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Pitch Bending

I heard that when mixing a lot of DJs rub the platter or spin the label to keep the records in time, is this correct? Why would you need to do this when you adjust the pitch with the pitch control.

That is correct and the resons DJs do that is because it's more acurate than moving the pitch slider. Also, you need to do it to determine which direction you need to adjust the tempo, aswell as align the beats.

But its good to try to never touch the platter. A good exercise is beatmatching entirely using the pitch fader.

I don't beatmatch that way because its faster to ride the pitch fader and make corrections manually when you have the channel closed, but when its open it is really great to be able to only use the pitch fader to pitch bend.

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Originally posted by Zild But its good to try to never touch the platter. A good exercise is beatmatching entirely using the pitch fader. I don't beatmatch that way because its faster to ride the pitch fader and make corrections manually when you have the channel closed, but when its open it is really great to be able to only use the pitch fader to pitch bend.

It's also possible though that you wont be able to get back to the exact point you were at before you did the pitch bend, unless that point was zero.

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Originally posted by PoisonJam19 It's also possible though that you wont be able to get back to the exact point you were at before you did the pitch bend, unless that point was zero.

That's why it is called riding the pitch because you ride it back and forth, and it sounds better. And think about it, if you needed to pitch bend then you weren't right on in the first place, and when you're pitch bending you should only have to move the pitch fader a few millimeters in the opposite direction of the slip. It really isn't that difficult.

True, it's not hard, just saying for a beginner it might be.

pitch bending is gods gift to the dj. even for a beginner its not that hard. after a bit of practice you will be able to mix with about 5-10 seconds of beatmatching, and do the rest live without anyone being able to tell (maybe some djs though obviously)

razzi

Re: Pitch Bending

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Originally posted by spacetrip I heard that when mixing a lot of DJs rub the platter or spin the label to keep the records in time, is this correct? Why would you need to do this when you adjust the pitch with the pitch control.

If the two records are a different BPM (beats per minute) lets say 138 and 134, when trying to keep the slower track up to the speed of the faster track, if you rely solely on the pitch control to speed up the 134 track, you have to extend it past its correct point (to make them match) to get to slow record up to speed, and then drop it back to the correct point, meaning back and forth on the pitch slider untill you find 'nirvana'
Much easier to increase the pitch a couple of percent and push the record back to a point where the beats are in sync and try from there, adjusting as needed.
If you know the tempo (BPM) of the two tracks, then you can guess roughly what % you would need to match the two at the same BPM.
In the example above if track 138 was at 0 on the pitch slider, then approx 3% positive would bring the 134 track up to 138 (I say approx) - alternatively -3% on 138 would approx match 134 at 0.

The push on the record is to speed it up, the finger on the platter acts as a brake. So you would push the 134 track and brake the 138 track (only one, depending on what the cue track is).

Hope this helps.

That's the way I do it for now, but I practice using the pitch religioulsy and hope to one day use only that.

I actually learned to beatmatch using only the pitch control and not touching the platter at all. Only recently did I start using the platter and now I pretty much use a combination of the 2.

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Originally posted by davemolina That's the way I do it for now, but I practice using the pitch religioulsy and hope to one day use only that.

if that works for you, cool! but really it is the end result that matters regardless of how you get there.

If you know your tempos are matched, but you drop a record in early or late, it can be advantageous to just give it a little push rather than fuck with the pitch bend. Not good to do it when the record is actually in the mix, however.

I find it not so easy in tech 12s cos of the hard slider. In smooth sliders like the TTX and CDJS much easier.
Is it just me?

What do you mean by hard slider?
The click or is yours rough?
Get some lube!

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Originally posted by DJ_Ikronix If you know your tempos are matched, but you drop a record in early or late, it can be advantageous to just give it a little push rather than fuck with the pitch bend. Not good to do it when the record is actually in the mix, however.

I am new to mixing but remember reading about giving the record a push. So last night I notice track 2 lagging in the beat so I gave it a push and it gave me a horrible sound through the speaker but after that was back in track. Yeah, I'll never do that while track 2 is live again.

i only use the pitchslider... it's the only way i learned.

me + manual correction = trainwreck

i never got it quite right.



tommy, he means that the slider has a lot of resistance/tight (not necessarily rough). the lower end ttx pitch slider feels like a crossfader on a battle mixer. -definately takes some getting used to.

it is useful at clearing the floor!!

Most definately im on a pair of TT 200's which get alot flack due to the "loose" pitch but i love it, makes pitch bending so simple.

I use combination of both, my decks have pitch bend but i never use it, ill either just ride the pitch or make feather light touches to the record. If i make major touches to the platter directly my decks often try to recompensate, but always over compensate. So i just prefer to use the slipmats as intended and make feather light touches to the record. Easy as hell just gotta be really careful on those really light records. Otherwise thats when it all goes wrong

I use the pitch controler for the most, but will usually give a track a nudge if I drop it in slightly off time before I bring the track into the mix. For any correction after that I use the pitch and nothing else.

Most of the DJs I know use the pitch but I know some DJs can get the same result not doing it.

With the pitch it's easier to make a smaller adjustment than you would by hand generally speaking. As your initial match skills get better you will find that touching the platter may be overkill.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by sr126 tommy, he means that the slider has a lot of resistance/tight (not necessarily rough). the lower end ttx pitch slider feels like a crossfader on a battle mixer. -definately takes some getting used to.

exactly
I learned on the ttx so when I play on Techs (me w/o any practice) I'm kindda having a hard time.

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Most definately im on a pair of TT 200's which get alot flack due to the "loose" pitch but i love it, makes pitch bending so simple.

therefore ..I feel the same

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