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that not everyone sees the same things as you do??

In other words, I know I see myself in the mirror......but is that what everyone else sees??

I believe we do, but to an extent.....what I mean is ok let's say you see a red object and you ask a friend what color is that and they say red, but is it the same tone of RED you're seeing??


Hmmmmmmm, I dont know if alot of people will understand what im trying to get at.....but hopefully a few will!!!!

I know im weird, oh well what can I do !?!

it's called perspective. some people will have the same ones, and some people will have differing ones.

No.

wouldn't it be more like perception and not perspective.

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Originally posted by likittysplit that not everyone sees the same things as you do?? In other words, I know I see myself in the mirror......but is that what everyone else sees?? I believe we do, but to an extent.....what I mean is ok let's say you see a red object and you ask a friend what color is that and they say red, but is it the same tone of RED you're seeing?? Hmmmmmmm, I dont know if alot of people will understand what im trying to get at.....but hopefully a few will!!!! I know im weird, oh well what can I do !?!

yes i have thought about that. It might be true; we call things what they are cause of a common "agreement"

I am weird in that way too

vampires don't see a reflection...

also think of this, you may see green, but your friend sees blue..

but, his word for blue is green. and there is no way to verify this because we cant get into his brain

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Originally posted by Floorfiller vampires don't see a reflection...

that what you think

dogs can't see colors...

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Originally posted by likittysplit that not everyone sees the same things as you do??

Through their eyes?

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In other words, I know I see myself in the mirror......but is that what everyone else sees??

No. For example, perhaps your vision is 20/20 and another's is blurred. You both would not see the same thing.

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I believe we do, but to an extent.....what I mean is ok let's say you see a red object and you ask a friend what color is that and they say red, but is it the same tone of RED you're seeing??

Considering that it is the same object you are both looking at, with the same pigment, it should be interpreted as the same color by both sets of eyes. Unless there is some sort of minor variation in the way your eyes view light in relation to your friend's. I don't see why that can't be possible, as colorblindness is a complete skewing of the normal working of the eye, I don't see why a minor version couldn't exist. Also, if something contains structural color, it may well change shades of red when viewed from different angles, meaning your friend might have indeed seen a different shade of red, though it be the same object you looked at.

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also think of this, you may see green, but your friend sees blue.. but, his word for blue is green. and there is no way to verify this because we cant get into his brain

Then one of you is wrong. The way to verify which one of you is correct would be to test the surface pigment of the object being viewed and/or wavelength of the light that is being reflected from it. If the pigment/wavelength is one that is known to reflect or produce the color blue as seen by the human eye, then your friend is correct and you are wrong. If the pigment/wavelength is one that reflects or produces the color green, you are right and your friend would be wrong. Unless the object contains structural color, and might possibly change color when viewed at different angles.



In conclusion, you're not weird, just ignorant.

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Originally posted by Radagast Through their eyes? No. For example, perhaps your vision is 20/20 and another's is blurred. You both would not see the same thing. It should be, considering that it is the same object you are both looking at, with the same pigment, therefore should be interpreted as the same color by both sets of eyes. Unless there is some sort of minor variation in the way your eyes view light in relation to your friend's. I don't see why that can't be possible, as colorblindness is a complete skewing of the normal working of the eye, I don't see why a minor version couldn't exist. Then one of you is wrong. The way to verify which one of you is correct would be to test the surface pigment of the object being viewed. If the pigment is one that is known to produce the color blue, then your friend is correct and you are wrong. If the pigment is one that produces the color green, you are right and your friend would be wrong. Unless the object contains structural color, and therefore changes color at different angles.

You have covered the sensory part of the equation, but there is still the perception part of it.

regardless of pigment, or anything regarding the object, lightwaves are reflected off an object, some are absorbed, some reflected back out. The eye takes these waves and focuses them on your retina. Here your rods and cones are bleached by the light waves, there are three types of cones which give us our color perception, each reacting to diferent colors. Once these are bleached the cone creates an eletrical impulse that is conducted up to combine with other signals in that area. eventually a summed impulse is sent down the optic nerve.

why did I explain this when I know you probably know this? Just the mere fact that objects reflections all end up as an electrical impulse in the optic nerve. everything is reduced to that and is then interpretted by the brain. The brain does have a real active role in vision, infact about 70% - 80% of our visual field comes from old visual information. That means the visual cortex sends a signal back to be reinterpretted.

So it is very well possible that our perception of a color is in fact different than others however this is not testable. if a person sees 'blue' and calls it blue, and another person has been told that what they see as 'red' is actually blue, they will call it blue and it will in fact become blue. This is untestable because ...well, try to test it


I forget what I was getting at, but I think it had to do with where this misperception occurs, you posit it is at the level of the eye, but I say at the level of the brain. yea thats it.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 wouldn't it be more like perception and not perspective.

Exactly. As far seeing different colors, that is not perception. It just means your eyes are f*cked up. The human body is designed to function properly. If you are seeing different colors then you should consult an optometrist.

I once read about dogs (and perhaps other animals) that were able to see paranormal stuff (like ghosts) that humans can't 'see' but 'experience' (some sort of eerie feeling you get). Anyway, there was this dog who kept staring at a corner in some house for like an hour or so. But the owner of the dog saw nothing (there wasn't a plant or anything, just an empty corner). Peculiar he

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Originally posted by mellow_head I once read about dogs (and perhaps other animals) that were able to see paranormal stuff (like ghosts) that humans can't 'see' but 'experience' (some sort of eerie feeling you get). Anyway, there was this dog who kept staring at a corner in some house for like an hour or so. But the owner of the dog saw nothing (there wasn't a plant or anything, just an empty corner). Peculiar he

Yup and they also say babies can see paranormal stuff as well....when my little brother was about 1 year old he would always point to towards the closet, and when my son was 2 years old and we would go to bed the lights would be off and he would just laugh and giggle for no reason...mind you it was completely dark in the room!!!

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Originally posted by Boomer187 regardless of pigment, or anything regarding the object, lightwaves are reflected off an object, some are absorbed, some reflected back out. The eye takes these waves and focuses them on your retina. Here your rods and cones are bleached by the light waves, there are three types of cones which give us our color perception, each reacting to diferent colors. Once these are bleached the cone creates an eletrical impulse that is conducted up to combine with other signals in that area. eventually a summed impulse is sent down the optic nerve. why did I explain this when I know you probably know this? Just the mere fact that objects reflections all end up as an electrical impulse in the optic nerve. everything is reduced to that and is then interpretted by the brain. The brain does have a real active role in vision, infact about 70% - 80% of our visual field comes from old visual information. That means the visual cortex sends a signal back to be reinterpretted.

Yes, color is the measure of the wavelength of light. Certain wavelengths go through all the stuff you said and are viewed as the corresponding color by most people.

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So it is very well possible that our perception of a color is in fact different than others however this is not testable. if a person sees 'blue' and calls it blue, and another person has been told that what they see as 'red' is actually blue, they will call it blue and it will in fact become blue. This is untestable because ...well, try to test it

Okay. But the wavelength remains the same no matter who is seeing it, and wavelength of light is measurable. And certain wavelengths produce certain colors in the visible spectrum of light.

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I forget what I was getting at, but I think it had to do with where this misperception occurs, you posit it is at the level of the eye, but I say at the level of the brain. yea thats it.

I look at the definition of eye, and what do I see? "An organ that detects light". What is color to us? Various wavelengths of light. You're saying that the eye detects light, and the brain translates the wavelength of that light into a corresponding color. You're probably right. Either way, my points remain the same.

The world is a scary place. It's not just paranormal stuff, how about creatures like Bigfoot, lake monsters (Loch Ness, Ogopogo, Champ, etc.), El Chupacabra, Mothman, Mokele-Mbembe, Mongolian Death Worm, Thunderbird, etc. (I can go all night long about this shit )

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Originally posted by Radagast Either way, my points remain the same.

yea I got to the end of my long ass post and came ot the same conclusion, but i ddin't wanna waste all that typing .

i see things differently when i eat drugs.

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Originally posted by l�cid i see things differently when i eat drugs.

VERY GOOD FUCKING POINT!!!!

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Originally posted by l�cid i see things differently when i eat drugs.

brilliant!

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Originally posted by Boomer187 wouldn't it be more like perception and not perspective.

pwned!

Everyone sees the whole of this entire reality differently on every level.

It is a literal impossibility to accurately convey a thought or idea to another person exactly as you see it; especially with the limits and constraints of language and the fact that our brains aren't very good at picking up data from the environment.

Sonar is superior to vision, of which we only see red through purple... certain insects can even see ultraviolet light, and many animals can see in the dark. Even cats and dogs can hear and smell better than us humans. Our sense of feeling can barely differentiate between hot and cold (try it, run hot water and stick your hand in.. you'll think it's freezing cold if its hot enough), and we don't have fur or hairs to feel sensitive touch. And don't even get me started on our sense of taste. Imagine if you got a dog high... with their hightened sense of taste, the munchies for them must be the best experience in the universe. LOL

So yeah, us humans got the short end of the stick.

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