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Trading bibles for porn in San Antonio

Got to say I love the idea!

Wish we could get the entire Middle East to trade up, shit, for that matter the entire world.


*** Taken from MSNBC.COM ***

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10349028/

A group of atheists at the University of Texas in San Antonio is trying to tempt college kids into trading their Bibles for pornography.

It's part of a program called Smut for Smut sponsored by the student organization called Atheist Agenda.

On Monday, MSNBC's Tucker Carlson welcomed the group's president, Thomas Jackson, to 'The Situation."

TUCKER CARLSON: Tell me why you're promising to give porn to people who bring in sacred texts, the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita, the Koran What's the idea?

THOMAS JACKSON: All right. Well, we have Bronze Aged tribal nonsense, these things written by people in tents ages ago, and we're using this to renounce science standards in our classrooms in America. We're using it to kind of influence our political agenda.

And we've read it. Atheists actually tend to be rather knowledgeable about scripture, and we are using this as a medium to get people to know what's actually within the religious text that they hold so dear.

CARLSON: Why porn, though? Why not just argue, you know, about what parts of the sacred text you find specious?

JACKSON: Well, first of all, you know, pornography gets a lot of negative press, and it's smut. A lot of it really is. And we wanted to make the comparison between that and the smut that is religious scripture or a lot of it, you know. The stuff that says a woman is worth half a man, the things that say, you know, you should beat children.

These things aren't acceptable in our society, and if pornography is not acceptable, then these things surely aren't. At the very least, what we're doing is trading something that's very, very bad for something that's only moderately bad.

CARLSON: OK. So it sounds to me like an attempt to create, a fracas on campus and get attention. What kind of attention have you gotten on campus?

JACKSON: Well, we've actually had a lot of open discussion. There has been a minor amount of outrage, but the outrage it's more of a First Amendment rights type of outrage. A lot of people don't really seem to understand that this is America, and we have freedom of speech here.

CARLSON: Oh, come on. Everybody understands that.

JACKSON: We have freedoms people can't even imagine.

CARLSON: Everybody knows this. This sounds like proselytizing. I thought atheists weren't supposed to be in the business of proselytizing.

JACKSON: Well, first of all, don't tell atheists what to do. We'll set our own agenda. Just kidding, just kidding.

But we were sitting at a table, and people came to us. We didn't knock door to door. We don't have a church on every corner in our country to push this on people. You know, we're just a bunch of college students down at UTSA. There's nothing more to it.

CARLSON: Have you picked up any girls doing this, honestly?

JACKSON: I pick up girls constantly.

CARLSON: Every college pursuit is to pick up girls. None?

JACKSON: Well, no, no. It's to become educated, but picking up girls is a nice thing to do on the side, and I haven't had too many problems there.

CARLSON: What texts-what kind of texts have you gotten, and what kind of porn are you handing out?

JACKSON: Well, we got quite a few Bibles. We got a couple copies of the Koran. Somebody brought in a Satanic Bible. I haven't gotten a chance to look at that. I'm not really sure what that is. It was a few religious texts. It was something-I can't remember.

We actually had quite a few different books brought in. ... What we were handing out, we had everything labeled from 0 to 5. Zero is like "Playboy," things that aren't really necessarily pornography. I mean, if you've ever read a "Playboy" ... you know, it's not really that hard core, so people got to decide what they wanted.

CARLSON: The bottom of this, on your web site, you have a statement: "We find that morality should not be derived from religious texts." What should morality be ... what should it be derived from?

JACKSON: Well, morality is not derived from religious texts. Religious texts actually contradict each other. If you read the Bible, it contradicts itself on nearly every page. And the fact that people can decide which one to go with shows that they are getting their morality from somewhere else.

Morality is actually based off of empathy, and failing empathy, it's based off of fear of reprisal from the law. That is where morality comes from.

CARLSON: Yes. But the law, it's a circular argument. You need to think through it a little bit more, Thomas, because the law itself is based on at least a notion of abstract right and wrong, and that is not rooted in empathy or any emotion, but ... you know, an abstract belief that this is right and this is wrong because someone larger, in control, says so.

JACKSON: Well, no, that's not true. It's based off of things that are good for society. If citizens murder each other, this is bad for society. And you see this across the board in many nations.

Several religions have stumbled upon this, but it's not the religious text that's bringing this to people. They are finding this on their own, and societies that don't find this don't survive.

CARLSON: Thomas Jackson, thanks a lot for joining us. I appreciate it. Don't agree with what you do, but I appreciate your explaining it.

JACKSON: No problem.

That's great

what a champ

brilliant

What a dick.

EDIT: Although I do agree with him on seperation of science and religion in class rooms.

Hahaha, what a genious

What a flagrantly obvious attempt to stir up trouble. Mr Jackson is clearly out for 15 minutes of fame and schadenfreude.

I agree the idea is humorous and I'm all for putting Bible thumpers in their place but there is no reason for this. It will only give them a reason to get upset, start a pointless debate that will be aired on every cable news channel and leave no one any better off than they were when it started.

This is exactly why the story was given time on Carlson's show.

pure genius, but this will never work in America Still, he's very intelligent and courageous, I applaud him.

To josh4: It's about time someone who is anti-Bible-thumpers went on the air. Because you wouldn't know there are any people like that in this country, based on the current media and politics in this country.

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Originally posted by josh4 What a flagrantly obvious attempt to stir up trouble. Mr Jackson is clearly out for 15 minutes of fame and schadenfreude. I agree the idea is humorous and I'm all for putting Bible thumpers in their place but there is no reason for this. It will only give them a reason to get upset, start a pointless debate that will be aired on every cable news channel and leave no one any better off than they were when it started. This is exactly why the story was given time on Carlson's show.

I hate bible thumpers so much that anything that pisses them off is good with me.

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Originally posted by josh4 What a flagrantly obvious attempt to stir up trouble. Mr Jackson is clearly out for 15 minutes of fame and schadenfreude. I agree the idea is humorous and I'm all for putting Bible thumpers in their place but there is no reason for this. It will only give them a reason to get upset, start a pointless debate that will be aired on every cable news channel and leave no one any better off than they were when it started. This is exactly why the story was given time on Carlson's show.

couldn't agree with you more.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd pure genius, but this will never work in America Still, he's very intelligent and courageous, I applaud him. To josh4: It's about time someone who is anti-Bible-thumpers went on the air. Because you wouldn't know there are any people like that in this country, based on the current media and politics in this country.

wrong. the media is far from being religious or giving two shits about it.

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Originally posted by josh4 What a flagrantly obvious attempt to stir up trouble. Mr Jackson is clearly out for 15 minutes of fame and schadenfreude. I agree the idea is humorous and I'm all for putting Bible thumpers in their place but there is no reason for this. It will only give them a reason to get upset, start a pointless debate that will be aired on every cable news channel and leave no one any better off than they were when it started. This is exactly why the story was given time on Carlson's show.

+1

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Originally posted by Lepanto wrong. the media is far from being religious or giving two shits about it.

For some reason there are multiple Christian TV stations, while there are no atheist stations. For some reason TV talk show hosts only interview bible-thumpers and conservatives, and they don't interview atheists (you'd think none exist). For some reason TV reporters cover a lot of church and religious events, but they don't ever mention atheist events.

Although the culture and the media in this country do not usually advance one particular religion or agenda, it is true that atheists as a group are vilified.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd For some reason there are multiple Christian TV stations, while there are no atheist stations. For some reason TV talk show hosts only interview bible-thumpers and conservatives, and they don't interview atheists (you'd think none exist). For some reason TV reporters cover a lot of church and religious events, but they don't ever mention atheist events. Although the culture and the media in this country do not usually advance one particular religion or agenda, it is true that atheists as a group are vilified.

lol what the hell is an atheist station? they cover tons of church and religious events in any media since it's a popular topic even for those who don't believe in religion. ie. the choir boy scandal, the death of the Pope who was a great peace man, etc. while atheist events at large are a bunch of idiots who just rant all day. i.e. the events in union square and washington square park here in NYC. they very often interview atheists though it's not like the guy is like " I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, BURN ORGANIZED RELIGION DOWN".

atheists are around the problem with them is that alot of times they are as dumb as this guy who think that their little stunt will get them any real recognition.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd For some reason there are multiple Christian TV stations, while there are no atheist stations. For some reason TV talk show hosts only interview bible-thumpers and conservatives, and they don't interview atheists (you'd think none exist). For some reason TV reporters cover a lot of church and religious events, but they don't ever mention atheist events. Although the culture and the media in this country do not usually advance one particular religion or agenda, it is true that atheists as a group are vilified.

Atheists have events? I wanna go!

Actually the very nature of atheistism does not exactly stress importance in promoting 'the message', because well there is no message. They tend to be people of a higher than average intelligence and it would be a waste of their time to try and 'deconvert' the converted. What good would it do? Anyway once you believe in something there isn't much anyone can do or say to change your mind.

The only time there is really a cause for an atheist to "do something" is when the thumpers try to force their beliefs onto others like removing evolution from the schools and/or adding intelligent design. Flying Spaghetti Monster notwithstanding...

I would love to see churches and synagouges and mosques burn. I love atheism.. its the best

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What a flagrantly obvious attempt to stir up trouble. Mr Jackson is clearly out for 15 minutes of fame and schadenfreude. I agree the idea is humorous and I'm all for putting Bible thumpers in their place but there is no reason for this. It will only give them a reason to get upset, start a pointless debate that will be aired on every cable news channel and leave no one any better off than they were when it started. This is exactly why the story was given time on Carlson's show.

Cannot agree more. Although I think the concept behind what they did is a good one, I think they went about it in the entirly wrong way. Perhaps if the Bibles were turned in for well known texts criticizing the contradicitions of the Bible/Koran/etc... or the circular logic of religion, but being turned in for porn could lead to the conception that athiests are immoral smut addicts.
Where is Jon Stewart when you need him?

christ

listen to you bunch of fvcking babies. its nothing more than a bunch of uni students having a laugh, standing up for what they believe in & thumbing their nose a bit at authority.

sex/porn IS the perfect choice coz in the states we all know how fvcking obsessed with sexuality you all are. i also love the fact that theyre getting bible-owning (tho not necessarily bible-reading) people to give up their faith book of choice in favour of tits and arse. i think thats hilarious.

the fact that religious groups might get upset at something as benign as this is exactly the reason to do it, and highlight their pathetic-ness.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN christ listen to you bunch of fvcking babies. its nothing more than a bunch of uni students having a laugh, standing up for what they believe in & thumbing their nose a bit at authority. sex/porn IS the perfect choice coz in the states we all know how fvcking obsessed with sexuality you all are. i also love the fact that theyre getting bible-owning (tho not necessarily bible-reading) people to give up their faith book of choice in favour of tits and arse. i think thats hilarious.

i also love how you know more about the states than us and the fact that atheists call themselves smart, seeing this, they are a bunch of potheaded morons

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Originally posted by Lepanto i also love how you know more about the states than us

please quote me where i said i knew more, cheers.

its not hard to learn about the nation that drowns most of the world in its popular culture smartarse. its also not hard to read the odd story on some of the antiquated sexual laws some states in the US havent altered. as of 2000 there were still states that outlaw oral sex.

yeah, youre not totally hung up on sex at all

we know a shitload more about the US than most US citizens know about any other country. youre currently the dominant force in the world. we (aus) get the news with jim lehrer ffs. could you point me to an australian current affairs show i could tune into on CBS?

anyway, my central thesis remains. its a fun joke and those that take it all too seriously are exactly the reason the joke should be played in the first place.

I totally love the guys

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN please quote me where i said i knew more, cheers. its not hard to learn about the nation that drowns most of the world in its popular culture smartarse. its also not hard to read the odd story on some of the antiquated sexual laws some states in the US havent altered. as of 2000 there were still states that outlaw oral sex. yeah, youre not totally hung up on sex at all we know a shitload more about the US than most US citizens know about any other country. youre currently the dominant force in the world. we (aus) get the news with jim lehrer ffs. could you point me to an australian current affairs show i could tune into on CBS? anyway, my central thesis remains. its a fun joke and those that take it all too seriously are exactly the reason the joke should be played in the first place.

you said we all know, which makes you a smartASS*. furthermore, i'm sure those laws are really being taken seriously. just like germany who give out fines for jay walking, the US could give two shits less. congrats that you know more about the rest of the world, but honestly, not too many people here care about the rest of the world since for certain periods in our history we chose to isolate ourselves. how nicely did that work out. CBS is an american station, yet our cable providers offer other world knews like BBC and EuroNews. but i'm sure you knew that

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Originally posted by Lepanto you said we all know, which makes you a smartASS*.

please tell me the ASS* wasnt a really poor attempt to correct my spelling? you do realise that america spells all kinds of words differently to england and other (ex)colonial countries dont you?

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Originally posted by Lepanto furthermore, i'm sure those laws are really being taken seriously. just like germany who give out fines for jay walking, the US could give two shits less.

whether the laws are enforced or not is beside the point. the fact that such ridiculous laws are still part of the statute(s) is indicative of the cultural obsession with sex imo.

how bout the recent scandal over grand theft auto? nobody gave two shits that the game revolved around violence and crime. though as soon as someone can DL a mod to unlock sex in the game, everyone's crying out in horror. ffs!

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Originally posted by Lepanto not too many people here care about the rest of the world since for certain periods in our history we chose to isolate ourselves.

exactly.

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Originally posted by Lepanto CBS is an american station, yet our cable providers offer other world knews like BBC and EuroNews. but i'm sure you knew that

of course. we even have cable all the way over here!! omg!!!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I would love to see churches and synagouges and mosques burn. I love atheism.. its the best

Nailed that one.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN please tell me the ASS* wasnt a really poor attempt to correct my spelling? you do realise that america spells all kinds of words differently to england and other (ex)colonial countries dont you? whether the laws are enforced or not is beside the point. the fact that such ridiculous laws are still part of the statute(s) is indicative of the cultural obsession with sex imo. how bout the recent scandal over grand theft auto? nobody gave two shits that the game revolved around violence and crime. though as soon as someone can DL a mod to unlock sex in the game, everyone's crying out in horror. ffs! exactly. of course. we even have cable all the way over here!! omg!!!

arse is a British slang you nitwit. furthemore, ofcourse it matters if people don't follow or enforce the law, it means it's pointless. no one cares enough to actually go and change it cuz it would require them putting in effort over something utter retarded. and you mentioning something like that isn't too smart either. yes people are crying in horror. 10 year old kids watching porn is perfectly normal. damn those morals! no one gave two shits that it was violent? are you braindead?! congrats you have cable...

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