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i got an extra $150 on Christmas day, so should I spend the dough on an audiophile 24/96 or an emu 0404 with the proteus x?

Why does everyone with a question about speakers/soundcards to buy think that their question is unique enough to warrant its own thread?

There have got to be about a thousand threads about the M-Audio card in particular. The Proteus X isn't even designed for the same purpose as the Audiophile.

There are links in the FAQ and aside from that, your best resource is going to be to read reviews and do your own research, rather than asking people to take their time to feed the information to you.

Please do not ask this question.

Yes suh! Please forgive me.I am sorry for posting a question on this forum, and aggravating you. I will never ask YOU to take time out of your busy schedule to feed me information. So, once again, I am truly, truly sorry. Thanks

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Originally posted by DigiNut Why does everyone with a question about speakers/soundcards to buy think that their question is unique enough to warrant its own thread? There have got to be about a thousand threads about the M-Audio card in particular. The Proteus X isn't even designed for the same purpose as the Audiophile. There are links in the FAQ and aside from that, your best resource is going to be to read reviews and do your own research, rather than asking people to take their time to feed the information to you. Please do not ask this question.

So which one should he buy?

I'm sorry, that was uncalled for, it just seems like I've been seeing another one of these threads every day for the past week, and we really shouldn't be when the stickies are there.

neither, get 20 crates of budwizer you have move fun with it

jokes aside....from my experience with 0404 you should avoid like the plague....one of the hardest audio cards to configure and get working......made by creative too.

0404 is a disguised soundblaster audigy 2.......pretty box but lousey drivers........stay well away.

audiophile.....excellent ASIO sound card....thumbs up !!

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Originally posted by Bedlam-UK 0404 is a disguised soundblaster audigy 2..

This is patently incorrect. I'm not sure who started this myth but it seems to be loosely based on the fact that Emu joined with Creative and marketed this product under the "Creative Professional" brand name. Nevertheless, the Emu cards have nothing whatsoever to do with Creative's cards and the Emu 0404 and 1010 cards have virtually nothing in common with the Audigy cards aside from the word "Creative".

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Originally posted by DigiNut I'm sorry, that was uncalled for, it just seems like I've been seeing another one of these threads every day for the past week, and we really shouldn't be when the stickies are there.

I fully appreciate what you mean, just seemed you were a little harsh on the guy!

The whole site needs a re-vamp! Could do with references to hardware in a seperate area rather than the use of stickies in my opinion! Any post then should be ignored if the topic is in the reference area, members would get the message sooner or later!!!

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Originally posted by DigiNut Nevertheless, the Emu cards have nothing whatsoever to do with Creative's cards and the Emu 0404 and 1010 cards have virtually nothing in common with the Audigy cards aside from the word "Creative".

I totally agree. Except for poorly written drivers in some cases

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Originally posted by Storyteller I totally agree. Except for poorly written drivers in some cases

Yes, the original drivers were terrible. The current drivers are pretty much OK (I should know, I use them).

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Originally posted by DigiNut This is patently incorrect. I'm not sure who started this myth but it seems to be loosely based on the fact that Emu joined with Creative and marketed this product under the "Creative Professional" brand name. Nevertheless, the Emu cards have nothing whatsoever to do with Creative's cards and the Emu 0404 and 1010 cards have virtually nothing in common with the Audigy cards aside from the word "Creative".

No, YOU are wrong. Have you actually seen one these 0404 cards and looked at the chips on it ???

If you have then you will see the same audio chip used on the audigy 2 (branded by creative) along with the EMU DSP chip.

Also, if you look more deeply into the driver inf file, you will find it is almost identical to the audigy 2 driver inf file, apart from the name and description sections which are EMU instead of Creative.

I know the two companies are closely related but the cards are more closley related. I alos know the two cards use the same chips and drivers because I have installed both on a machine I setup and both cards are identified as an Audigy 2.

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Originally posted by Bedlam-UK No, YOU are wrong. Have you actually seen one these 0404 cards and looked at the chips on it ???

Yes, and being an electrical engineer, I think I'd know better than you how to identify them (unless you are also an EE).

Even if ALL the chips and circuits were the same, that still does not make it the same card. For example, a single PLC or DSP could be used for billions of different purposes.

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Also, if you look more deeply into the driver inf file, you will find it is almost identical to the audigy 2 driver inf file, apart from the name and description sections which are EMU instead of Creative.

Many driver INFs look almost identical - the fact is, there isn't really much to an INF. It's the driver itself that contains all the code.

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I know the two companies are closely related but the cards are more closley related. I alos know the two cards use the same chips and drivers because I have installed both on a machine I setup and both cards are identified as an Audigy 2.

That is nothing more than a glitch that Emu has clarified a dozen times in their user manual and even stuck "READ THIS FIRST" pieces of paper in the packaging to instruct users NOT to allow Windows to install the Audigy drivers, because it will crash if you try to do that.

This is a direct result of the INF issue (Windows thinks it already has a driver) and won't occur if you don't already have an Audigy installed. In other words, it won't be "identified" as an Audigy 2 if you don't install the Audigy 2 drivers before installing the 0404.

You are incorrect - the Emu cards and the Creative (Audigy) cards have virtually nothing in common.

I don't know the answer to this question, but dude, Diginut, no one is forcing you to respond to these threads, or even be on this forum. You and I both know that 75% of the questions asked on here are either about hardware or complete n00b "how do i strt mkaing mad trance!!1" questions. This is a help forum. Stupid questions don't warrant verbal humilation, and since so many of the threads posted on here are by n00bs (who never read your very well-made stickies) I would suggest simply not responding to them rather than taking down their posters. If you don't like answering n00b questions I'd suggest sending a demo to AP. I'm on there and there are -never- repeat questions.

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Originally posted by armanivespucci I don't know the answer to this question, but dude, Diginut, no one is forcing you to respond to these threads, or even be on this forum. You and I both know that 75% of the questions asked on here are either about hardware or complete n00b "how do i strt mkaing mad trance!!1" questions. This is a help forum. Stupid questions don't warrant verbal humilation, and since so many of the threads posted on here are by n00bs (who never read your very well-made stickies) I would suggest simply not responding to them rather than taking down their posters. If you don't like answering n00b questions I'd suggest sending a demo to AP. I'm on there and there are -never- repeat questions.

I apologized earlier for the comment, there's no need to dedicate another page of this thread to debating whether or not it should have been posted.

I personally will never buy a creative/Ensoniq/EMU card again. About 6 years ago they sold the E-MU APS as a top of the line DAW card. The drivers were always buggy and they never really fixed the bugs. I ended up finding out that it used the same chipset and drivers as the crap Audigy. In fact, a lot of people ended up running Audigy cards with the emu drivers. So I wouldn't be suprised if they are still pulling the same stunts with newer cards these days.

I never understand why sound cards are debated so much. I personally use an Audigy card and it works perfectly.

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Originally posted by DigiNut [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE]Yes, and being an electrical engineer, I think I'd know better than you how to identify them (unless you are also an EE).

I don't know why I would need to be an Electrical Engineer to read the branding on micro chip ??

I ain't going to get into a flame war here either. I know what I know and you know what you know.....end of discussion.

Thanks for all the comments. I looked around the web and at the comments you've all made, and I decided to go with the Audiophile because I plan on recording acoustic guitars, and vocals, and I trust that the 24/96 will handle recording better than the 0404. Thanks again.

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Originally posted by Bedlam-UK I don't know why I would need to be an Electrical Engineer to read the branding on micro chip ??

Christ man, the branding on the chips doesn't tell you anything about what the board does. The same 4 silicon chips can be used for millions of different applications. Hell, like I said earlier, the same ONE silicon chip can be used for that many, depending on what the chip is (and DSP definitely qualifies for that category).

no, but the drivers tell me creative have had their grubby hands on it, and everything about the 0404 smells of creative. The drivers, like I say are almost byte for byte as the Audigy 2. Doesn't take much thinking to see that the two cards are related.

just my experience with the EMU 0404......I can't say the same for the Audiophile as I've had it in my machine for 4 years now and it's been rock solid ever since.

Creative own Emu from what I can remember. Might explain a lot.

R.

there is no right answer for every setup, that's why these threads crop up repeatedly. personally i'd suggest the m-audio delta 44 if you can get it

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Originally posted by Bedlam-UK The drivers, like I say are almost byte for byte as the Audigy 2. Doesn't take much thinking to see that the two cards are related.

The INF files are similar perhaps, but INF files are not drivers and that does not make the two cards related. For starters, the Emu drivers are about 5 times larger than the Audigy drivers.

Yes, there is no doubt about it, Creative has "had their hands on it" to some extent, but it's still an Emu product and it is not an Audigy or any kind of derivative product.

I think their biggest mistake was putting the Creative label on it - that's what started all these rumours in the first place.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I'm sorry, that was uncalled for, it just seems like I've been seeing another one of these threads every day for the past week, and we really shouldn't be when the stickies are there.

when u sit in a classroom, and u point the finger in the air, asking the teacher a question, the teacher doesnt look at you with a strange look, and says "its all in the book dear, why dont u have a read"

it just doesnt work that way, if people want information, they more often than not, ASK, for the specific information..

the same rule of human behaviour applies on this very forum as well..

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Originally posted by DigiNut I think their biggest mistake was putting the Creative label on it - that's what started all these rumours in the first place.[/COLOR][/FONT]

yeah, you are right there....the 0404 would have probably been a much better product if creative had not manufactured it (or developed the drivers for it)

creative put their label on it cause it's a deriative or sub-class of one of their own products.

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