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-- Are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
You may dislike smokers, or maybe just their smoke, but how about this: Fuck off and mind your own business you self-righteous fucking assholes. I'm drawing the line, and the buck stops at my front door. Stay the fuck out. God I love tolerance.
http://washingtontimes.com/function...15-112826-9119r
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| The Washington Times www.washingtontimes.com Smoking foes try to stop parents from lighting up By Tarron Lively THE WASHINGTON TIMES Published December 16, 2005 Anti-smoking activists who are driving cigarettes from public places across the country are now targeting private homes -- especially those with children. Their efforts so far have contributed to regulations in three states -- Maine, Oklahoma and Vermont -- forbidding foster parents from smoking around children. Parental smoking also has become a critical point in some child-custody cases, including ones in Virginia and Maryland. In a highly publicized Virginia case, a judge barred Caroline County resident Tamara Silvius from smoking around her children as a condition for child visitation. Mrs. Silvius, a waitress at a truck stop in Doswell, Va., calls herself "highly disappointed" with the court's ruling. "I'm an adult. Who is anybody to tell me I can't smoke or drink?" she said in an interview yesterday. An appeals court upheld the ruling, but not before one judge raised questions about the extent to which a court should become involved in parental rights and whether certain behavior is harmful or simply not in a child's best interest. Mrs. Silvius says she complied with the decision by altering her smoking habits. "My children know not to come around when I'm on the front porch with my morning coffee, tending to my cows or out in my garden, because I'm having a cigarette," she said. Still, she thinks this was not a matter for the courts because it was not proven that she posed a risk to her children's health. "If a child suffers from asthma or some sort of problem, the courts shouldn't even have to be told to [step in]," Mrs. Silvius said. "That should be the parent's better judgment. But my kids aren't sick. If there's no health issue, it isn't the court's place to say someone can't do something that's perfectly legal, just because the other spouse doesn't want them to." The smoking-at-home issue also sparked debate about whether such rulings will lead courts to become involved in such matters as parents' making poor TV programming choices for their children. The nonprofit group Action on Smoking and Health is among the most outspoken on stopping parents from smoking around children. "Children are the most vulnerable and the most defenseless victims of tobacco smoke," Executive Director John F. Banzhaf III said. "They should be entitled to the same protection as adults." Mr. Banzhaf, also a professor of public interest law at George Washington University, said most complaints are made by nonsmoking ex-spouses, although some are filed by neighbors, relatives and physicians. Maryland's Department of Human Resources, which provides adoption services, considers smoking a factor in deciding who will receive a child, but guidelines do not specifically address the issue. "It's discussed and presented and looked at by caseworkers," said Judith Eveland, a program manager for the agency. However, Miss Eveland said the agency would welcome regulations on restricting smoking in the homes of foster children. "We certainly would be supportive [given] all the health issues associated with smoking," she said. Adele L. Abrams, an attorney in Prince George's County specializing in child custody, divorce and family law, said smoking has been a factor in several custody disputes in recent years. "Restraints might be put on visitation if one parent insists upon smoking or bringing in a girlfriend or boyfriend who smokes," said Ms. Abrams, whose practice serves the District and Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Howard and Montgomery counties. She said children have a "more protective status" and that laws should protect children from secondhand smoke just as they are protected from parents and guardians who drink excessively or use drugs. "Frankly, if it was a factor before the divorce, it's going to be a factor after the divorce," she said, "particularly if the child has asthma or some other respiratory disease." Mindy Good, spokeswoman for the D.C. Child and Family Services Agency, said foster parents are not prohibited from smoking, but prospective ones are screened to fit a child's best interests. "People who smoke are not barred from becoming foster parents," she said. "However, we are careful about children who have certain medical conditions. We would not, for example, place a child who has asthma in the home of a smoking foster parent. We are careful about those issues." |
Though I hate the sight of mothers/fathers who smoke right in front of their children, the article is a bit too extreme. I heard that new regulations were going to come into effect here in NYC, where smoking in "public" places, like bars, clubs and cafes is illegal, even in the smoking sections, there were also going to ban smoking inside apartments without proper ventilation or something like that. Having windows and smoking out of them isn't a part of proper ventilation btw. lol
Serves you right for reading the ass-wipe garbage otherwise known as the Washington Times.
Sorry but I loathe that paper.
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd Serves you right for reading the ass-wipe garbage otherwise known as the Washington Times. Sorry but I loathe that paper. |
For those here that argue that it's their right to smoke where-ever they please:
Don't you think about the people around you who may not have a choice to be near you or not? Take for example children, or even in a nightclub. I never went clubbing or whatnot, but I can say right now, that as a non-smoker & an electronic dance music lover, that I would be disappointed if I went to see Paul van Dyk or someone else similar at a venue and the entire place smelled like smoke & I couldn't breathe nothing else besides others' passive/second-hand smoke. It's a health hazzard for those around the smoker (which is the difference between drinking & smoking, as the product only goes in) and really isn't fair to us EDMers, as at concert venues in stadiums where most other music events take place, I don't believe smoking is allowed there, so why say it's OK at clubs?
Proper ventilation should be required to smoke inside anywhere, so the smoke doesn't stay trapped inside. Open windows usually aren't enough as smoke rises. Probably celing vents that circulate the air out would be better.
Toronto and other cities are doing right by banning smoking completely in bars, clubs, etc. It only makes sense, as that's how it is in most public places already...
The Washington Times is owned and operated by the ever-amusing Reverend Sun Yung Moon, leader of the famed Moonie Cult.
He is a major financier of right wing causes.
As for the anti-smoking nazis, I have to agree with Shakka on this one.
They recently passed a smoking ban in Austin bars, and I am against it on principle, though the cleaner air is nice.
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| Originally posted by ali92 For those here that argue that it's their right to smoke where-ever they please: |
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| Originally posted by Shakka This thread is not about those who think they haev a righ to smoke "wherever they please." The article is referencing people who want to intrude into people's own private houses to tell them where they can and can't smoke. I don't like a smoky bar/restaurant any more than the next person, but in the confines of your own home, that's a completely different argument. |
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| Originally posted by ali92 Well, what about when there are children in the home? Shouldn't there be a law restricting smoking locations in homes where there are children? |
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| Originally posted by ali92 Well, what about when there are children in the home? Shouldn't there be a law restricting smoking locations in homes where there are children? |
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| Originally posted by Shakka That depends on whether or not you want the government telling you how to raise your kids. I prefer to maintain as much control over my life as possible. |
Heaerye, hearye!
I have an annoucment!
Parents with kids shall from henceforth be prohibited to possess within their homes:
1) fast food items from chains such as McDonals, Burger King, and Wendys.
2) Carbonated drinks high in sugar such as Pepis, Coke, Dr. Pepper.
3) Breakfeast cerals with high sugar content.
4) Bacon
5) Lard
6) A tazer, pepper spray, or BB gun.
7) A cat or dog (kids can be allergic!)
8) Common sense
Thank you, that will be all.
(have any of you heard of a kid dying from second handsmoke?)
Yoepus actually I have heard of kids having major problems because of second hand smoke. Though it's not as bad as actually smoking but i had friends who had severe asthma and other lung problems due to their parents smoking.
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