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The state of trance in Melbourne.....

I think most ppl on this forum still enjoy trance in some shape or form even tho alot of us enjoy different genres now to (*looks at soups* ) but the state of the scene in melbourne right now is pretty critical.

As alot of you know Altitude who have long been a big supporter of trance have decided to move away from it and go strictly house which to their defence they had do to given the numbers that have been at trance nights and the numbers out and about for house.

Venues simply dont want it and the broader scene refuses to support it.

Today my girlfriend (vitamin v) started getting fliers out to stores for obsession and to my shock she was told by a few "if it's trance we dont want them!".

We now have a real problem.

Melbourne now has no regular trance night and it will be a while before we could look at being monthly with obsession.

Melbourne is fortunate enough to have alot of really passionate ppl who work hard to further the scene here but im worried we are just not doing enough or we are not doing it right.

There will always be new nights popping up and pre-existing nights exploring new venues but these are quick fixes that will eventually go down the same path as the nights they have superseded imho.

We need to start looking at why nights aren't working and why punters (or ourselves)arent going to them.

I have introduced alot of ppl to trance (and edm in general)in the time i have been in the scene and am yet to find ppl who dont love it once they are shown it; its just getting them there to begin with.

The risk we now run is that before we know it there will be no trance club nights in Melbourne at all. Big events 2 or 3 times a year, a big name tour maybe once and that is about it.

Are you happy with this as a possible outcome? Are you happy to simply download sets of the net and go out twice a year or would you like to be able to go out and have a big night any week you want?

No doubt this thread will start some debate but maybe that is what we need because the trance scene in Melbourne is seriously on the ropes.

Hopefully this will not become a big argument because I really do believe we need to have a big discussion and get the opinions of everyone in the scene in order to make positive changes and get Melbourne back on track.

Espescially the opinions of those of here who are "jaded" because there is obviously something you used to like about the trance scene that you dont now and it would be great to find out what it is/was and why not now?

What do you think could help things?
What do you think is going wrong?
What do you want or go looking for in a night out?
How is it that a genre so big globally (in the edm scene i mean) is doing so poorly in a city as brilliant as Melbourne?




Your thoughts....

Re: The state of trance in Melbourne.....

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Originally posted by batemanscott Espescially the opinions of those of here who are "jaded" because there is obviously something you used to like about the trance scene that you dont now and it would be great to find out what it is/was and why not now?

i cant speak for all, but for me its basically the music and i guess to a lesser extent (but should not be discounted), the vibe. with the vibe thing its not a tangible that you can recreate so it does make it very difficult. i respect all the hard work and effort that goes to these events but simply for me, the music/scene doesnt strike a chord as it once did. so yeh try to spread the gospel to those are who willing to take trance on board cos like you said discovering trance was one of my cherished moments. but sadly now, i just simply dont see myself reigniting the passion that once was.

unless there's finger fucking.

You've got nothing to complain about, stfu

Re: Re: The state of trance in Melbourne.....

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Originally posted by jizza unless there's finger fucking.

i see this quickly becomming the next "big joke"

...kgo someone make captioned pics with owls in them or something

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Originally posted by echosystm You've got nothing to complain about, stfu

ah crap ur from adelaide...... sorry lol

I think alot of this whilst written regarding melbourne applies to u guys to.

Scott have you ever thought that maybe this is a worldwide issue, not just happening in melbourne. Some internationals have swayed and rarely play trance nowdays aswell.

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Originally posted by narcism Some internationals have swayed and rarely play trance nowdays aswell.

Yeah i know, i commented just after marco v and MIKE how rare it is to hear typical uplifitng anymore from the big guys overseas.

I myself haven't enjoyed much melodic stuff for ages, but they still play a style of trance to full clubs week in week out.

You know, i've only actually heard a trance song at a club once, and it was that adagio shit by tiesto. Is real trance fun? I want to experience it one day

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Originally posted by batemanscott but they still play a style of trance to full clubs week in week out.

Then you have to think, is it the style they are playing that gets punters in the door, or is it their name

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Originally posted by narcism Then you have to think, is it the style they are playing that gets punters in the door, or is it their name

Thats a really good point jolz, but are they all really that much better musically then what we have locally or is it simply the novelty of the name do u think?

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Originally posted by batemanscott is it simply the novelty of the name do u think?

Its not a novelty, its someone whom you have been following for years and they finally hit our shores. (in some cases it is a bit of a novelty, why does tiesto have so many fans)

Another example if someone plays a darren tate track out im like fuck yea, but if it were darren playing his own track thats a major FUCK YEA moment

Re: The state of trance in Melbourne.....

In June of 04 teh Bates asked a burning question - How can we improve trance in Melbourne?

Was there really any need for improvement? Considering the following comment from teh s0ups in Aug of 2004 in thread: whats the trance scene like in melbourne?

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Originally posted by 00soups00 its a healthy scene with main inflences leaning towards progressive house, and melodic trance with the typical sub cultures of hardhouse/hard trance and techno...

Now, in Dec05 - teh bates is asking another big burning question!

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Originally posted by batemanscott We now have a real problem.

Though that really ain't a question, he has a point.

conclusion: i really need to do some work.

Re: Re: The state of trance in Melbourne.....

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK conclusion: i really need to do some work.

lol! only u would remember that thread to dig it up!

This is a tough one, and I'm so sad it really is like this cos trance used to be so powerful for so many people...


What do you think could help things?
Despite how passionate and hardworking local crews are in putting nights on (Unify/5am etc), maybe the big guns need to help out- Future Entertainment etc- a huge promoter who can help advertise and draw in crowds, make it a place to be seen in...

What do you think is going wrong?
ASOT; the music; DJ's thinking/feeling obligated to play the 'latest and greatest' formualic trance shit of today; too many new nights starting and not attracting a big crowd and vibe from the 'test' (ie opening night)

What do you want or go looking for in a night out?
In trance- music that moves me and is beautiful, along with pretty lights and lasers! I think it would be good for a superclub atmosphere to get in dancers/pretty girls promoting something or other! (But hey, I'm being influenced by movies etc here where there's definitely vibe, I don't know if this really exists!)

How is it that a genre so big globally (in the edm scene i mean) is doing so poorly in a city as brilliant as Melbourne?
Cos we don't have our own international! We need just one Phil K/Infusion etc trance equivalent we can proudly call our own and support all the way; we need just one OneLove trance equivalent crew that is the 'brand' for Melbourne trance; we need a local production team that remix supurbly that trance DJ's fully support (ie a Dirty South/TV Rock).

All in all though, we just need decent trance music to be made again!! I am seriously struggling with the crap out there at the moment. I can go to a local night and see how good the DJ's are... but they're spinning pretty weak tunes. Until there's some good music, trance will stay crap. We go and see the Ferry's/Tiesto's/G&D's/PVD's as much because they've done some awesome production work in the past and we know we'll get to hear it! (imho, I guess!)

i agree with the vee (<3 bassy_queen)... on the lack of quality music side of things.

unfortunately this problem isn't limited to melbourne, it's global imo.

Re: The state of trance in Melbourne.....

I think Trance is dying all throughout Australia; now Josh has stopped running ANOT and Trancetribe is homeless trance has officially died in Sydney

After we (trancetribe) got kicked out of Suzie Q's because a Handbag House night offered them more money for a weekly night we were unable to find a venue after four months of looking. Every venue would give us that "if it's trance we dont want them!" even though the vibe we had at Suzie Q's was on par with any House night.

"Trance" has become a dirty word; even the boys that run Habit which for the most part of the night is Progressive House have to conceal from the venue owners that they play oldcshool prog trance later in the night. And the amusing thing is whenever the DJs drop a trance bomb the crowd goes nuts and you'll hear some chin stroking muppet say "dude, how good is this electro track!"

It's the Hard Trance and Hard Style scenes that have perpetuated this trashy, gurner, drug fucked stigma that has attached itself like a parasite to the trance scene in Sydney.

fark i hate that type of music

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queen_vee ASOT; the music; DJ's thinking/feeling obligated to play the 'latest and greatest' formualic trance shit of today

this girl (or guy ) is spot on.

House is on the radio. Trance isn't (well not really). And lots of people drink - house is the drinking man's EDM.

Plus I think people are just waiting for the trance big boys to show up and play, rather than yeah, hear local DJs play what's been on ASOT.

It's the same problem in Brisbane... if you like trance and don't like it hard or cheesy, you've got to wait for someone to play Family or a big event. Hell, you can even catch D&B weekly on the radio and have a night of psytrance every month, but nobody is interested in the uplifting stuff. Of course, the problem is slightly worse up here thanks to the sparse population of clubbers relative to Melbourne and Sydney...

How bout groups get together...under one big umbrella...instead of splintering off and running different nights all over the place... but like jizza said... all about the vibe... whi9ch is non existant.

i will post more later.


but we all know this scene (particularly these boards) are littered with bullshit.. Lots of people who are full of it, and people who partake in the backstabbing rubbish of it all, in the name of getting ahead. Im not saying this is the cause of the problems, but it cannot help. We now have to realise that no-one is getting ahead because the trance is now dieing. People here have the talent to get it ahead, but people need to start working as a team instead of individually... Yes, its hard to put your pride aside, and im definately someone who needs to swallow their pride too. But people need to be more courtious to each other... Things like going to a fellow persons night and not even getting talked to by the operator of it is poor form. Little squabbles over differences in opinion = poor form. Other people at our level treating other people as though they're inferior life forms. ALL POOR FORM!!! Before we look at trance in general, i think we partly need to look at ourselves. We are a big chunk of the parties we all put on!!! And we are all pushing for the same, common goal!!!

queen vee..really good post! You make alot of good points.

Soups i agree with alot of what u r saying as well, we are the people running nights/ djing at parties etc and its our obligation to make sure the scene pushes ahead and invites the average clubber; not the average clubbers responsability to find us imo.

as for the jaded bit im sorry but nothing comes remotely close to this

asot top 5 of 02

1 Paul Oakenfold - Southern Sun (DJ Tiesto Remix)
2 Gouryella - Ligaya
3 Solar Stone - Solar Coaster
4 DJ Tiesto - Lethal Industry
5 Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (marco V remix)

and this yrs top 5
01. Above & Beyond vs Andy Moor - Air For Life
02. Armin Van Buuren - Shivers (Alex M.O.R.P.H.'S Red Light Dub)
03. Armin Van Buuren With Gabriel & Dresden - Zocalo
04. Markus Schulz And Departure With Gabriel & Dresden - Without You Near (Gabriel & Dresden Remix)
05. Airbase - Escape

bring back the old skool sound

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Originally posted by narcism asot top 5 of 02 1 Paul Oakenfold - Southern Sun (DJ Tiesto Remix) 2 Gouryella - Ligaya 3 Solar Stone - Solar Coaster 4 DJ Tiesto - Lethal Industry 5 Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (marco V remix)

*cough* ahem *cough*

yeh mangz, promoters getting all narky and turning on each other n shite instead of being supportive of each other... no good can come of it.

amen

tech trance ruined trance.. its fucking hard nrg in disguise.. trust me on this.

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Originally posted by narcism bring back the old skool sound

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Originally posted by DaveBegic amen tech trance ruined trance.. its fucking hard nrg in disguise.. trust me on this.

I dont know dave. imo tech trance was something that needed to happen given how shitty alot of the melodic trance was getting.

If its a whole set of tech-trance it sounds like a cheezy b-grade hard trance set, but if there are just a few tracks amongst the more uplifitng stuff i love it.

I think this is more a matter of musical taste tho rather then anything that has been detrimental to the scene as a whole..

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Originally posted by 00soups00 i will post more later. but we all know this scene (particularly these boards) are littered with bullshit.. Lots of people who are full of it, and people who partake in the backstabbing rubbish of it all, in the name of getting ahead. Im not saying this is the cause of the problems, but it cannot help. We now have to realise that no-one is getting ahead because the trance is now dieing. People here have the talent to get it ahead, but people need to start working as a team instead of individually...

KAAKAKAKAKA how long it take you to realise that man?

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