Judge Clears Way for Border Fence b/w US - Mexico

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Posted by josh4 on Dec-13-2005 20:19:

Judge Clears Way for Border Fence b/w US - Mexico

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Judge Clears Way for Border Fence

By ELLIOT SPAGAT, Associated Press WriterMon Dec 12,10:32 PM ET

A federal judge on Monday lifted the final legal barrier to completing a border fence meant to thwart illegal immigrants in the southwestern corner of the U.S.

The project comprises 14 miles of additional fencing in San Diego. In September, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff waived all laws and legal challenges to building the final 3 1/2-mile leg through coastal wetlands to the Pacific Ocean.

The Sierra Club and other environmental groups had argued that Chertoff lacked the authority to do what he did.

But U.S. District Judge Larry Burns said Congress delegated such authority to Chertoff in June. He noted that the executive branch already had significant jurisdiction over national security and immigration.

Cory Briggs, an attorney representing the environmental groups, said he was undecided whether to appeal.

Litigation has stalled the project since it was approved by Congress in 1996. Last year, the California Coastal Commission refused to grant permits, saying damage to sensitive habitats outweighed security benefits.

In a lawsuit in 2004, the Sierra Club said the project threatened the Tijuana River estuary, home to more than 370 migratory and native birds, six of them endangered.

The proposal calls for adding two fences to an existing barrier made of Navy landing mats. A maintenance road would be built between the primary and secondary fences, along with lights, sensors and cameras.

The 2006 Homeland Security budget includes $35 million to cover most of the work.

The final leg of the fence would cross steep, rugged canyons including "Smuggler's Gulch," a maze of trails once overrun by illegal border crossers. The federal government launched a crackdown in the area in 1994, forcing migrants to cross in more remote areas.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213...HBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

i can't believe they're actually getting this done so quickly. does anyone know the specs of the fence such as height, material?

Posted by InterMilan31 on Dec-13-2005 20:26:

they will still get in

Posted by ali92 on Dec-14-2005 10:20:

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Originally posted by InterMilan31
they will still get in
...and I'd be happy for them to start living a nice life now, after get here...

Posted by Lepanto on Dec-14-2005 12:23:

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Originally posted by InterMilan31
they will still get in

start shooting them

Posted by Moongoose on Dec-14-2005 12:28:

Thats not for keeping people out, thats gonna bew needed to keep them in, once they realize they dont live in such a paradise that they thought they were living in

Youll see in a 100 years time there will be americans running to cuba for a taste of freedom

Posted by donnybrasco on Dec-14-2005 19:24:

"Litigation has stalled the project since it was approved by Congress in 1996. Last year, the California Coastal Commission refused to grant permits, saying damage to sensitive habitats outweighed security benefits."

...but Illegals running through the wetlands won't cause any damage.

There must be a reason they want to close this off so close to SD. And yah, it won't stop them I'd bet either...besides, do we really want to? All that cheap labor. A lot of San Diegans are going to wake up the day the fence is done and wonder where the gardener is, lol.

Posted by Lepanto on Dec-14-2005 20:32:

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Originally posted by Moongoose
Thats not for keeping people out, thats gonna bew needed to keep them in, once they realize they dont live in such a paradise that they thought they were living in

Youll see in a 100 years time there will be americans running to cuba for a taste of freedom

yeah must be it...

quote:
Originally posted by donnybrasco
"Litigation has stalled the project since it was approved by Congress in 1996. Last year, the California Coastal Commission refused to grant permits, saying damage to sensitive habitats outweighed security benefits."

...but Illegals running through the wetlands won't cause any damage.

There must be a reason they want to close this off so close to SD. And yah, it won't stop them I'd bet either...besides, do we really want to? All that cheap labor. A lot of San Diegans are going to wake up the day the fence is done and wonder where the gardener is, lol.

did u see that special on CNN i think, "A day without Mexicans". made me rofl.

Posted by donnybrasco on Dec-14-2005 20:38:

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Originally posted by Lepanto
did u see that special on CNN i think, "A day without Mexicans". made me rofl.

NO! Missed that one...maybe they'll re-run it...I'll check their site for it too, thanks.

Posted by Lepanto on Dec-14-2005 23:06:

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Originally posted by donnybrasco
NO! Missed that one...maybe they'll re-run it...I'll check their site for it too, thanks.

i saw it when i was like half asleep and it was just a bunch of images around the city of like lawn mowers and mail carriages and there was no one there and then...A DAY WITHOUT MEXICANS...title appears and i rofled.

Posted by sensorium on Dec-15-2005 02:00:

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Originally posted by Lepanto
start shooting them

Every time a Mexican is shot Bush gets dumber.

Posted by donnybrasco on Dec-15-2005 03:47:

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Originally posted by Lepanto
i saw it when i was like half asleep and it was just a bunch of images around the city of like lawn mowers and mail carriages and there was no one there and then...A DAY WITHOUT MEXICANS...title appears and i rofled.

I can imagine, lol...I can picture what it would be like trying to eat out too! No cooks, no bus boys, no valet, lol.

Posted by Lepanto on Dec-15-2005 04:40:

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Originally posted by ierxium
Every time a Mexican is shot Bush gets dumber.

I wish.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco
I can imagine, lol...I can picture what it would be like trying to eat out too! No cooks, no bus boys, no valet, lol.

Well here on the East Coast, we'd only lose grocery and fruit/veggie market workers and maybe a little bit of construction. As cooks go you can always find Italians or something to do it, having worked in a few restaraunts myself. Valet are never Mexicans here, at least not where i worked valet lol.

Posted by donnybrasco on Dec-15-2005 05:24:

Most Mexicans I know are hard working family types who just want a better life...they work harder than most Americans! So I can't fault them for coming accross.

I like Bush's plan of giving them what amounts to a work visa...we need them! The economy would fall apart without them.

Posted by ali92 on Dec-15-2005 17:52:

Posted by Lepanto on Dec-15-2005 18:02:

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Originally posted by donnybrasco
Most Mexicans I know are hard working family types who just want a better life...they work harder than most Americans! So I can't fault them for coming accross.

I like Bush's plan of giving them what amounts to a work visa...we need them! The economy would fall apart without them.

I liked that notion too but didn't the mexican government turn that option away?

Posted by donnybrasco on Dec-15-2005 19:34:

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Originally posted by ali92
So you're all for limiting emmigration (the process of leaving your country of citizenship)? Shouldn't one care more about who's coming in rather than who leaves?

I think he was being facetious.

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Originally posted by Lepanto
I liked that notion too but didn't the mexican government turn that option away?

I must honestly say, I think so but I don't know 100%...I've lost track of that bit of news recently. Either way, I thought it was a much better plan than just trying to fence off the border...that's just never going to work, for a lot of reasons.