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Posted by Munchy on Jan-06-2006 21:13:

Definition of a VS track?

Isn't a VS track a mashup of two songs?

Like Eighties Vs. Ghost is actually the vocals of Ghost on the music of Eighties?

Or is it not always necessarily so?

And if you missed out on my Air For Life thread, my question was, what A&B song was mashed up with Halcyon? Or was it basically just a "remix" of Halcyon by A&B?

I'm so confused.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-06-2006 21:52:

What the hell does it matter? There are no rules about labelling tracks. It means two artists had something to do with the track. End of. I'm sorry, but all these utterly pointless about "what is a dub" and so on are a waste of time. Nobody knows- we just figure it out from comparing various dubs or whatever. What does it matter about the exact definition?

Posted by DOOMBOT on Jan-06-2006 21:56:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
What the hell does it matter? There are no rules about labelling tracks. It means two artists had something to do with the track. End of. I'm sorry, but all these utterly pointless about "what is a dub" and so on are a waste of time. Nobody knows- we just figure it out from comparing various dubs or whatever. What does it matter about the exact definition?

Jeeze...

May I ask, since they are a waist of time... why did you do it? o_O

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-06-2006 22:02:

Eh? I didn't collect a huge amount of them and sat down to figure out the common denominator. However, after hearing so many of them in the course of my travels, as a logical being, I did figure out what connected them.

Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Jan-06-2006 22:52:

Posted by Unique2701 on Jan-06-2006 22:56:

oh.. i see where the confusion is coming from.. You see a mash up titled as:

for example: Armin van Buuren f/ Gabriel & Dresden vs Coldplay - Fixing Zocalo

obviously, it's a mash up between the following tracks: Armin van Buuren featuring Gabriel & Dresden - Zocalo, and Coldplay - Fix You

and then you see: Above & Beyond vs Andy Moor - Air For Life..
and you wonder which two songs are being mashed up....

Well, Air for life is NOT a mash up, it's simply a collaboration between Above & Beyond and Andy Moor. There's not really a line to draw when a they use 'x featuring y' or when it's 'x vs y'. Not sure on the last part, correct me if I'm wrong..

Posted by oneeyedwheeler on Jan-06-2006 23:59:

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Originally posted by Unique2701
oh.. i see where the confusion is coming from.. You see a mash up titled as:

for example: Armin van Buuren f/ Gabriel & Dresden vs Coldplay - Fixing Zocalo

obviously, it's a mash up between the following tracks: Armin van Buuren featuring Gabriel & Dresden - Zocalo, and Coldplay - Fix You

and then you see: Above & Beyond vs Andy Moor - Air For Life..
and you wonder which two songs are being mashed up....

Well, Air for life is NOT a mash up, it's simply a collaboration between Above & Beyond and Andy Moor. There's not really a line to draw when a they use 'x featuring y' or when it's 'x vs y'. Not sure on the last part, correct me if I'm wrong..

That is more or less what I was going to say... and you're dead right on the end bit, although I'm not the last word in these things and I could also be wrong, but I agree with you!

As for the following:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
What the hell does it matter? There are no rules about labelling tracks. It means two artists had something to do with the track. End of. I'm sorry, but all these utterly pointless about "what is a dub" and so on are a waste of time. Nobody knows- we just figure it out from comparing various dubs or whatever. What does it matter about the exact definition?

Chill out lad, he was only asking. And people DO know about the definition of a dub so what are you talking about exactly??
The only waste of time is those people who don't bother to contribute to a thread but instead leave posts like "what the hell does it matter..."

And when you said "There are no rules about labelling tracks," you then kind of contradicted yourself immediately by saying "It means two artists had something to do with the track."

If you're not at all bothered then just move on to a different thread that you're interested in, common sense?!

Jeez!

Posted by Grrrrr on Jan-06-2006 23:59:

Posted by oneeyedwheeler on Jan-07-2006 00:05:

HEY, I did a mashup... it was Future Sound of London - Papua New Guinea blended in with Chicane - Saltwater all the way through, about 9 mins worth, sounds really cool if I may say so!!

AND.... I also like to drop in "La La Land" by Green Velvet over the top of "Diving Faces" by Liquid Child in some of my sets, that works really well but has to be the right environment!!

Got a few more actually if I stop for a moment and think of them, should try getting them released really

Posted by oneeyedwheeler on Jan-07-2006 00:08:

Oh yeah meant to say... the first definition is often called a bootleg.

And I remember another bootleg I did... it was Yomanda - Synth and Strings with DJ Jean - The Launch played over the top... Im sure I have more than those though, just been a while since I did any mashing up...

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-07-2006 00:38:

quote:
Originally posted by oneeyedwheeler
Chill out lad, he was only asking. And people DO know about the definition of a dub so what are you talking about exactly??
The only waste of time is those people who don't bother to contribute to a thread but instead leave posts like "what the hell does it matter..."

Trust me- there is no singular definition of "dub" which covers every track labelled a dub. People still mention dub tracks with vocals, or higher frequencies than the original.

quote:

And when you said "There are no rules about labelling tracks," you then kind of contradicted yourself immediately by saying "It means two artists had something to do with the track."

Oh don't be an idiot. A track labelled "Artist X Vs Artist Y" is obviously going to involve both artists in some way. However there is no exact definition. Don't isolate a fucking line of my whole statement and then say "that makes no sense", because it won't, will it? Vs. can mean a mash-up, a remix or a collaboration- I've seen examples of all three. There are no rules as to the exact meaning of this kind of term, which was my point.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-07-2006 02:10:

This is about the 32576th thread about this.

Get a fucking clue.