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Posted by hiram on Dec-15-2005 06:00:

how many of you write down the BPMs on the covers of your vinyl

im learning to spin so im still counting beats for both records and then matching them, i count for 15 sec and then multiply by 4. just wondering how many of your pre-count the BPMs and write them down on the record or the cover for quicker mixing.


Posted by Boomer187 on Dec-15-2005 06:16:

not me.


just practice and it gets simple.


Posted by Vero on Dec-15-2005 07:18:

um, no. dont try and match BPMs, match the beat. dont tap it out or use a counter. Use your ear.


Posted by djthunderbird on Dec-15-2005 07:28:

I was planning to add a sticker to each vinyl with Bpm and key for harmonic mixing purposes but I never got around to it.


Posted by hiram on Dec-15-2005 07:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Vero
um, no. dont try and match BPMs, match the beat. dont tap it out or use a counter. Use your ear.


i do use my ear. i turn off the counter everytime i mix. but sometimes i cant tell which beat is faster and by how much, i guess my ears get tired or somthing. its frustrating


Posted by mzvirbulis on Dec-15-2005 08:06:

but see you really need to know which one is quicker naturaly by practice. you dont need a bpm counter. just practice using your ear every time no matter what. like when it comes to making corrections live in the mix, you dont have the time to be stuffing around with your bpm counter.
i just kept at learning by ear and now it's nothing!

to be honest learn by ear it's the most important if you want to suceed even as an amature dj!

although things like good bpm counters may come in handy in certain situations but that depends on how you use it.


Posted by Zild on Dec-15-2005 08:31:

I do, but I don't have any problems beatmatching. I use it only for set programming.


Posted by Nic on Dec-15-2005 12:36:

i write the bpm and key for key matching.


Posted by FirstBorn on Dec-15-2005 12:45:

quote:
Originally posted by djthunderbird
I was planning to add a sticker to each vinyl with Bpm and key for harmonic mixing purposes but I never got around to it.


I do this for harmonic mixing purposes and it makes a huge difference.


Posted by CosmoKid on Dec-15-2005 14:13:

quote:
Originally posted by FirstBorn
I do this for harmonic mixing purposes and it makes a huge difference.


ditto. you need to know the bpm if you plan on harmonically mixing.


Posted by TranceSpeeder on Dec-15-2005 14:17:

i write down the bpm on the comments section of each mp3 when i buy them, hehe its so easy this way.


Posted by Allied Nations on Dec-15-2005 14:19:

My ear tells me what to mix, and fs2 tells me the bpm.

b0p!


Posted by shades_of_gray on Dec-15-2005 16:41:

Dont really feel the need to, also its annoying when you get a vinyl cover that has black marker pen all over it!


Posted by Spirit5 on Dec-15-2005 17:46:

You should know around what BPM your tracks are though. You don't want to say mix a song that is 130 BPM with something that is 138 or closer to 140, too big of a difference and it clashes. You can usually tell by the style, so technically you don't need a BPM counter, but you do need to know around what BPM your tracks are. A good DJ needs to know this. I don't use vinly anymore but I've been into this music for so long that I can tell by listening to the songs what BPM of certain tracks is around and what tracks mix in better than others. I do write down the BPM of my tracks though, esp now since I have MixMeister and CDJs and MixMeister calculates all the BPM of each track, so you just have round to find the BPM, because it is very exact and when your mixing on CDJs or TTs it's not going to be exact. Deep, progressive tunes are usually 127 to 134 BPM, after that is the more epic variety, from around 135 to 142. Past that is the harder and techier stuff. You just have to know your tunes really...


Posted by Jeremy H on Dec-15-2005 21:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
I do, but I don't have any problems beatmatching. I use it only for set programming.

+1

The labeling has nothing to do with the actual beatmatching...
A trained ear is faster and more accurate than anything.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Dec-15-2005 21:56:

nope.


Posted by kadomony on Dec-17-2005 04:12:

ya, key and bpm always. i write it on cds and on a removable white sticker on the vinyl @ the 12oclock position when the 1st beat comes in.


Posted by Tranc3 on Dec-17-2005 05:12:

No, because I don't match by numbers, I match by sounds.

And writing down the bpm for categorization purposes is a lame excuse if I've ever heard one - whatever happened to just knowing the record? I have well over a thousand tracks and I have each one memorized.


Posted by Nic on Dec-17-2005 07:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Tranc3
No, because I don't match by numbers, I match by sounds.

And writing down the bpm for categorization purposes is a lame excuse if I've ever heard one - whatever happened to just knowing the record? I have well over a thousand tracks and I have each one memorized.


How are you supposed to mix in key without knowing the bpm of tracks?


Posted by Trogdor on Dec-17-2005 12:17:

I do, sometimes. Most of the time, I never get around to it. But, it does help with organization.


Posted by seven.dj on Dec-17-2005 15:26:

I don't do it, but I could definitely see why you should do both BPM listing as well as frequency listing.

You need to know the pitch of the song to harmonically mix.

You need to know the BPM so you know that if you are raising the BPM, you will in fact change the pitch of the song.

Does anyone know the formula offhand as to how much BPM change raises how much in pitch???


Posted by SpecRadio on Dec-17-2005 18:22:

The BPM is not what you mix by!

I've had mixes in traktor 3 where one is 138.9 and one is 139.4 and they're matched perfectly.


Posted by Rockabye on Dec-17-2005 19:12:

quote:
Originally posted by seven.dj


Does anyone know the formula offhand as to how much BPM change raises how much in pitch???



you can calcute it because +6 pitch is +6% and this you can calcute from the bpm...


Posted by Rockabye on Dec-17-2005 19:12:

quote:
Originally posted by SpecRadio
The BPM is not what you mix by!

I've had mixes in traktor 3 where one is 138.9 and one is 139.4 and they're matched perfectly.



I don't get what you wanna tell us?


Posted by Rockabye on Dec-17-2005 19:14:

Writing the BPM and Key on your Vinyls / CDs / mp3s is necessary to make good harmonic mixes.

Of course you can save all the facts in your mind but I think this will get hard if you have a case of some hundred tracks


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