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So me and my mate are gonna form this DJ group to some degree...like Deep Dish/Tidy Boys/Trophy Twins etc. Just wondering what your guys thoughts on this would be. We have great chemistry together(wow that sounds gay ) and he is a better mixer than I am and I pick better tunes than he can. We should be testing this out mid-week at a friends club infront of 100 ppl. Question I have is how should we split it. If Im just pickin records all night Ill get fucking drunk off my head and wont be able to pay attention. So Im thinking of doing records/effects including maybe a crazy spin at Ableton Live..Live lol and he will mix/eq.

Sound about right? right?

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 So me and my mate are gonna form this DJ group to some degree...like Deep Dish/Tidy Boys/Trophy Twins etc. Just wondering what your guys thoughts on this would be. We have great chemistry together(wow that sounds gay ) and he is a better mixer than I am and I pick better tunes than he can. We should be testing this out mid-week at a friends club infront of 100 ppl. Question I have is how should we split it. If Im just pickin records all night Ill get fucking drunk off my head and wont be able to pay attention. So Im thinking of doing records/effects including maybe a crazy spin at Ableton Live..Live lol and he will mix/eq. Sound about right? right?

You should both do a bit of both.. maybe you do more of one than the other.. but you dont wanna get locked in it like that...

effects and ableton sounds good too.. but share all the responsibilites... rly.

Ive worked with a couple of these: Tidy Boys, Deep dish, Trophy twins, Mark knight& Martijn ten velden, MYNC project and a few others.

A lot of the time they just split the time on the mixer between them and the other one just gets pissed when standing about.
Some of these have 2 mixers with 6 cdjs and 3 turntables all linked up to the same output- and they loop and mix at the same time- each on their own mixer. Creates some mad stuff and is very effective.

Incorporating ableton and an EFX unit would be pretty cool if the chemistry is there- which IMHO is the most important part.

You could tag team 2 or 3 tracks then the other takes over. Don't do that for the whole set it's maybe better in the last half ( in my opinion ... but I really don't know why ).

Otherwise try and do what Freak suggested that could be wicked.

Me an my friend usually DJ together, at parties etc. Usually we switch every other track. Like I'll mix Track 1 into Track 2, then he'll mix Track 2 into Track 3, etc. etc. It gets to be a pain tho cause just I mean I'll really just work on one transition, then he gets on. And I stand around like an idiot haha (I kinda pretend to be shuffling through records). Also what sucks about our method is sometimes my friend will pick a shitty track. Something that I don't think will work at all. And he'll pull it off. But it will just ruin whatever progression I had going through the set. I think we're gonna try mixing like 4 tracks a piece. Maybe that will work out better. We don't have Ableton or anything so I mean I guess if we did there would be more for each of us to do. Try stuff out. See what works best for you

When I originally started playing out, I played with another guy, and it went great. We'd switch it up all the time, 1 mix, 2 mixes, 3 mixes... whatever we felt like. Sometimes we'd both be using the mixer while one of us was beatmatching/mixing. With good chemistry, it can sound great.

I've never used more than one mixer before. I imagine it would be a blast.

They are two ways I have seen groups DJ. As mentioned before guys like Deep Dish, Angello & Ingrosso, etc... usually do not spin at the same time....I didn't even see Ali in the booth when I was at Space for DD and when he came on Sharam wasn't near the decks. I hear Angello and Ingrosso do it the same way. This is beneficial because you can do two gigs on the same night with the same DJ name and get paid twice. When I was at Nikki Beach and saw Gabriel and Dresden, they actually do thier sets together. One will work a CDJ and the other will bring in effects on Ableton like you were thinking of doing. One person can also manipulate some songs with Ableton if you chops the tracks into their components (like Sasha) which I like alot. I feel you have so much more freedom and creativity when you split responsibility like that. I like the way G&D do it better than two seperate DJs. When I DJ with my friend we usually go track for track unless one person really wants to mix into the song they already put on. There is no right way to do it.....just find the situation with the best "chemistry" haha

Cheers

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Originally posted by FSUares They are two ways I have seen groups DJ. As mentioned before guys like Deep Dish, Angello & Ingrosso, etc... usually do not spin at the same time....I didn't even see Ali in the booth when I was at Space for DD and when he came on Sharam wasn't near the decks. I hear Angello and Ingrosso do it the same way. This is beneficial because you can do two gigs on the same night with the same DJ name and get paid twice. When I was at Nikki Beach and saw Gabriel and Dresden, they actually do thier sets together. One will work a CDJ and the other will bring in effects on Ableton like you were thinking of doing. One person can also manipulate some songs with Ableton if you chops the tracks into their components (like Sasha) which I like alot. I feel you have so much more freedom and creativity when you split responsibility like that. I like the way G&D do it better than two seperate DJs. When I DJ with my friend we usually go track for track unless one person really wants to mix into the song they already put on. There is no right way to do it.....just find the situation with the best "chemistry" haha Cheers

Angello & Ingrosso aren't really considered a group...they are more like bunched together for some reason. They always go 1 DJ first the next one next.

Anyways thanks everyone for the help Ill let you know what we decided were gonna be practicing all the tips tomarrow

Just do wha Kyau vs Albert do..

One guy mix for 2 hours, while the other gets shitfaced and jumps up and down waving his arms about

It was an awesome set ! haha

agnelli and nelson are the same way

robbie nelson does all the work while his partner in crime jumps about until he's dehydrated

Done & Dusted what we did was:

3 hour set:
90 min for me mixing
90 min for him mixing

the other 90 we picked the records did Ableton shit and worked the effects
the person mixing handled just the simple DJ stuff, mixing and eq's etc

Very fun had great response from the 400 ppl that were there. Definitly looking forward to doing it again. Really enjoyed having another person responsible in the booth with me. When I DJ alone you always have that like fuck up scared feeling in the back of your mind....now you know you can just go oh it was his fault lol....no but for real great shit this was. Next time were gonna record it and post but its house music so...

Thanks everyone for the help

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Originally posted by Freak Some of these have 2 mixers with 6 cdjs and 3 turntables all linked up to the same output- and they loop and mix at the same time- each on their own mixer. Creates some mad stuff and is very effective.

Headroom djs (P Skoog, H Larsson, N Ehrlin) plays together from 3 mixers and 6 (or usually 7 decks). That's weird cause think it's very hard (also that was written on their web site). I have one set of them and it's madness. I think no one dj can play too many records in that short time and mix it in logical set. They also created a too many errors in mixing but they maked good work.
Also from groups who plays together and that's not only 'split shit' (one person is playing, second is standing and doing nothing) is e.g. beyer vs liebing (they played on timewarp 2003 - they created also weird stuff that no one dj from 3 decks can beat IMO) or beyer vs lekebusch (on ilovetechno 2003, they played also very weird stuff, many tracks played together or in transitions from one to other).
Also i played with my friend but i've played from pc (mixvibes5) and he played from cdplayers. It was a few times but 'really' only one (in 'underground' - we played house cause my friend have many cds with it and he prefers it, me's playing techno and i played techhouse and house stuff we have recorded that session - it's 85 minutes stuff, there are a bit weird works like playing two tracks both or acapella's in transitions). A few times we played with also one person (he played also from pc from traktor dj studio 1.0) but it was a bit crap cause that third person can't mix without bpm counting (and we must play crap cause that was 'commercial' events).
Think it's good way if two persons are playing. They can do much more than one dj if they're really experienced and they're understading each other - they can create technically monster mixes - one dj (or maybe he's name is 'ben sims' ) can't beat two djs playing both.

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Originally posted by FSUares When I was at Nikki Beach and saw Gabriel and Dresden, they actually do thier sets together. One will work a CDJ and the other will bring in effects on Ableton like you were thinking of doing.

Actually, Josh pretty much just programs the set on Ableton with one track assigned to each channel on a mixer (When I saw them two weeks ago it was a DJM600), and Dave does all the mixing (eq'ing and such) on the mixer.

Dave used the CDJ once, and it was only because Josh was on a bathroom break...

Watching them play on the 10th also really made me wonder how much of their shows are preprogrammed, because it looked like Josh basically just got the next track open in Ableton while Dave did all the "work," and it didn't look like Josh was spending enough time on the laptop to be setting the markers/warping tracks on the fly... But dude, I could TOTALLY be wrong, and their set, IMO was still sick...

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Originally posted by Basstard agnelli and nelson are the same way robbie nelson does all the work while his partner in crime jumps about until he's dehydrated

lol when agnelli and nelson were out here last both spent equal time behind the decks and chris agnelli's mixing impressed me more :P

it can be fun because it's up to both of u to get some progression going and u learn to trust each other...

i think it works best if u've both spent time together in the studio and know each other socially... as long as ur not trying to do something like purposelly pick tracks that hard to mix out of to make urself look good by comparisson...

when gabriel and dresden were out here last dave dresden spent the entire time behind the mixer and josh gabriel cued tracks in ableton...

above and beyond when they're here, usually only two of them come here at a time and spend equal time behind the decks... last time they were out i looked over and saw paavo siljamaaki dancing and tony mcguinness standing closely behind him both with their hands in the air appreciating the vibe they'd just created in the room

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Originally posted by PlayerLac Me an my friend usually DJ together, at parties etc. Usually we switch every other track. Like I'll mix Track 1 into Track 2, then he'll mix Track 2 into Track 3, etc. etc. It gets to be a pain tho cause just I mean I'll really just work on one transition, then he gets on. And I stand around like an idiot haha (I kinda pretend to be shuffling through records).

don't do that!!! stand behind ur friend with ur hands in the air during a massive break down, work the crowd together and appreciate the vibe in the room u've both built up together... can be a great bonding moment between two good friends imo...

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