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Are We a Constant Dream

I posted this a while ago on another forum, when I originally wrote it it was 2am so just keep it in mind when you come across it.

Note: This thread is really only for people who are into philosophy and or dreaming.

Is life all a dream? Is there any difference between what we call waking life and sleep?

If you've seen the movie waking life, you'll probably understand where I got this 'idea'. Is life a dream? Are we living or are we dead? If you're into lucid dreaming you'll understand this better, but if you're not or have no clue what it is, I'll summarize it; Lucid dreaming is concious dreaming. You're sleeping but conciously aware that you're dreaming. What does that mean? You get to play god, in a way. You can do whatever you want in your dream because you know you are dreaming. So, how can we tell the difference between real waking life and our dreams? Can we or can't we.

When you're awake, you believe you're in real life surrounded by real people. You have choice and free will. But that also exists in dreams. While dreaming (I'm not talking lucid here) what you see, hear, feel, touch, everything you can process you believe is real. You can walk down the road and see a giant man throwing donuts at people, and you'd believe its real, that is untill you wake up. But do you really wake up? There are such things called false awakenings, which is when you're dreaming you 'wake up'. You may go pour some cereal and orange juice and begin to eat, only to realize you're still dreaming. Usually the dreamer realizes he/she is dreaming and becomes lucid. If there is not to mcuh excitement and you stay asleep, you'll say, begin to fly and have sex with whomever you want. Or you can simply wake up for real. But how do we know any of it is real?

To get to the main point, they say (I'm not sure if it's been 'tested') or not, that when you die there is 6-12 mins of brain activity even after everything shuts down. To steal directly from the movie Waking Life, that's alot of time. Think about this though. You can wake up in the morning and go check the mail. You bring it in and throw it on the table. You lay down in your bed and fall back asleep and it's 9:06am. You enter back into a dream (if you understand how REM works you'll know how it's possible), then you wake up. You check the clock and it's only 9:10am. Within those 4 mins you've had a dream which seems to have been hours. Now, considering you do believe that we enter an endless dream when we die, or at least untill our brain dies out, you're in a dream forever. Maybe we're all dead already? Maybe I'm dead and this whole site is nothing more then a dream. Maybe none of it exists. Maybe I did die as a kid when I got hit by a car, and this is nothing but a dream. Is there any true way to find out? Since dreams are so realistic, lucid or not, how can we know for sure? Simple things like attempting to fly may help (you can fly in lucid dreams no problem), but are we awake or not? Who knows, really.

To sum things up, I highly reccommend you rent the movie 'Waking Life' from where ever if you're into philosophy, you'd love it and wouldn't regret watching it, guaranteed.

It's 2am, and I've really poorly written this up, so it may seem like gibberish to you, or you may simply think it's a stupid concept, but ask yourself this - Am I dreaming?

I have also heard this philosophy, Life is a DREAM and you really WAKEUP when you DIE!!!!

All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves.

- Bill Hicks

posts don't count in the chillout room.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} posts don't count in the chillout room.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} posts don't count in the chillout room.

i lol'd

Ironically, if you had ever taken a philosophy class in your life you probably wouldn't have been stupid enough to "come up" with your idea, aka take your philosophy cues from a movie, copy them, and pretend they're your own original brainfart.

Re: Are We a Constant Dream

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Originally posted by likittysplit Note: This thread is really only for people who are into philosophy and or dreaming.

or drunked people?


Honestly, I always think of theses questions when I'm stoned or drunked

But it was worth reading.

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Originally posted by Radagast Ironically, if you had ever taken a philosophy class in your life you probably wouldn't have been stupid enough to "come up" with your idea, aka take your philosophy cues from a movie, copy them, and pretend they're your own original brainfart.

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Originally posted by Radagast Ironically, if you had ever taken a philosophy class in your life you probably wouldn't have been stupid enough to "come up" with your idea, aka take your philosophy cues from a movie, copy them, and pretend they're your own original brainfart.

I think it's more of presenting these ideas and thoughts to others rather than him saying they're strictly his own ideas otherwise he would not have mentioned the movie. There's nothing wrong with presenting an idea/theory and then placing your own opinion on the subject.

How do you know we are not in the matrix right now O_O

Or mabye we are in a coma right now...

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Originally posted by tranceDJ I think it's more of presenting these ideas and thoughts to others rather than him saying they're strictly his own ideas otherwise he would not have mentioned the movie. There's nothing wrong with presenting an idea/theory and then placing your own opinion on the subject.

Exactly, but some people are just to STUPID....to accept the fact!!!

Or are just to closed minded to understand where im coming from, therefore should restrict themselves from posting what they think cause it only makes them look like a moron.

Im sure you know what I mean.


And as for taking a philosophy class, I never did....but I there are such things as BOOKS and some of us do have Brains and use them!!!!

You dont need to take a class to be interested in a subject and look further into it.

Besides the fact, that this person read wrongly into my post...which I would expect.

We are the dream of a divine creature.

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Originally posted by Radagast Ironically, if you had ever taken a philosophy class in your life you probably wouldn't have been stupid enough to "come up" with your idea, aka take your philosophy cues from a movie, copy them, and pretend they're your own original brainfart.

Looks like you got your concept of IRONY all wrong, besides you read wrong.....I got this IDEA from the movie I watched I didnt COME UP with theory all I wanted to know what other peoples thoughts on this were!?!?

So next time do a double take before you go off ranting!!!



Thank You an HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!

the matrix has you!

I'm so high right now.





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Originally posted by stren i lol'd

+1

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Originally posted by Morpehus Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream, Neo? How would you know the difference between the dreamworld and the real world?

i use to lucid dream but i started to get really bad sleep paralysis and it freaked the shit out of me

First locate the core of the dream. Then build a probe and send it in to see what you find... Settlers of Kataan?

mmmmz interesting read.
I've had a couple of dreams, where I knew it was a dream. but still it was so real, but then again surreal. allmost if I could feel the real deal.

1 time I woke up. because i had work. but I fell back to sleep, but it was so weird I wanted to continue the dream I woke up from. and it worked it just continued. never saw anything like that.

but why would we be a dream? if you say we are a dream because we are dead, wouldn't that other life (when you weren't dead) be another dream too? and why would someone (or some form/or energy) allows us to dream? isn't that a useless storage of energy/power?

On the one hand you distinguish between "dreams" and "waking life" (which I would interpret to mean "consciousness") in your post, on the other had you suggest that we cannot distinguish between our "dreams" and "waking life". Which is it? If dreams and waking life are - for all intents and purposes - indistinguishable, then doesn't that render the question of whether or not we're actually dreaming right now completely meaningless, seeing as they amount to the same thing? If they are distinguishable, then on what grounds could you possibly contend that the illusion of "waking life" is actually a "dream"? Wouldn't there be some incongruities between the two that would allow us to discern which it is that we're actually experiencing? If we're only experiencing a dream right now, then what differences are there between our "dreaming world" and the "real world"? What can the "real world" possibly refer to, other than the world in which we currently find ourselves engaged?

"We have abolished the real world: what world is left? The apparent world perhaps? ... But no! With the real world we have also abolished the apparent world!" - Friedrich Neitzsche, Twilight of the Idols.

Hahahah

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Originally posted by Renegade Wouldn't there be some incongruities between the two that would allow us to discern which it is that we're actually experiencing?

Isn't the fundamental characterstic of a dream that you do not question incongruities?

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Originally posted by Subey Isn't the fundamental characterstic of a dream that you do not question incongruities?

So if I were to begin questioning incongruities right now, then that would constitute incontrovertable proof that I am not actually "dreaming" at the moment?

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Originally posted by Renegade So if I were to begin questioning incongruities right now, then that would constitute incontrovertable proof that I am not actually "dreaming" at the moment?

I experience two distinct dream awareness states.

Lucid dreaming (where I am aware of incongruities and as a result I evaluate my state as "I must be dreaming" (roughly 5% of my dreams) and

standard dreaming (where I am not aware of incogruities and as a result would evaluate my state as "awake", where I just take everything at face value)

I am still dreaming regardless of the awareness.

meh.. whatever.... whatever this "reality" is that i'm in right now, i love it and i hope i never "wake up."


if i woke up right now and my past was all just a dream, i think i'd kill myself on myspace

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