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Posted by s3nate on Dec-17-2005 20:06:

Chemical Breaks

Does anyone still produce this stuff?

The only 2 chemical break songs I know are by the Crystal Method.


Posted by s3nate on Dec-18-2005 07:40:

Anyone?


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Dec-18-2005 12:58:

What the hell is chemical breaks?


Posted by Abhay on Dec-18-2005 14:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
What the hell is chemical breaks?


shit like Fat BOys Slim, and Chemical Brothers. Chemical Brothers sort of did it, but it's really defined more like shit like Fat Boys Slim.

another name for it is "big beat"

Big beat usually has distorted, compressed breakbeats at moderate tempos, acidic synthesizer lines and heavy jazz loops. Usually has punkish-style vocals and driven by intense, distorted basslines, with conventional pop and techno structures. Big Beat is also characterised by a strong psychedelic influence stemming from the influence of The Beatles, Led Zeppelin's breakbeats, and the Acid House musical movement.




Posted by basd on Dec-18-2005 14:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Abhay
shit like Fat BOys Slim, and Chemical Brothers. Chemical Brothers sort of did it, but it's really defined more like shit like Fat Boys Slim.

another name for it is "big beat"

Big beat usually has distorted, compressed breakbeats at moderate tempos, acidic synthesizer lines and heavy jazz loops. Usually has punkish-style vocals and driven by intense, distorted basslines, with conventional pop and techno structures. Big Beat is also characterised by a strong psychedelic influence stemming from the influence of The Beatles, Led Zeppelin's breakbeats, and the Acid House musical movement.




At least quote Wikipedia when you're trying to show off your knowledge

And it's spelled Fatboy Slim.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Dec-18-2005 14:57:

Ehh, so it's just another nonexistent genre then...

Big Beat more or less died out a few years ago. There's still plenty of excellent breakbeat around though.


Posted by Psy-T on Dec-18-2005 15:55:

big beat kinda merged with ebm...


Posted by Geoff on Dec-18-2005 21:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
big beat kinda merged with ebm...


wtf is ebm?


Posted by basd on Dec-18-2005 21:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Geoff
wtf is ebm?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_body_music


Posted by Mebot on Dec-19-2005 03:47:

I don't know any new breaks but check out DJ Icey & Rabbit in the Moon.. or do a search for Florida Breaks.


Posted by Ishkur on Dec-19-2005 04:58:

god, the ignorance is astounding.

Chemical Breaks was a short-lived music genre that, as far as I can tell, existed almost exclusively in the western United States from about 94-97, during the height of the US outdoor rave boom (after that point, mostly everything--music, artists, and ravers--moved indoors to clubs and government-sanctioned dance halls). Its labels and artists were mostly from Los Angeles and San Francisco, and the music was popular at huge outdoor desert gatherings, alongside a similar US invention at the time, Desert Trance (ie: Deepsky, Joshua Ryan, Christopher Lawrence, Electric Skychurch), a kind of goa/anthem trance hybrid that would've been successful if the US trance scene hadn't been completely flattened by the anthemic euro juggernaught in 99, but I digress.

Chemical breaks was so named because the music actually did sound chemical-like....in that it had squelching acid and chirping, sharp synthlines, with heavy reverb and staccato-like effects all over them. That's its signature style: the skip-skip-skippity-sk-sk-sk-skip-skipness of it. Very harsh and synthetic, unlike typical breaks of the time which were sounding heavy and bombastic. Hence the name: chemical breaks....though the name was probably more fitting of the style of the biggest artist to champion the genre: The Crystal Method. Although I personally feel that Uberzone - Bots is the quintessential chemical breaks track. The Bassbin Twins were another big artist. Moonshine released a whole bunch of comps back in the day, the most famous of which is John Kelley's "Funky Desert Breaks" which intended to capture the essence of the music of those legendary desert parties.

Big Beat doesn't actually sound anything like chemical breaks. It is foremost distinguishable by the (duh) Big Beat on the one. The Big, slamming bassdrum at the beginning of every measure. It also had instances of guitars, macho samples, and heavy, aggressive instrumentation, which is why it attracted a lot of hooligans and the frat crowd, who suddenly got into this new "electronica" thing. Artists of this style were Fatboyslim, Moby, and the Prodigy's Fat of the Land LP ("Smack My Bitch Up" is a perfect example of Big Beat behavior).

The Chemical Brothers do not make chemical breaks, and never did. Their first album is Big Beat through and through.

When Big Beat took off in England, quite a bit of chemical breaks producers, artists and DJs noticed the way the winds were blowing and jumped ship. Florida breaks actually has closer ties to electro and Miami bass than chemical breaks, but you can hear some chemical breaks influences here and there, if you listen closely enough. Icey is not a good example, though. Quite frankly, I'm not sure what a good example would be.

EBM is Electronic Body Music, an industrial genre that practically dates back to 1982, and features loud, spitting, buzzing synths. Think of the noize electricity makes or a noisy humm of a voltage box, and you get what sound it was aiming for (ie: Electronic, or Electric, Body Music...like the kind of music that electricutes the body and has you wiggling on the floor to it). It also has angry lyrics about 5 year plans and broken systems and defiance of authority. Popular artists are Front 242 and Frontline Assembly. Despite being still made, to some extent, EBM had its heyday in the late 80s, where it evolved into Belgian New Beat, Rave, and Trance (no, don't dispute this) and kind of slowly tapered off during the 90s. It has nothing to do with big beat or chemical breaks, and never did.


Posted by Abhay on Dec-19-2005 05:23:

quote:
Originally posted by basd
At least quote Wikipedia when you're trying to show off your knowledge

And it's spelled Fatboy Slim.


u know,

it just occured to me how stupid i am. I didn't even copy and paste. I actually typed everything out...

see, this is what happens when u go to a university that's analy retentive about plagiarusm.


Posted by s3nate on Dec-19-2005 05:47:

Ish, I love you.


Posted by Psy-T on Dec-19-2005 07:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
EBM......has nothing to do with big beat or chemical breaks, and never did.


then i suppose you havent heard enough recent ebm (including the artists you've mentioned)


Posted by DJ Shibby on Dec-19-2005 09:10:

TCM are God.


Posted by DJ Mission on Dec-19-2005 09:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Abhay
shit like Fat BOys Slim, and Chemical Brothers. Chemical Brothers sort of did it, but it's really defined more like shit like Fat Boys Slim.

another name for it is "big beat"

Big beat usually has distorted, compressed breakbeats at moderate tempos, acidic synthesizer lines and heavy jazz loops. Usually has punkish-style vocals and driven by intense, distorted basslines, with conventional pop and techno structures. Big Beat is also characterised by a strong psychedelic influence stemming from the influence of The Beatles, Led Zeppelin's breakbeats, and the Acid House musical movement.


I accord with seeking new depths of knowledge, I was wondering how the works of Aphex Twin fits into this. I mean I reccongize the guys a fucking zoo of electronic genres, but is there a style that is sort of a blanket term for his music? It doesn't seem exceptable to call any electronic music "Experimental" anymore.

for the sake of relavence to this post, what would tracks like Cornish acid off the Richard D. James LP fall under? Acid Breaks? Sometimes I feel that EDM has spun more out of control than modern Christianity and all it's bastard denominations...


Posted by Ishkur on Dec-19-2005 09:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
then i suppose you havent heard enough recent ebm (including the artists you've mentioned)


That's not ebm.


Posted by Abhay on Dec-19-2005 09:53:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mission
I accord with seeking new depths of knowledge, I was wondering how the works of Aphex Twin fits into this. I mean I reccongize the guys a fucking zoo of electronic genres, but is there a style that is sort of a blanket term for his music? It doesn't seem exceptable to call any electronic music "Experimental" anymore.

for the sake of relavence to this post, what would tracks like Cornish acid off the Richard D. James LP fall under? Acid Breaks? Sometimes I feel that EDM has spun more out of control than modern Christianity and all it's bastard denominations...


no idea man.....

i just typed of wikipedia...


Posted by Psy-T on Dec-19-2005 19:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
That's not ebm.


contradicting your own words directly does wonders to add to your point.


Posted by Psy-T on Dec-19-2005 19:21:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mission
I accord with seeking new depths of knowledge, I was wondering how the works of Aphex Twin fits into this. I mean I reccongize the guys a fucking zoo of electronic genres, but is there a style that is sort of a blanket term for his music? It doesn't seem exceptable to call any electronic music "Experimental" anymore.


people like to refer to aphex twin's music as idm (intelligent dance music)


Posted by Ishkur on Dec-19-2005 22:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
contradicting your own words directly does wonders to add to your point.


Show me where I did this.


Posted by Psy-T on Dec-19-2005 22:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
Show me where I did this.


Ishkur: EBM is Electronic Body Music......Popular artists are Front 242 and Frontline Assembly.
Psy-T: then i suppose you havent heard enough recent ebm (including the artists you've mentioned)
Ishkur: That's not ebm.


Posted by meneedit on Dec-20-2005 01:20:

all these arguments and hardly any recommendations,

oh and Ishkur... you didnt get back to me


Posted by Ishkur on Dec-20-2005 01:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
Ishkur: EBM is Electronic Body Music......Popular artists are Front 242 and Frontline Assembly.
Psy-T: then i suppose you havent heard enough recent ebm (including the artists you've mentioned)
Ishkur: That's not ebm.


An artist isn't allowed to change genres? (Frontline Assembly are Delirium, btw. You know, Silence? ...yeah)

I specifically mention that their heyday is the late 80s.

meneedit: get back to you about what?


Posted by meneedit on Dec-20-2005 02:00:

I sent u a PM


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