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Here is a Canadian take on the events of 9/11. It's amazing what comes to light when you ask the simple questions WHY and HOW. If you've heard of Operation Northwoods, you'll know that the American military had planned on sacrificing American civilians to blame Castro of Cuba. This video clip is relatively short, concise and enlightening.

http://tinyurl.com/c9ccm

I really hate BUSH :furious:

I've heard of this and thanks for sharing.

well ok this is pure speculation, but then again could be very true...

There is obviously something screwy, so we could pull out a lot of hypothesis..

I hope you didnt need that clip to start hating Bush

It's not speculation. This has been known for many years for people who keep up with this sort of stuff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood

If you look into that site you'll see an official document explaining the whole thing. If that wasn't good enough for you check this out or google it:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=op...1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

I was refering to the parallel with 9/11 that was speculation..

but thanks for the additionnal links, pretty neat material.. and scary

What the hell did operation Northwood have anything to do with 911? For one it didn't even happen, so why is it relevant to point out such a thing. There are so many things going on globally in all nations and governments that have 'plans' and never go through with it. What people have to understand is that we, a civilian, are just that, a civilian. We don't know 5% of what is going behind the scenes. The media is brainwashing everybody with stupid shit. And what pisses me off most is that everyone is blaming Bush for EVERYTHING. Understand that the president's decisions aren't only his decisions, but the government's many elected officials also.

Its funny to me how they talk about Bush being in a classroom doing nothing. I guarantee the moment there was word of a plane hitting one of the towers he was immediately brought to safety. You think after such an event a president is going to call all media and immediately set up an address to the nation outside of the school he was in? Get real. Another thing--do you think in every plane hi-jacking incident, the president should be immediately notified? Furthermore, do you think every car that is hi-jacked, or school bus, or train the president should be notified? No one had any thoughts of the WTC being ran into. You have to understand that people in all governments, and the head of operations such as the president are people just like us--they make mistakes, but in the 911 case it was not a mistake. 911 was completely unexpected.

For any foreigner of the United States who has negative opinions, you should really rethink them. Your media as well as my country's is all you get your information from. We are one of the leading nation's in this world, not too mention the most populated. Compared to many foreign nations we have so many more people to govern, which allows for more mistakes. I think many people don't take into account how many people and land encompasses the US.

I guarantee that President Bush will go down as one of the greatest president's ever for what has been accomplished thus far and for the better of our well-being. We have NOT had one single attack on our soil since 911. That itself is an accomplishment. There have been so many Al-Quida operatives taken out of power or killed. We are trying to better another's nation, something most Iraqi's WANT, except the media portrays it as something they don't want. More people died in Iraq under Sadam's power than what is going on today. And as far as the troops dying--there are more domestic deaths from traffic or any other incomparible means of death than what has accumulated over the 2+ years in Iraq.

Bush is the prime example of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't understand why he is getting blamed for everything that is going wrong and not for what is going right. That is what is fucked up with this world. So for all the foreign opposition to what the US is accomplishing, you really should be optimistic and try not to wrap yourself up with the negative media portrayals.

I think alot of this stuff has come about since Micheal Moore's Fareinheight 911. I watched it with an open mind but it didn't take into account a few things. The thing that I'm still unsure about is that after the attacks all air traffic was ceased except for a flight full of rag heads, namely Osama's cousins.

But I agree with Steve in

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Originally posted by Steven Hays Its funny to me how they talk about Bush being in a classroom doing nothing. I guarantee the moment there was word of a plane hitting one of the towers he was immediately brought to safety. You think after such an event a president is going to call all media and immediately set up an address to the nation outside of the school he was in? Get real. Another thing--do you think in every plane hi-jacking incident, the president should be immediately notified? Furthermore, do you think every car that is hi-jacked, or school bus, or train the president should be notified?

And...

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Originally posted by Steven Hays We don't know 5% of what is going behind the scenes.

That's exactly right. Just cos we're not privvy to the information doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I also agree with this...

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Originally posted by Steven Hays We are trying to better another's nation, something most Iraqi's WANT, except the media portrays it as something they don't want. More people died in Iraq under Sadam's power than what is going on today.

This is what everyone forgets.


And finally...

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Originally posted by Steven Hays And as far as the troops dying--there are more domestic deaths from traffic or any other incomparible means of death than what has accumulated over the 2+ years in Iraq.

This is the sad part about it all but when you join the military you are warned about the risk and you practically sign you life away. This is what shits me the most about Micheal Moore's Doco. The parents and Micheal Moore are blaming the Government for the fatalities but those guys signed their lives away and knew the risks as I metioned earlier.

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Originally posted by DJ_LG This is the sad part about it all but when you join the military you are warned about the risk and you practically sign you life away. This is what shits me the most about Micheal Moore's Doco. The parents and Micheal Moore are blaming the Government for the fatalities but those guys signed their lives away and knew the risks as I metioned earlier.

I think that the parents' and Moore's point is that those soldiers are dying in vain. The reason why Bush launched the war against Iraq was WOMD but he addmitted there wasn't any. So why are these soldiers dying for? I think this is why the parents of those soldiers are really pissed.

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Originally posted by Steven Hays Another thing--do you think in every plane hi-jacking incident, the president should be immediately notified? Furthermore, do you think every car that is hi-jacked, or school bus, or train the president should be notified? No one had any thoughts of the WTC being ran into. You have to understand that people in all governments, and the head of operations such as the president are people just like us--they make mistakes, but in the 911 case it was not a mistake. 911 was completely unexpected. This is something I don't understand. I allways thought there was some form of communication between the airport and an airplane. the airports has to know which plane can land first. and which one has to stay in the air. I Can't believe nobody noticed something funny going on? Didn't the iraqi's kill the pilots in those airplanes? so who talked to the airport? and why (out 4or5 planes) didn't anyone just say they were being hi-jacked? (it Didn't mather because they were going to be death anyways.) We are one of the leading nation's in this world this sentence troubles me... That's the problem with the USA. 1. they mostly think about themselfs 2.they don't listen to others 3.in the end if the whole world would say YES, America would still say NO... end of discussion![B] More people died in Iraq under Sadam's power than what is going on today. [B]indeed but the number wouldn't go any higher, if they didn't invade IRAK... looking for weapons of mass destruction. and those weapons are still not found.

It's funny how he asks why and then continues without addressing it. fool.

Kaidreas:

They've ceased all efforts of searching for WMD's. It's been its primary objective to efficiently set up an organized government to get Iraq on its feet for once.

I don't get your comment about the US's opposition to every other country's wishes. Please clarify what the US has done in spite of other countries.

And finally you think that the terrorists responsible for hi-jacking the planes were stupid people. At least that's what I gather. They successfully pulled off an attack. It wasn't the airports fault. I hate to break it to you, but the world isn't saved 100% like in the movies. And did you also know that the last plane to crash was not even near its target. Why? Because passengers found out what was going on and did something about it. Most people in that situation would just think that the plane was being hi-jacked. They didn't know they were going to run into a tower in NYC. People wake up with your ignorant comments. NO ONE knew what was going to happen with the planes. The WTC was the last thing on everyone's mind. And one final note, neither you nor I knew what exactly went on in the communication between airplane and airport. You just assume the US fucked up, when you don't even know anything but what was shown on the television...

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Originally posted by Steven Hays What the hell did operation Northwood have anything to do with 911?

Did you even see those links I posted up. It explains it all. The U.S. government was looking to invade Cuba however way possible. To address the relevance between Northwoods and 9/11 I would have to say this is a direct analogy as to what happenend on that fateful day. You look for a pretext to go into war therefore clouding people's judgement by hatred rather than by reason. In fact the equivalent to Northwoods would be the report of the "Project for the New America Century: Rebuilding America's Defenses" written September of 2000. It is supported by key members of the Bush administration. The drafting for the report was headed by military members of the cabinet as well as Bush's younger brother Jeb. It states that America is after global leadership, both militarally and economically. It also states that in order for the U.S. to achieve global domination it has to come up with catastrophic events like Pearl Harbor.

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originally posted by Steven Hays For one it didn't even happen, so why is it relevant to point out such a thing. There are so many things going on globally in all nations and governments that have 'plans' and never go through with it.

If you believe the U.S. is so innocent then you as well as Bush live in a bubble. America lost it's innocence after the Watergate scandal, the Whitewater incident, and tons of other forms of government corruption. If you ever bother to look at the facts then you my friend will find there are tons of holes in the official 9/11 story.

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originally posted by Steven Hays Its funny to me how they talk about Bush being in a classroom doing nothing. I guarantee the moment there was word of a plane hitting one of the towers he was immediately brought to safety. You think after such an event a president is going to call all media and immediately set up an address to the nation outside of the school he was in? Get real. Another thing--do you think in every plane hi-jacking incident, the president should be immediately notified? Furthermore, do you think every car that is hi-jacked, or school bus, or train the president should be notified? No one had any thoughts of the WTC being ran into. You have to understand that people in all governments, and the head of operations such as the president are people just like us--they make mistakes, but in the 911 case it was not a mistake. 911 was completely unexpected.

Lol. Actually the U.S. government had prior knowledge of 9/11 from the French, British, Italians, Russians, Israel, and on and on and on. In addition there were people in the U.S. government preparing to defend against these types of attacks such as 9/11. NORAD was in charge of these preparations. Two years before the attacks NORAD conducted exercises using hijacked airliners as weapons - and one target was the World Trade Center. The U.S. did envision and practiced those very scenarios. They also envisioned planes colliding with the Pentagon five months before the attacks. A good example is what happens when you're flying a plane over restricted government airspace; within five minutes F16's fighter jets are right next to your plane ready to blow it up. Now the World Trade center is one of the most protected airspaces in the world. We have the best military in the world so how is it that we cannot stop 4 planes in 2 hours instead of minutes. That's because NORAD stood down upon Dick Cheney's orders.

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originally posted by Steven Hays I guarantee that President Bush will go down as one of the greatest president's ever for what has been accomplished thus far and for the better of our well-being. We have NOT had one single attack on our soil since 911. That itself is an accomplishment. There have been so many Al-Quida operatives taken out of power or killed. We are trying to better another's nation, something most Iraqi's WANT, except the media portrays it as something they don't want. More people died in Iraq under Sadam's power than what is going on today. And as far as the troops dying--there are more domestic deaths from traffic or any other incomparible means of death than what has accumulated over the 2+ years in Iraq.

We invaded Iraq because the U.S. claimed they had WMD's. Now our military is training the Iraqi army to be a military fighting machine, which is the same army that we were trying to dismantle. Now we're not leaving until we're sure they have that deadly army. Kinda stupid huh. The WMD's were never there and ultimately we were there for other purposes.

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originally posted by Steven Hays Bush is the prime example of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't understand why he is getting blamed for everything that is going wrong and not for what is going right. That is what is fucked up with this world. So for all the foreign opposition to what the US is accomplishing, you really should be optimistic and try not to wrap yourself up with the negative media portrayals.

This is an excuse so there's really nothing to address. Franklin D. Roosevelt was in a worse situation, but managed to handle the job well.

I reckon this thread should be moved to the political section.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 Actually the U.S. government had prior knowledge of 9/11 from the French, British, Italians, Russians, Israel, and on and on and on.

Firstly where is your proof? Secondly having information about a possible attack is one thing, knowing exactly when it would happen is another. I bet they have tons of possible attacks which never happen.

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Originally posted by Dervish Firstly where is your proof? Secondly having information about a possible attack is one thing, knowing exactly when it would happen is another. I bet they have tons of possible attacks which never happen.

+1

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Originally posted by Dervish Firstly where is your proof? Secondly having information about a possible attack is one thing, knowing exactly when it would happen is another. I bet they have tons of possible attacks which never happen.

Pre-9/11 Warnings:
1)Italian Warning
2)Middle East Warning
3)Intelligence Warning
4)French Warning
5)Pre 9/11 Warning
6)British Warning
7)Presidnetial Daily Brief
There's plent more where that came from and if you want I can give the data for the rest of my mini-article as well.

obviously, steven hays loves bush....probably cause he's from texas...go figure.....

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Originally posted by Steven Hays Its funny to me how they talk about Bush being in a classroom doing nothing. I guarantee the moment there was word of a plane hitting one of the towers he was immediately brought to safety. You think after such an event a president is going to call all media and immediately set up an address to the nation outside of the school he was in? Get real. Another thing--do you think in every plane hi-jacking incident, the president should be immediately notified? Furthermore, do you think every car that is hi-jacked, or school bus, or train the president should be notified? No one had any thoughts of the WTC being ran into. You have to understand that people in all governments, and the head of operations such as the president are people just like us--they make mistakes, but in the 911 case it was not a mistake. 911 was completely unexpected. For any foreigner of the United States who has negative opinions, you should really rethink them. Your media as well as my country's is all you get your information from. We are one of the leading nation's in this world, not too mention the most populated. Compared to many foreign nations we have so many more people to govern, which allows for more mistakes. I think many people don't take into account how many people and land encompasses the US. I guarantee that President Bush will go down as one of the greatest president's ever for what has been accomplished thus far and for the better of our well-being. We have NOT had one single attack on our soil since 911. That itself is an accomplishment. There have been so many Al-Quida operatives taken out of power or killed. We are trying to better another's nation, something most Iraqi's WANT, except the media portrays it as something they don't want. More people died in Iraq under Sadam's power than what is going on today. And as far as the troops dying--there are more domestic deaths from traffic or any other incomparible means of death than what has accumulated over the 2+ years in Iraq. Bush is the prime example of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't understand why he is getting blamed for everything that is going wrong and not for what is going right. That is what is fucked up with this world. So for all the foreign opposition to what the US is accomplishing, you really should be optimistic and try not to wrap yourself up with the negative media portrayals.

i agree the media sometimes portrays mostly negative shit, but thats what americans like. second, if an airliner had been hijacked, present, past or future, i would certainly expect the "leader" of our country to address the nation and certainly you would expect the secret service to get him to a safe place. i mean, if there were a nuclear warhead loose somewhere in the country, even on the opposite side of the country, the president would be somewhere where he could continue to lead our country without worrying about possible further attacks on him (since he is a highly probable target). also, remember that clinton attacked countries in africa after it was believed that bin laden was behind the USS Cole bombing..... certainly anyone in the government after clinton would have been aware of his intent to attack the US on all fronts (domestic and foreign). besides, the CIA has had a bin laden task force long before sept. 11th.......

i doubt bush will be accredited with being "one of the best US presidents in history." the fact that we haven't been attacked has little or nothing to do with who our president is. i would hope that after such a tragedy that anyone in power would try to prevent further attacks. besides, you never know, there could be another attack(s) on the way. surprise is your best weapon when fighting a group larger than yourself (since the US is so powerful and al-quaida isn't). lastly, i do agree that iraq has the potential to be a better place than it was under saddam.....however, i think the US could have done more to prepare for the current struggle they are in. still, maybe it is better to have the terrorists over there than here in our country trying to kill us.....but, either way it still sucks. i mean, can't we all just get along?

+1 on this should be moved to the political discussion area......

this video is stupid

I get aggrivated by conspiracy shit like this.

The Cuban crisis was completely different. We KNEW they had warheads and we were almost certain that we would be attacked by them. Its obvious that with this in mind, Cuba must be dealt with immediately and using whatever tactics possible.

On the other hand, the US would NEVER launch a terrorist attack on itself in hopes of gaining support. You know why? Because the US will still get shit done even if the entire world is against them.

This theory is bullshit.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 I get aggrivated by conspiracy shit like this. The Cuban crisis was completely different. We KNEW they had warheads and we were almost certain that we would be attacked by them. Its obvious that with this in mind, Cuba must be dealt with immediately and using whatever tactics possible. On the other hand, the US would NEVER launch a terrorist attack on itself in hopes of gaining support. You know why? Because the US will still get shit done even if the entire world is against them. This theory is bullshit.

ehh lemme fix something on that and say that it wasnt cuba that had the missiles...but everyone knows what i mean.

a few months before 9/11 they changed the chain of command with regards to fighter planes being scrambled during a hijacking...will post article...

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