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Posted by Tenshi on Dec-13-2005 17:56:

WAV downloads at beatport available

yay, finally! too bad though that the music costs 1 dollar more when downloaded :/


Posted by Spirit5 on Dec-13-2005 18:15:

And the files are huge! and downloading them takes forever...I'm downloading a song to see if the sound quality is really all that different from a 320 Kbps MP3. Now that i've downloaded hundreds of MP3s since I got my CDJs, now they offer WAV downloads...


Posted by Spirit5 on Dec-13-2005 18:33:

Ok I downloaded one of my current favorites "Snowflakes (Allende Remix)" by Kris O'Neil and I do hear a slight difference with the WAV vs. 320 Kbps MP3, but it's not that huge of a difference really. I can hear some of the highs being a little clearer but besides that, don't think it's worth always downloading tunes on WAV, only my most favorites would be worth the extra dollar and the extra hard drive space they take up...


Posted by keithos27 on Dec-13-2005 18:47:

what does a song come out to file size wise... in general like a 6 or 8 min song. probably like 120 mb or something, no?


Posted by Spirit5 on Dec-13-2005 18:57:

Well the song I downloaded came out to 83.1 MB, vs. 18.8 for the MP3, that's a huge difference for something that with my ears at least..doesn't sound THAT much different. If you wanted a big collection of WAV files, you should probably invest in some large hard drive space or an external hard drive, like 300 GB, because even though my drives are around 140 GB each, if I had downloaded a bunch of WAV files i'de have hardly any hard drive space left for anything else...


Posted by fitom tiel on Dec-13-2005 18:59:

that's fucked up


Posted by Spirit5 on Dec-13-2005 19:08:

One thing I do notice, which is nice, and i'll have to test it out on my CDJs and PAs later, is that the WAV files do appear to be slightly louder than the MP3s. My biggest issue is that when I play my MP3 CDs of my tunes in my car or on my PAs they don't sound as loud as standard CDs. So i'll test it out later and i'll hear for myself if this is true..


Posted by Pjotr G on Dec-13-2005 19:09:

good idea.

now it really is the equivalent of an audio cd, no compromises.


Posted by THE_Chris on Dec-13-2005 19:10:

Good. Finally the doubters of buying lossless stuff will see the future and use paid download stores.


Posted by Spirit5 on Dec-13-2005 19:21:

But it sucks because I downloaded 200 files from Beatport since July when I bought my CDJs. I really wish they would offer their customers the option of redownloading all the files from MP3 into WAV, but I guess I can use alot of the MP3s I do have as files I can just listen to and mix with on MixMeister for fun (only works with MP3 and WMA anyways) and use WAV files for mixing on CDJs. Just don't want all that $$$ i've spent going to waste....hopefully AudioJelly will be next offering WAV downloads because they have a really nice selection as far as Trance and Prog, and they tend to recieve more new releases and promos than Beatport does...perhaps there is really a difference, you just have to test it out some on different audio systems to tell. I just can't tell on my computer speakers...


Posted by _Ocean_Drive_ on Dec-13-2005 19:50:

WAV vs. FLAC???

192kbps is good enough for me! But 320kbps is ok too!


Posted by knoxy5000 on Dec-13-2005 20:50:

quote:
Originally posted by keithos27
what does a song come out to file size wise... in general like a 6 or 8 min song. probably like 120 mb or something, no?


320 kbps is around 4 : 1 ratio of original wave file size, so for example a 100mb wave file would only be 25mb in 320kbps mp3


Posted by Protege on Dec-13-2005 21:52:

The extra dollar and 4 times the file size is not worth it imo. 320 mp3 is more than good enough quality for me.


Posted by Psygnosis on Dec-14-2005 01:01:

Why the hell would you want them to offer it in WAVE files, it's the same shit! Just get your bloody MP3 and you can use Winamp to convert it to WAVE or even use a Audio Editing program like Sound Forge.

Man, this is unbelievable.

And first off, there is no quality difference when converted. Don't bloody download a file that big.


Posted by PersianMafia on Dec-14-2005 01:11:

About fucking time. I wouldn't spend a dime on an MP3. It's like buying a counterfit Gucci wallet at retail price. Vinyl/CD/Wave are the only options. It's not only the sound quality compromise - it's the principal. Don't know why labels ever decided to release MP3s. You're buying something that has been converted, compressed, raped and toyed with. I guess it works for the economical home listener - but I wouldn't touch MP3 buying with a 6-foot pole. Not that I DJ or have an audiophile soundsystem.


Posted by PersianMafia on Dec-14-2005 01:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Psygnosis
Why the hell would you want them to offer it in WAVE files, it's the same shit! Just get your bloody MP3 and you can use Winamp to convert it to WAVE or even use a Audio Editing program like Sound Forge.

Man, this is unbelievable.

And first off, there is no quality difference when converted. Don't bloody download a file that big.



Posted by Psygnosis on Dec-14-2005 01:25:

So your actually telling me you can tell the difference hah.

First off, if you rip from a vinyl, either 192 or 320 will sound like its original source. Just in a club 320 will produce cleaner sounds and bass.

so if you get a original WAVE file and convert it to 320 Mp3, you can tell the difference?


Posted by jdat on Dec-14-2005 01:45:

The price markeup while possibly being justifiable ( everyone has their own opinion I'm sure ) is certainly problematic from a cost point of view.
Beatport increased prices several months ago or so and that was already a bit annoying.

The price with the wav releases will be nearly as costly when purchasing a complete release as if you had purchased the vinyl record.


Clearly they are taking the p*ss


Posted by tubby on Dec-14-2005 01:58:

to combat piracy they offer reasonably priced mp3's. now people have started using them the price is put up to more than to purchase a cd single release. and the labels will cry poor when piracy increases again.


Posted by Sunsnail on Dec-14-2005 03:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Psygnosis
Why the hell would you want them to offer it in WAVE files, it's the same shit! Just get your bloody MP3 and you can use Winamp to convert it to WAVE or even use a Audio Editing program like Sound Forge.

Man, this is unbelievable.

And first off, there is no quality difference when converted. Don't bloody download a file that big.


lol


Posted by Ground_0 on Dec-14-2005 06:49:

Wow most of you have this completely wrong.

What happens when you compress a wav to mp3?

It takes sounds out that the human ear can't hear. This way compressing it. Even a 4:1 ratio on a 320kbit mp3 is still going to be compressed. On your home speakers, sure you wont notice much of a difference, but, play on an audiophile or club system and you will notice a difference.
320 is not bad, but you still lose sounds that you don't hear with your ear that drive the speakers to produce the sounds and rumbles and whatever else it is to make it sound great.
It's 1$ extra to DL something 4x the size that most of you are saying you can't hear the difference. This feature is NOT for you people. Its for the ones that can hear a difference, and the dj's that need the highest quality possible.
So save a dollar and don't worry about it. But if you want the best quality available for digital download, that doesn't sound hollow played out, its finally here.

Cheers,
Mike


Posted by Soliman on Dec-14-2005 19:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Psygnosis
Why the hell would you want them to offer it in WAVE files, it's the same shit! Just get your bloody MP3 and you can use Winamp to convert it to WAVE or even use a Audio Editing program like Sound Forge.

Man, this is unbelievable.

And first off, there is no quality difference when converted. Don't bloody download a file that big.



It won't make a diffrence since any programm won't no what has been cut out. It's like you can create something from nothing...


Posted by Soliman on Dec-14-2005 20:01:

*it's like saying


Posted by flavdave on Dec-14-2005 22:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Ground_0
Wow most of you have this completely wrong.

What happens when you compress a wav to mp3?

It takes sounds out that the human ear can't hear. This way compressing it. Even a 4:1 ratio on a 320kbit mp3 is still going to be compressed. On your home speakers, sure you wont notice much of a difference, but, play on an audiophile or club system and you will notice a difference.
320 is not bad, but you still lose sounds that you don't hear with your ear that drive the speakers to produce the sounds and rumbles and whatever else it is to make it sound great.
It's 1$ extra to DL something 4x the size that most of you are saying you can't hear the difference. This feature is NOT for you people. Its for the ones that can hear a difference, and the dj's that need the highest quality possible.
So save a dollar and don't worry about it. But if you want the best quality available for digital download, that doesn't sound hollow played out, its finally here.

Cheers,
Mike


Nice post. The way I see it is if you actually play out in a club then you should spend the extra $1 and get the WAV. If your dreams are to one day have a show on ETN or Party 107 then don't bother getting WAVs.


Posted by Clovis on Dec-14-2005 23:29:

quote:
Originally posted by flavdave
Nice post. The way I see it is if you actually play out in a club then you should spend the extra $1 and get the WAV. If your dreams are to one day have a show on ETN or Party 107 then don't bother getting WAVs.



I have a guest mix with Lord of Bass soon...should I buy wav?


Or just download 128kbps set rips?


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