par with these.. check my sig

Well come on. They're unsubtle, simplistic and just damn obviously cheesy. However, a lot of people here will hate cheese because it's the Done Thing, when their tastes are still very under-nourished.

Cheesy music is great music as long as it's done right- because it's fun. The key to it is to explore further- pick up any dance record you hear rated just to expand your horizons. It's fine to like in-your-face party junk-food music, as long as you go beyond it.

the funny thing is, i usually really hate commercial music

in rap, i hate 50cent commercial trash, but i like 2pac

in metal, i hate nu metal, like korn, limp bizkit and slipknot, but love death metal, black metal, and not 'mainstreem' bands

but when it comes down to electronic music, i LOVE this commercial music like pulsedriver and east clubbers.. simple and effective in my view

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The greatest substance known to man,Worshipped by pagans, exploited by me!Everybody loves cheese

^ First thing that popped up on urbandictionary.com

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Originally posted by s3nate ^ First thing that popped up on urbandictionary.com

Xenatr did u ever attend an event or club where real trance was played by good djs?

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